Let's talk about the games that don't use mysogynistic, transphobic or racist tropes.

[Vibhor]

So "pure happy fun" for women in a power fantasy is... walking around naked? I don't think so. You're right that its pandering, but in both instances, its pandering towards men. Its pandering towards the power fantasy of men with the male avatar, and its pandering towards the sexual fantasy of men with the female avatar.

Please don't use bullshit power fantasy excuses
You don't speak for all females and you certainly don't speak for every male either.

 

[The Lunatic]

Dallas Wyatt in Valkyria Chronicles was pretty bad for this.

Has the trait "Hates men" and loses stat points if you group her up with male characters.

Classy. Never really gets called out on this, it's just regarded as "Acceptable".

Can you imagine if the genders were reversed on this? There would be so much uproar.

 

[endtherapture]

SAINTS ROW!!!! Really, that's the most inclusive game ever. It's not transophobic, it's no sexist, it's not racist.

I was told Saints Row is actually very sexist by a feminist so I don't even know.

 

[Trunkage]

I'm pretty sure 90% of games aren't sexist, transphobic or racist with smost of the rest being unfortunate implications, the only games that falls to any of those categories deliberately are Custer's Revenge and shitty propaganda games.

All I can say is Leisure Suit Larry.

 

[grassgremlin]

So "pure happy fun" for women in a power fantasy is... walking around naked? I don't think so. You're right that its pandering, but in both instances, its pandering towards men. Its pandering towards the power fantasy of men with the male avatar, and its pandering towards the sexual fantasy of men with the female avatar.

Please don't use bullshit power fantasy excuses
You don't speak for all females and you certainly don't speak for every male either.

If I may interject. I think he's kind of right. Sure, some women don't mind it, but I'm pretty sure most would find the idea very unsettling. Think of it as if the role was reversed. Would you be willing to walk around as a half naked man.

I'm not talking Kratos Half-naked, I'm talking Kars of the piller-men half naked. Are you secure in your sexuality to play a character like that? Kars is one example. To add, say the game was similar to the anime series "Free!" (Might have to look it up if you never heard of it before.)

I thought a lot about this because, my brother refused to play Jojo's Bizarre Adventure All Star Battle, because in his words, "it is too gay." To add, Jojo has a large female following.

 

[Vibhor]

If I may interject. I think he's kind of right. Sure, some women don't mind it, but I'm pretty sure most would find the idea very unsettling. Think of it as if the role was reversed. Would you be willing to walk around as a half naked man.

I'm not talking Kratos Half-naked, I'm talking Kars of the piller-men half naked. Are you secure in your sexuality to play a character like that? Kars is one example. To add, say the game was similar to the anime series "Free!" (Might have to look it up if you never heard of it before.)

I thought a lot about this because, my brother refused to play Jojo's Bizarre Adventure All Star Battle, because in his words, "it is too gay." To add, Jojo has a large female following.

Considering I love Jojo and I don't let superficial things like appearance affect my taste, I wouldn't actually mind running around as a half naked man. In fact, male front nudity is becoming more and more accepted in video games whereas female nudity is the one which causes outcries of sexism. The whole power fantasy argument is complete bullshit that plays right into specified gender stereotypes.
Also, Battle Tendency was aimed at young males(shonen) so if anything your brother is the exception, not the norm.

 

[Kingjackl]

Valve games are pretty legit. Most of their games are fairly racially diverse, and there's pretty much no overtly sexual content in any of their games as far as I can remember. If it weren't for Ken Levine, they'd be the Christopher Nolan of video games.

The Walking Dead games are also good for the same reasons, as are the Metro games. Come to think of it, I can't think of that many games that I would call misogynistic, racist, or transphobic- especially not the latter since I can't even think of any games with transpeople in them. Maybe Poison from Final Fight, but she's not exactly a deep character.

 

[The Lunatic]

In fact, male front nudity is becoming more and more accepted in video games whereas female nudity is the one which causes outcries of sexism.

Amusingly, even GTA V had full male nudity, completely uncensored.

Female however, would have caused an awful lot of outcry.

 

[grassgremlin]

If I may interject. I think he's kind of right. Sure, some women don't mind it, but I'm pretty sure most would find the idea very unsettling. Think of it as if the role was reversed. Would you be willing to walk around as a half naked man.

I'm not talking Kratos Half-naked, I'm talking Kars of the piller-men half naked. Are you secure in your sexuality to play a character like that? Kars is one example. To add, say the game was similar to the anime series "Free!" (Might have to look it up if you never heard of it before.)

I thought a lot about this because, my brother refused to play Jojo's Bizarre Adventure All Star Battle, because in his words, "it is too gay." To add, Jojo has a large female following.

Considering I love Jojo and I don't let superficial things like appearance affect my taste, I wouldn't actually mind running around as a half naked man. In fact, male front nudity is becoming more and more accepted in video games whereas female nudity is the one which causes outcries of sexism. The whole power fantasy argument is complete bullshit that plays right into specified gender stereotypes.
Also, Battle Tendency was aimed at young males(shonen) so if anything your brother is the exception, not the norm.

But, the point is, wouldn't "it's too gay" and therefore "this makes me uncomfortable" apply to women? Probably not the gay part exactly, but I compare the discomfort a woman feels playing something like "dead or alive" with my brother who plays something similar but involving men. Yeah, my brother is a bit homophobic, it's still the same discomfort. It's the idea that this is some scantily clad woman and somewhere someone is getting off to it. The image of that could unsettle some people. When you add the gamer stereotype that's an entire new can of worms.

Does it suck? Yes. Think about this. Isn't it a good thing if there is less female nudity in games? What we shoot for is equality. That means dialing back what's saturate the market while introducing more of what's not there. Balancing the scales. It's so much of one side, that dialing back is the best way to even the play field.

And really, I doubt their is as much male sexual objectification as their is female. I'm talking SEXUAL objectification by the way and not objectification of muscular power fantasy (Kratos for example).

 

[carnex]

You said "everything" as what and "pure happy fun" as for how. Well, its certainly not in service of pure happy fun for women to have them run around in underwear. For people who like seeing naked women, maybe, but thats generally not women, hence, "male gaze".

-snip-

I recognized that, and even if its the game above is for a "pure fun happy" tone, the way they illustrate armour for women is most certainly not meant for the "happiness" of women.

I understand that many female players would feel uneasy with that portrayal. However, Scarlet Blade gender statistics do have a chip to flip in. MMO that has almost nothing but "hypersexualized" female characters (they added male class later under pressure) has 1/4 of female payers according to admittedly really small sample size self reporting thread on their forum ( http://www.aeriagames.com/forums/en/viewtopic.php?p=14723089 ) and their official site, ( http://scarletblade.aeriagames.com/ ) has, according to alexa greater percentage of feamle visitors ( http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http%3A%2F%2Fscarletblade.aeriagames.com) than gaming press with "social justice" agenda journalists by their own admittance like Kotaku( http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kotaku.com ), Rockpapershotgun ( http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/rockpapershotgun.com ), Polygon ( http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/polygon.com ), an basically the same demographic split with Gamasutra ( http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gamasutra.com ). More interestingly, it's site has only slightly less female visitors than most female friendly MMO i know in both design and community, Lord of the Rings Online ( http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/lotro.com ).

So I don't think you could apply your line of thinking onto majority of gamers, both male and female. Granted it's just an opinion based on inconclusive data, but i would not dare to make your claims with this data.

 

[Vibhor]

But, the point is, wouldn't "it's too gay" and therefore "this makes me uncomfortable" apply to women? Probably not the gay part exactly, but I compare the discomfort a woman feels playing something like "dead or alive" with my brother who plays something similar but involving men. Yeah, my brother is a bit homophobic, it's still the same discomfort. It's the idea that this is some scantily clad woman and somewhere someone is getting off to it. The image of that could unsettle some people. When you add the gamer stereotype that's an entire new can of worms.

That sounds like a completely personal issue. I mean, you are literally getting uneasy that someone else enjoys something you don't. How is this any different from religious people getting offended over homosexuality?
Your insecurities are your own, not something the society needs to change for. That is a really conservative and backwards viewpoint.
As for your female viewpoint, look up Ranma 1/2. That has more naked females than Jojo and it is aimed directly towards females created by a female artist. Why do you think sailor moon has 5 female characters who go naked during transformation and wear mini skirts? If you think it is because of male pandering then you couldn't be any more wrong. The general populace has no problems with nudity or even sexualisation. Its always the hyper sensitive that don't even understand the topic at hand who start throwing a hissy fit.

Does it suck? Yes. Think about this. Isn't it a good thing if there is less female nudity in games? What we shoot for is equality. That means dialing back what's saturate the market while introducing more of what's not there. Balancing the scales. It's so much of one side, that dialing back is the best way to even the play field.

How is it equality when male nudity is met with indifference while female nudity is decried? What skewed perception of equality are you holding here?

And really, I doubt their is as much male sexual objectification as their is female. I'm talking SEXUAL objectification by the way and not objectification of muscular power fantasy (Kratos for example).

And here comes the power fantasy bullshit with its cousin objectification.
What exactly do you imply by objectification here and why exactly is it negative?
Female sexual objectification and Male sexual objectification are two completely different beasts. If going by the "standard" definition of the term i.e. Desirability=objectification then I can tell you right away that there isn't a single character in the whole medium that isn't liked by someone in a sexual manner.
Hell, if we go by that definition then every dating sim is pretty much Objectification galore and let me tell you there are more dating sims which cater to females than males.

 

[Vibhor]

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Not really related to the topic but I have found that every site that clamored for better female representation are giant sausagefest and a site like 4chan which is painted as a misogyny haven has over representation of females according to alexa.
This whole power fantasy and "over sexualization" is pushed largely by males who always only assume female viewpoint.

 

[carnex]

-snip-

Not really related to the topic but I have found that every site that clamored for better female representation are giant sausagefest and a site like 4chan which is painted as a misogyny haven has over representation of females according to alexa.
This whole power fantasy and "over sexualization" is pushed largely by males who always only assume female viewpoint.

That infographics? That wasn't really fair comparison and I made it just to poke fun since people constantly used 4chan as a scapegoat. But 4chan is huge imageboard with significant art community among others and, while not nearly in same position as 5 years ago it's cam"less then clothed girls on display" central. But both genders enjoy ultimate freedom that 4chan was and, compared to heavily moderated boards like this, still is so that helps too. 4chan casts much wider net than gaming media outlets and offer something that is very rare on internet today.

 

[Stats ^1]

Games which aren't transphobic, racist or sexist?

Hmmm... let me think for a second.

OH WAIT. PRETTY MUCH ALL GAMES FIT THAT DESCRIPTION

Game developers are human. They're not evil, offensive pigs who you should feel open to shame. The majority of game developers make games as a passion or hobby.

Frankly, the people who are shaming the devs over nothing (e.g. you, anita sarkeesian) should be shamed, you make me sick.

Don't ever state that only a few games AREN'T racist or sexist.

 

[veloper]

Games which aren't transphobic, racist or sexist?

Hmmm... let me think for a second.

OH WAIT. PRETTY MUCH ALL GAMES FIT THAT DESCRIPTION

Game developers are human. They're not evil, offensive pigs who you should feel open to shame. The majority of game developers make games as a passion or hobby.

Frankly, the people who are shaming the devs over nothing (e.g. you, anita sarkeesian) should be shamed, you make me sick.

Don't ever state that only a few games AREN'T racist or sexist.

I believe that the rules in this particular forum game are that having only male protagonists is sexist and a female PC that is vaguely sexy is also sexist, featuring black criminals is racist and stuff like that. So basicly, would Anita approve of it?

Else it's just way too easy.

 

[Vibhor]

I believe that the rules in this particular forum game are that having only male protagonists is sexist and a female PC that is vaguely sexy is also sexist, featuring black criminals is racist and stuff like that. So basicly, would Anita approve of it?

Else it's just way too easy.

To be fair this isn't something new that was just started by Anita
People have been doing this shit way back since GTA:SA

 

[veloper]

I believe that the rules in this particular forum game are that having only male protagonists is sexist and a female PC that is vaguely sexy is also sexist, featuring black criminals is racist and stuff like that. So basicly, would Anita approve of it?

Else it's just way too easy.

To be fair this isn't something new that was just started by Anita
People have been doing this shit way back since GTA:SA

And the awesome thing is that even under the most hyper-sensitive restrictions, there's still many good games that fit the criteria.

 

[Erttheking]

Dallas Wyatt in Valkyria Chronicles was pretty bad for this.

Has the trait "Hates men" and loses stat points if you group her up with male characters.

Classy. Never really gets called out on this, it's just regarded as "Acceptable".

Can you imagine if the genders were reversed on this? There would be so much uproar.

Considering that Valkyria Chronicles is just plain shit and is a cutesy wutesy game that tries to cover the HOLOCAUST I got bigger fish to fry with that game. Anyway, my friend and I decided anyone who had a "Hates x" trait could fuck right off because they would actively bring the unit down, and I don't see how other people would think differently.

Oh yeah, and they had that "Likes men" guy who was a camp gay stereotype.

 

[Vibhor]

Considering that Valkyria Chronicles is just plain shit and is a cutesy wutesy game that tries to cover the HOLOCAUST I got bigger fish to fry with that game. Anyway, my friend and I decided anyone who had a "Hates x" trait could fuck right off because they would actively bring the unit down, and I don't see how other people would think differently.

Oh yeah, and they had that "Likes men" guy who was a camp gay stereotype.

I think he is more concerned about the hypocrisy of hypersensitive people using equality as an excuse to their behavior.
The characters which hate certain types of characters are nothing new in Turn Based Tactics games. It shouldn't go anywhere either, it helps giving character depth beyond their skill set. Jagged Alliance 2 is amazing in this aspect.