LucasFilms Confirms adding "NOOOOOO!" to Return of the Jedi

[rsfreebird]

Who cares? Its still Star Wars. Oh well.

 

[Ekonk]

How the fucking hell does this keep happening? I mean seriously how? I'm half tempted to declare all these mistakes an elaborate conspiricy and that this man isn't the real George Lucus. I mean what other explaination can there be for the guy who made Labrinth, Willow, Indiana fucking Jones (though granted he wasn't alone on that) and god damn Star Wars (As well as a dozen other awesome things) being as completely incompetent as he has been for the past 13 years or so?

You aren't the only one who thinks that.

 

[GonzoGamer]

But this isn't the first of April....
That's so sad, I can't help but laugh a little.

NO! Bad George! NNNO!

That's how you have to do it.

 

[Arkynomicon]

That was one of the scenes that always comes to mind when I think about Return of the Jedi. Mostly because it was genuinely a great emotional scene that didn't need cliché melodrama forcefully inserted in to it.

I was thinking about buying it on blu-ray before. I figured Lucas wouldn't add more crap to them because of the backlash he had from previous edits. But just this ham-fisted editing alone really puts me off from buying it.

Also, I don't buy the "It's his movie so he can ruin it if he wants to." argument. It's like being fine with a guy trying to saw his foot off, because it is his foot and he can do whatever he wants with it.

 

[TheDooD]

[ insert "noooooo" video here ]

This is why I can't stand Star Wars anymore it's pretty much the joke of SciFi movies.

 

[Darth Sea Bass]

*Sigh* I wish i could muster any anger about it but after so many stupid changes he's made i'm past it. Bird's fly, Fish swim, Sun shines and george lucas makes another unneeded alteration to a star wars movie.

 

[Saylek]

This is a great way for Lucas to earn money. He know that this will gain attention from the public and that attention is what earns him an extra penny in his pocket. If we all stop caring about these changes then I'm pretty certain that he will stop making these changes...

 

[tunderball]

I'm a huge Star Wars fan and whilst everybody else seems to have been up in arms about this kind of stuff for ages I've been pretty forgiving. But this just does not work and I can give you two good reasons why not;

1. It goes without saying that adding this has ruined yet another of Star Wars's iconic scenes, sometimes nothing needs to be said.
2. And this is slightly more complicated and may be long winded - if the NOOOOOOOOOO had be included from the very start when RotJ was first filmed it might of worked, however in its current state we are asked to believe that the all powerful emperor who is capable of manipulating the entire galaxy doesn't have the sense to look to his right after Vader practically declares his intentions (out loud!) that he's going to betray him.

 

[Angelus SnV]

Ok...my 2 cents (this'll either be totally ignored, or nobody'll get past "the way i write" (you'll see))...

1) I liked the prequels...as a kid, my entire interest in the SW universe was the Jedi order...that bein' said, you really didn't see a lot of 'em in th'originals...so more jedi=more interest for me personally...

2) Villians to me were always more interesting when you showed how they got to th'point where bbq-ing babies was fun for 'em...now while vader didn't get that far (technically), you still surely understand where i'm goin' with this...

3) When th'dvd's were released, yes he made a few changes (off th'top of my head) my reactions were:

-Extra scene with Jabba in EPIV: ok, i'm on board...

-Altering the dialogue 'tween the emperor and Vader in EPV: Still on board...it made th'universe seem to fit a lil' better with th'prequels (and since i liked 'em, it was a welcomed connection)

-Hayden Christansen (or however in th'hell you spell his name) showin' in ghost form in the end of EPVI: Made sense to me since Anakin "died" lookin' young like that...kinda like someone's spirit bein' projected the way they'd most like to be remembered...made sense to me...

but don't get it twisted folks...there's a few i'm not cool with:

-Greedo now shoots first: Ok...kinda lame...you took a bad@$$ anti-hero type character and made him a wannabe...Han's turn from Merc to genuine good-guy (with a smartass streak a mile wide) was one of th'key points of the original trilogy...you've watered it down from th'word go...

-(Granted not part of the original trilogy but) two of the supposed "biggest moments" in EPIII: Padme's "You're breaking my heart" and the (infamous) "NOOOO" were SO BADLY DELIVERED!!! How this made it off th'editing room floor i have no idea...

So havin' said all that...what do i think of the re-re-editing of EPVI? I think (as i read so many times all ready) it just killed so much of the impact of that moment having Vader utter "No" instead of the "Holy Sh#t" moment we all got as kids (young and young at heart) seein' Vader save his boy at th'last minute...so final verdict: This sucks a giant C*cksickle!

 

[chozoone19]

Wh-wh-wh-WHAT?! How...how can you ruin such an iconic scene...why would you ruin such an iconic scene?! I mean the changes in the last edition were bad enough, new anakin, jar jar at the end of RotJ (cringe), and even some of the older updates such as greedo shot first, have not done anything to really improve the movies. Some small changes I liked, like Lukes landspeeder not having that orange blur under it, or the ship take offs looking alot better, but the rest of these I could just do without. Seriously now, WHY?

 

[Angelus SnV]

If I were re-cutting that scene (and, let's be honest, it doesn't really need it), as Vader looks on as Luke is microwaved, I would intercut snippets from the prequels -- half-remembered pieces from Anakin's past, little pieces, nudges from Palpatine that he'd never put together before. The flashback fragments would show Vader realizing: Palpatine had set him up from the start.

He would also remember losing Padme, who (he still believes) died at his hand. Now he is confronted with losing the son he barely knew (and the daughter he never will). And so, [em]silently[/em], he turns, grabs the Emperor, and throws him down the tower shaft.

Spoiler: I've seen similar vids to that suggestion on YouTube...this is one of th'better ones:

 

[JamesStone]

Honestly, the first "No." was okay. For mw, the silence when killing the Emperor just showed that he was still a cold murderer, but now killing a bad guy. The "no" expressed he actually saw the light side in him. But the second "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!", was just silly as hell. Honestly, I laughed really hard. But I still think is not such a bad thing as the creator of this article want us to believe.

 

[JackandTom]

Reminds of a scene from a different film....

 

[Treblaine]

However I don't think it fair to call Georges making of the originals an 'accident', credit must be given where credit is due and the making of a mythological universe so highly intertwined in the popular culture mindset of the general public is no accident. It might have been an unexpected success (as it indeed was in the highest sense) but it was no idiot who created Star Wars, even if he has arguably lapsed into idiocy now. I can't deny however, despite my great admiration for George and what he has created (even if not everything is tip top), this last alteration, the Darth Vader 'Nooooo' feels frankly like a big hard slap in my ***** face. That scene is of such monumental importance to the story and saga as a whole, and it is indeed the lack of any real dialogue (other than the emperors screams) with just the spine-tingling sound of the choral music, which extenuates its gravity and emotional power. Throwing in an odd sounding 'nooo' will ruin that scene. And I really mean ruin. I'm not over-exaggerating as fanboys tend to do. It will not ruin the entire saga or make me cancel my blu-ray pre-order as some melodramatic outraged fans will no doubt be doing and calling for now. But it will diminish that scenes power to the point were it will never have the same impact again as long as I watch the blu-ray. And that I consider a ruination. It will be jarring, it will be out-of-place, it will feel, like I said, as a big hard *****-slap in my face acting as not only a reminder to that laughable scene in Revenge of the Sith, but also as a reminder as to why these films were best left untouched.

The issue is that if you look back at how they were made, it was the people around him at the time that argued and fought him to keep him from making these stupid decisions, without these folks he would have arguably destroyed the original films with his total vision.
http://geektyrant.com/news/2011/3/8/3-ways-george-lucas-ex-wife-helped-star-wars.html
Just a perspective from his wife/editor at the time. Similar stories for many of the folks around him, mentioned in the well known red letter media reviews of his films as well.

Clearly his bubble is so strong at this point he refuses to listen to anyone, and has removed anyone that could stand up to him. This is a poke in the eye, there is no way he couldn't have heard the criticisms of the new film, and now instead of being more humble, he takes one of the worst parts of the prequels and shoves that into the original the pussify vader with consistency, pretty sad.

I agree; I know a great deal about the making of the original films and the reason the prequels were so heavily flawed as they are is because George wrote them on his own. With the originals he had other screenwriters like Lawrence Kasden and indeed his ex-wife amongst others and Irvin Kershner directed Empire challenging George creatively at several turns, most notably the famous 'I love you', 'I know' scene. If George had has his way, who knows, Solo might never have said the line that epitomises his character so perfectly.

However, his original vision is what created Star Wars, and whilst he might have made a few blunders if others were not there to step in and challenge him creatively whilst he was making the originals, they were still born from his mind and his ideas and there is no doubt in my mind that Lucas is one of the great leading film industry developers. Without him we may never have gotten ILM, Skywalker Sound or even Pixar and all the incredible work they accomplish in films world-wide, all of them having their origins within his company and under his management to one degree or another.

Lucas is living and breathing proof that Auteur Theory is bullshit.

Great works are collaborations, open to altering ideas and perspectives with thoughtful and equal dialogue about every decision.

But I've seen a lot of evidence even with the prequel trilogy that he has it in for his subordinates who ever show unique talents. Like when he hired Tartakovsky to make those Clone Wars shorts - I bet he thought they would just be some throw away marketing.

Turns out, they were really... REALLY fucking good:


Yep, this 6 minutes "kids cartoon" is better than all the films of the Prequel Trilogy... COMBINED!

And what did Lucas do in response to this?

He burried it. They did not get a proper and timely DVD release and he even went to the extraordinary step of RECTONNING IT OUT OF EXISTENCE! Yes, he binned the 2003 "Clone Wars" TV Series and replaced it with the GOD AWFUL 2008 "THE Clone Wars" series that he personally took the helm of.

Tartakovsky is far from infallible, but you look at his creative process and you will see he is inclusive and driven, except he managed to outshine his corrupt master.

 

[templar1138a]

*has watched*

Okay, this isn't as bad as Greedo shooting first.

Greedo's shooting first took away Han's badassery and was edited poorly.

This fits. Vader's saying "No" doesn't take anything away from the moment, it doesn't deviate from his character, and it wouldn't be an obvious change to a first-time viewer. That said, it doesn't particularly add anything either. I feel that the scene is fine either way.

And dear Internet: I know you hate the prequels and Jar Jar Binks. I know you feel the need to whine about every change the owner of the franchise makes whenever he rereleases it. The thing is, Episode I was released in 1999, and Episode III came out in 2005, and the DVD release of the original trilogy came out shortly beforehand. It's now 2011, coming close to 2012.

Get. Over. It.

 

[redisforever]

Are the theatrical releases of the original three out on DVD or Blu Ray?

I've got 'em on VHS, but VHS is fragile.

PS, reading about the making of Star Wars, it becomes pretty clear that everyone else made Star Wars in spite of George Lucas. How about we all pool together and hire a hit man or fifty? Come on guys, let's do the world a favour!

On DVD, yes. There is a version out that has 2 discs. One with the 'special' edition, and the normal ones.

 

[redisforever]

Ok, I just saw the video with the Ewoks blinking. HOLYFUCKBALLS!!!!
That is seriously creepy and unreal! LEAVE THIS ALONE LUCAS!!!

 

[Azure Knight-Zeo]

I think I understand why he added this, it was to show a type of symmetry between Vader's birth and his last action before his death. But then again this only really works when the beginning part doesn't suck.

If you made something and it was awesome, don't try to change it, otherwise you may (and most likely will) end up ruining it.

 

[PunkRex]

Its not as good as it was when it was silent but I dont think its anything to get TO bothered about. By all means tell him it was better before but lets not do that "IT RUINS EVERYTHING HE DID BEFORE" that happens sometimes... Crystal Skull was that pants granted.

Im a big fan of the first two films in each half of the series and although the third films had their problems ill still proberly be buying these, or at least letting my big bro buy them and then rob his arse.