LucasFilms Confirms adding "NOOOOOO!" to Return of the Jedi

[Twilight_guy]

The fact that you pre-order the sequels to a set of movies that you most likely already own show the fatal flaw in this whole nonsense. The fans who complain that they like the old versions usually own the old versions. No one is forcing them to buy the new versions. Yet they act as if changes in future versions affect what they have. It doesn't. Go watch the VHS and be happy. Ignore everything Star Wars related in the future, pretend as if it never happens. Whining and complaining while still ordering the thing just makes you seem like a hypocrite and an idiot.

We're more concerned about future generations having to deal with this nonsense.

Future generations aren't even going to know what Star Wars is. Future Generations aren't going to care who shot first. Future Generations are going to at best read about the footnote of that movie called Star Wars that was big for a while. The Future is a big place is Star Wars is increasingly becoming more and more obscure Unless they make more movie people just aren't going to care in a few decades. Hell, kids don't care about movie made before they were born... ever. Just the notion of "preserved for future generations" is baffling bass ackward that I can't rap my head around it. Not to mention the balls you have to have to have to declare that your own vision, not the vision of the creator or the parent company or anyone else is the correct one. You know what, if you want to preserve the future go find a VHS, convert it to DVD, put it ona website and sit on it. That's how you preserve the future, by doing something about it, not by whining over the current situation. If it bugs you, do something stop complaining. Not even the smallest violin is small enough to express the lack of sympathy I have for someone who complains instead of doing something about it. The same amount of energy could be put into useful work. That is what bothers me. Not that is changing but that instead of doing something sensible like trying to preserve an old copy or something they are complaining on a forum and somehow hoping this is going to change the world. Great people don't sit and complain, they act. I want people to act, not to fill the internet with wrist cutting in ASCII form over a movie series.

 

[Nico4]

At bloody least include the original 1977-1981 versions! I only saw the special editions, and never the original version. God damn it

 

[teqrevisited]

I still have my video cassette trilogy and I shall damn well keep them. He didn't need to say anything at the end. Even though he didn't have a face you could tell what he was about to do.

 

[Smertnik]

I'm still waiting for Lucas to change Solo's "I know" back to "I love you, too".

 

[Slackboy2007]

Stanley Kubrick demanded home video copies of his films only be published in full frame format and his estate made sure they were released that way after his death. For awhile. Eventually, smarter, more sensible people made the decision to release the movies in widescreen format the way they were meant to be seen and the way consumers wanted to see them - against Kubrick's wishes.

My understanding of this is that, back in VHS days, TVs were all in 4:3 format, so Kubrick wanted the picture cut down to suit so there wouldn't be any black borders. You could argue that re-cutting them to a 16:9 format for a 16:9 TV is actually more in-keeping with his wishes than otherwise, but it depends on interpretation and what he actually said at the time.

Just to play devil's advocate (a little), I can understand why Lucas changed the scene because the original did lack a certain something. Having said that, the execution of the changes is terrible, and now I'm wondering if he got James Earl Jones back in the studio to record the lines or took them from old audio tapes, because I can't believe that the old pro would ever give such a flat and lifeless delivery. Is there a blu-ray extra with a new interview with Jones where he looks incredibly awkward while talking about the change?

 

[RaikuFA]

so when are we all going to go free Hat McCullough?

cookie for the reference

 

[Clonekiller]

Stanley Kubrick demanded home video copies of his films only be published in full frame format and his estate made sure they were released that way after his death. For awhile. Eventually, smarter, more sensible people made the decision to release the movies in widescreen format the way they were meant to be seen and the way consumers wanted to see them - against Kubrick's wishes.

My understanding of this is that, back in VHS days, TVs were all in 4:3 format, so Kubrick wanted the picture cut down to suit so there wouldn't be any black borders. You could argue that re-cutting them to a 16:9 format for a 16:9 TV is actually more in-keeping with his wishes than otherwise, but it depends on interpretation and what he actually said at the time.

Just to play devil's advocate (a little), I can understand why Lucas changed the scene because the original did lack a certain something. Having said that, the execution of the changes is terrible, and now I'm wondering if he got James Earl Jones back in the studio to record the lines or took them from old audio tapes, because I can't believe that the old pro would ever give such a flat and lifeless delivery. Is there a blu-ray extra with a new interview with Jones where he looks incredibly awkward while talking about the change?

All I can say is that I wish they would release a COMPLETELY UNALTERED VERSION of the original films. The extended cuts were kinda nice, but some of the added scenes sucked, the audio changes sucked even more, and now we have script changes too. I'm not really a big fan of nostalgia, but COME ON! I'm watching the old VHS tapes (which I transferred to DVD) more often than that stupid box set I picked up.

 

[Clonekiller]

Stanley Kubrick demanded home video copies of his films only be published in full frame format and his estate made sure they were released that way after his death. For awhile. Eventually, smarter, more sensible people made the decision to release the movies in widescreen format the way they were meant to be seen and the way consumers wanted to see them - against Kubrick's wishes.

My understanding of this is that, back in VHS days, TVs were all in 4:3 format, so Kubrick wanted the picture cut down to suit so there wouldn't be any black borders. You could argue that re-cutting them to a 16:9 format for a 16:9 TV is actually more in-keeping with his wishes than otherwise, but it depends on interpretation and what he actually said at the time.

Just to play devil's advocate (a little), I can understand why Lucas changed the scene because the original did lack a certain something. Having said that, the execution of the changes is terrible, and now I'm wondering if he got James Earl Jones back in the studio to record the lines or took them from old audio tapes, because I can't believe that the old pro would ever give such a flat and lifeless delivery. Is there a blu-ray extra with a new interview with Jones where he looks incredibly awkward while talking about the change?

All I can say is that I wish they would release a COMPLETELY UNALTERED VERSION of the original films. The extended cuts were kinda nice, but some of the added scenes sucked, the audio changes sucked even more, and now we have script changes too. I'm not really a big fan of nostalgia, but COME ON! I'm watching the old VHS tapes (which I transferred to DVD) more often than that stupid box set I picked up.

Edit: Okay, so maybe the new DVD set has both versions. Still............ I despise George Lucas on principle now.

 

[ReservoirAngel]

and young Hayden Christensen appearing as a ghost at the end of Jedi when Lucas reissued the Special Edition of his films.

To this day that still pisses me off and I don't know why. Maybe it's that I don't know whether to kiss him or punch him...

But yeah, I'm half in favour of the "NOOOO!" and half against it. On the obvious side, the really overblown second one as he lifts him up is just too overdone and the scene was a lot more powerful with a silent Vader turning on his Master. On the other hand however, the first quiter "no..." was just right in pitch. It had a very Wyatt Earp style to it that I actually kind of love. If they'd just had that in and left the big dramatic one out I would probably support this.

 

[LITE992]

If you read the book about Darth Vader (Star Wars: The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader), he has a mental revelation at that scene.

 

[Wait...What]

...Please tell me there will be an option to see the original unaltered version in the blu ray pack


...please?

I know the DVD trilogy has this option, so there is hope.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

It is official, George is just out to troll the fans now, all there is to it.

There is no other explanation that I can really give.

Can you really blame him. All they tend to do it *****, and moan.

There is probably a good reason for that.

There is no good reason for whining like a bunch of spoiled brat children.

Did you not watch that video?

Or have you, like, not seen Star Wars or something? or do you just not care?

If you don't care... WHY ARE YOU HERE?!?!

No I didn't, but I have a pretty good idea of how it goes. Besides if you'd taken note of my first post where I'd commented on Lucus's unfamiliarity with the phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." But none of this is any excuse for whining like a bunch of spoiled little sniveling brats. You really want to let George Lucus know how you feel about this? DON'T BUY THE FUCKING THINGS!!! George Lucus has already made it quite clear just what contempt he has for your whining, and quite frankly I can't say I blame him.

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

OMFG that completely changed the mood of the scene. It wen't from dramatic to lulzy and embarrasing.

 

[RuralGamer]

This joke has probably already been made a thousand thousand times, but;
"It was as if a million voices cried out in anger and were not-so-suddenly ignored by a film-maker"...

I liked the changes in the re-releases back in the 90s; I grew up with them, but this seems to be going a tad too far, especially considering how pivotal a scene this is. Such an aditional voiceover is completely unnecessary; the music, the camera work and Mark Hamill's plea already create a very deep moment and this just... doesn't fit, for want of better words?
What's it with Lucas and his companies just being so bad in the last few years; I wasn't too bothered by the new trilogy, except parts of III, but since 2005, they have failed to impress; all the new Star Wars stuff has just been... meh...

 

[Frankster]

This fits. Vader's saying "No" doesn't take anything away from the moment, it doesn't deviate from his character, and it wouldn't be an obvious change to a first-time viewer.

Really? Dunno if it's just me but the no...noooo! really does seem to stand out and integrate itself poorly with the film, you can feel it got edited in. Maybe it's just my perception then :\

By contrast, ben kenobi's wail I wouldn't have known is edited unless I already seen it.

Disclaimer: Stopped givin a damn about star wars ages ago so spare me the "bitching for bitchins sake" argument incase someone tries that on me. Though I think that line of thinking misses the point completely and the greater issue at hand is when does a universe cease becoming the property of its creator? The SW universe has grown far beyond lucas and would likely be better off without him now, but does the fact that he created it give him defacto powers to fuck it up as he pleases? That is the real underlying issue.

 

[MorganL4]

The DVDs came with the theatrical release. WILL THE BLUE RAYS??? thats all I care about, he can screw with the 1990's versions ALL HE WANTS as long as I still get my theatrical release on the disk.

 

[DarkPanda XIII]

Oh hell, x.x. We all could read Vader's reaction without him saying it. Ugh...

 

[DTWolfwood]

DO NOT WANT!!!

Star War Backstroke of the West is still Lucas' best work! XD

 

[Therumancer]

How the fucking hell does this keep happening? I mean seriously how? I'm half tempted to declare all these mistakes an elaborate conspiricy and that this man isn't the real George Lucus. I mean what other explaination can there be for the guy who made Labrinth, Willow, Indiana fucking Jones (though granted he wasn't alone on that) and god damn Star Wars (As well as a dozen other awesome things) being as completely incompetent as he has been for the past 13 years or so?

It's because of arrogance in the creative industry for science fiction and fantasy. The industry, whether it's comics, movies, video games, or anything else, all believe that those with strong opinions are simply fanboys who won't be happy with anything they do, and thus do whatever they happen to want while ignoring any negative feedback. The most outrageous examples of this in recent memory are the whole thing over "Is it okay to heavily define Hawke in Dragon Age 2 and not allow much character customization?" from Bioware, and the attitudes about the Conan "relaunch" where in Sci-Fi Magazine they pretty much said flat
out they planned to ignore anything that they were hearing about the movie.

I think George Lucas' problem is that he seems Star Wars as his defining achievement and can't just leave it alone, especially seeing as any changes he makes get him ton of attention.... and really, not much else he does gets him that kind of attention. "Willow" was okay but not great, "Indiana Jones" requires the cooperation of other major talent as opposed to really being his show, and "Labyrinth" didn't have a lot of sequel potential.

This is one of those cases where I think it sort of illustrates how an industry that actually ignores it's fan base, as "awesome" as it is to brag about it, is going to fail far more times than it won't. Ignoring the fans is the easy path, taking the time to listen to the criticism and sort it is not.