Man Arrested For Trying to Split the Atom at Home

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martin's a madman

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Generic Gamer said:
Ghengis John said:
I must also concur. He seems the very image of the baffled, absent-minded scientist, diligently working on his experiments but inept at everything else.

Still, considering he turned himself in can we not be too hard on the guy?
I know a lot of guys like this at uni. They remind me of Halley's comet; a long and eccentric circuit through life, only briefly approaching our world before disappearing into the ether once more.

They're harmless right up until they get the bit between their teeth and then nothing and no one will stop them. The main danger of their good natured obsessions is their complete inability to risk assess and think something through in practical terms.
I'm studying physics in university!

I'm a bit more grounded than that.
 

loc978

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this guy sounds like he could be a D20 modern ability score trope:
"Intelligence is the stat that will help you figure out how to build a fission reactor from common household items.
Wisdom is the stat that will tell you not to do it in your kitchen."


Also, holy crap, following a few links from this thread led me to this:
 

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This is amazing, he's taking it old-school like the Curies. Reminds me of the Boy Scout who tried building a nuclear reactor in his shed by collecting the necessary material from 6,000 smoke alarms...at a cost of $10,000.
 

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I remember reading about this on a Swedish web-site yesterday. I took particular interest in it as it all happened to occur in the town where I live. It's a quiet little town without all that much to do on your spare time, so this could actually likely be a project born out of sheer boredom.

or sheer crazy boredom...
or I guess sheer crazy boredom of madman proportions...

I'm also weirdly proud to have been living sort of next-door to what could have been the first actual supervillain in history, had he been able to keep pursuing his hobby.

I see it now...

"Richard Handl was just a normal guy trying to cleave atoms in his stove when a teerrrrrible accident occured! A great explosion caused him to merge with his makeshift fission-chamber and SUCH was the birth of the sinister DR STOVE!"
 

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it kinda feels like the Radiation people were not cool at all, calling the police. The guy just wanted to know if everything was okay and good, and just had to call the cops. They just couldn't say "No, you shouldn't do that, if you already didn't know that", before making the call to the cops. Sure it's kinda obvious that splitting an atom in your kitchen isn't the best of ideas, but still. Quite rude of them to do this.
Honestly, it really isn't that bad. Simply put, you can't generate enough energy to create a proper explosion in a home. At absolute worst, he could create a low-yield "dirty bomb" that would damage (possibly destroy, but I doubt it) his home and leak a non-fatal amount of radiation.

That said, just having the compounds needed for such experiments is dangerous and the radiation from them could have side-effects on his neighbors if they were improperly contained for a long period.
 

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It's kinda funny to find out stuff like this from the Escapist rather than any Swedish newspaper. It made it to Fox News but not to Aftonbladet?

OT: Kind of impressive, but obviously illegal. Something he should have been able to figure out on his own.
 

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lacktheknack said:
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Only two years? Sweden is light on atomic crime. Being caught with fissionable materials in the US would net you a much longer stay in a Fed facility.
orangeapples said:
it was only 1 atom. no one would miss it...
Would anybody miss the one town it would take with it?
I don't think splitting one atom = nuclear explosion.

I think splitting the atoms in a chunk of unstable uranium = nuclear explosion.
Well, the article didn't mention just how much he had. Plus, it's not the problem of a nuclear explosion, but radioactive material being in a humble house.
 

martin's a madman

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martin said:
I'm studying physics in university!

I'm a bit more grounded than that.
I'm in IT and I know a lot of other assorted scientists through halls, my housemates last year and the rock society and of that number about five exhibit that worrying laser-focussed enthusiasm. I've watched someone erase his entire year's work trying to customise a Linux distro to boot marginally faster because, hey, why not? I worked with another guy who rewrote our entire web design project a day before the deadline because the CSS template was one pixel the wrong way on a few pages.

They pick a pet project and follow along behind it laughing giddily like Peter Griffin from Family Guy chasing the ball across the street, blissfully unaware of the cars crashing around them.

If you haven't met these people then God help you...because believe me they're all around you and you don't know who they are!

EDIT: IT is more engineering than science but the same worrying personality types seem to be drawn to it. Honestly, some of the things my coworkers produce are beautiful but I still feel the urge to cover all the sharp corners in foam.
Oh, I've met people with that level of absent mindedness, I just wanted to show that at least one future physicist (if all goes well) is more aware of his surroundings.
 

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br1dg3 said:
lacktheknack said:
samsonguy920 said:
Only two years? Sweden is light on atomic crime. Being caught with fissionable materials in the US would net you a much longer stay in a Fed facility.
orangeapples said:
it was only 1 atom. no one would miss it...
Would anybody miss the one town it would take with it?
I don't think splitting one atom = nuclear explosion.

I think splitting the atoms in a chunk of unstable uranium = nuclear explosion.
I have to agree, the explosion wouldn't be that big with one atom, maybe part of his street, the residual effects could be more troublesome though.
The Chernobyl problem was a two-stage explosion that only blew up the plant, and that was a fair bit of unstable uranium, but the residue went across half the planet.
Uh, no. One atom wouldn't even be notable. 100 000 atoms wouldn't be notable. Lrn2physics.
 

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Bah, nuclear fission is soooo 90s. Home fusion reactors is where the future lies!

I mean they couldn't say a word against helium or hydrogen. Also, your own sun to put on your living room table.
 

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Ok, for everyone that is curious (read not Swedish) the man was never sent to jail he was just fined.
He started to self study nuclear science when he was 14 years old. He stated that it was one of his passions from early age.
As stated in this thread he used easy to find items including a smoke detector.
He already had everything he needed just never got around to building it (that why he called to ask if it was ok to assemble it).
He spend somewhere between 940-780 dollars for all the material.
All the equipment was taken by the police and he decided to keep it theoretical in the future.
The meld down only amounted to soot on the stove, it was no more than that.

Hope this will keep the speculation to a minimum and clarify what the U.S media has inadequately reported.
 

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So how exactly do you get your hands on uranium anyway?

Did he find it lying around in his backyard?
 

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My knowledge of physics is a little rusty. If he had somehow succeeded in splitting an atom, would that have been sufficient to cause a massive explosion? Or are the conditions to create a chain reaction more complicated than that?

Byere said:
Millenium Falcon at the bottom of the ocean
Wait, what?
 

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samsonguy920 said:
Only two years? Sweden is light on atomic crime. Being caught with fissionable materials in the US would net you a much longer stay in a Fed facility.
orangeapples said:
it was only 1 atom. no one would miss it...
Would anybody miss the one town it would take with it?
one uranium atom of u-235 would release approximately 15 watt hours of energy, ( 200 Mev's if harnessed ) no where near enough to devastate a town

remember bombs are rather large and consist of... significantly more than one single atom

it does of-course depend on purity, and vary from reaction to reaction on allot of factors but this could be done safely if he was as smart as he seems to think

there is a calculator for mega-electron volts here:
http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/units-converter/energy/calculator/megaelectron-volt-%5BMeV%5D-to-watt-hour-%5BW*h%5D/

enjoy
 

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that poor man, i hope he doesn't get convicted for this. i mean it's not like he was bent on world domination or anything like that, he's just a nerd. damn jocks always hating on us...
 

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-gasp- Old man Handl?!


Yeah! And I would have gotten away with it too! If it weren't for you meddling cops!


OT:
seriously now, why try to impede the progress?
 

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He never posed a threat, but the fact that he was storing radioactive material (no matter how small the quantity) is a cause for concern.

He was trying to see if he could start a nuclear chain reaction in his home? Must've hated his home, that's all I'm going to say. If he was honestly trying to start a nuclear reaction, then he's an idiot.

Not that he ever had a chance of succeeding. But to even try to attempt to start a reaction in his HOME shows that he doesn't even understand what he was trying to accomplish. If he had truly been able caused a nuclear chain reaction with Uranium 238, then he would be dead - either due to the radiation emitted or the blast of the explosion.
 

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There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding about what is involved in a project like this.

First, making a small nuclear reactor at home doesn't make him a genius or a moron. Anyone of average intelligence could do so if they were so inclined, as all the information you need is readily available. It's not a stupid project; small volumes of material pose very little risk to you or your neighbors. Personally, I think its fantastic.

A nuclear reactor is not a nuclear bomb, and a meltdown is not a nuclear explosion. Nuclear reactors capture the energy from the decay of nuclear isotopes. Nuclear bombs induce a chain reaction of nuclear fission which is then used to induce a chain reaction of nuclear fusion, releasing vast amounts of energy. The nuclear reactor at Chernobyl experienced a worst-case meltdown, and there was still no atomic explosion, since nuclear reactors don't work like that (not even terribly unsafe graphite medium reactors like the Soviets built).

I can understand why possession of nuclear material is illegal, and I can understand why the authorities would shut down his experiments. What I can't understand is why there would be any threat of criminal charges against this individual, when he clearly did not mean any harm nor had he done anything to directly jeopardize his neighbors.

Certainly he had the potential to cause harm, but that doesn't count for much. Any person who owns a car has the potential to cause a great deal of harm. Anyone who owns a kitchen knife is capable of posing a threat to the safety of others. It's what we DO with these things that matters.