The thing about weed is you often need to deal with shady characters to acquire it. Cough syrup on the other hand is easy, cheap, and legal to acquire. An overdose of cough syrup can turn a fun night with friends into a funtastic night with friends.
Marijuana - Advice?
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I personally don't know anything about his drug use, but I can tell you that I've never heard of nor with a quick search found anything about him using drugs. Perhaps you are thinking of Humphry Davy another famous and well respected chemist who is infamous for his addiction to laughing gas?xXGeckoXx said:
However I feel I must defend my point that there is no evidence that it enhances creativity or any other positive attribute. Yes many musicians accredit smoking weed to inspiring music, but we know that music that is just as creative and wonderful has been created while completely sober. Yes many successful people have tried weed but equal if not greater amounts of unsuccessful people have as well. So while I would agree with you in that pointing out that successful people have tried or do smoke weed is an ok counter argument to "weed makes you lazy" it is not a good argument for "weed makes you creative" or "weed makes you successful".
I'll agree hallucinogenic compounds can allow you to view the world differently as that is the definition of a hallucinogenic compound. However I doubt the value that actually adds to most things. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of John C. Lilly and the controlled use of psychedelics and such for helping understanding the nature of reality and the like. I just don't think it would help anyone determine the structure of a compound or assist in theorizing in a meaningful way.
As for being friendly I'm a bit confused. I'm not particularly use to people not being friendly towards me upon the first encounter at least. Also many gang members who deal weed and other such things are not particularly friendly, and smoke weed regularly. So I think the friendly thing has less to do with the weed and more to do with the individual.
William Randolph hurst had a lot of money invested in the timber industry back in the 1930s, so when it was discovered that hemp could be used as a cheaper way to make paper he ran a campaign against it using his news papers that he owned across the country. Eventually the government, the citizens of America, and the film industy jumped on board his campaign due to their ignorance. That is the story if marijuana ilegalization.
As a lot of people said, the main problem is social conditioning, most people don't try it because it's just got this reputation, we're constantly told it's bad for us, so it's what we come to believe.
For me, I don't do it for a couple of reasons,
1. The kind of people I know who smoke are really not the sort I want to get mixed up in. My brother is a fairly regular weed smoker, and it's just so depressing watching someone you care about slip into this slacker mentality. It's really effected his grades, and his attitude in general, he's always miserable.
2. It's a depressant, and i'm generally a relaxed person anyway, so I don't really need it.
3. It's illegal. I realise for most people this really isn't an issue, and on it's own it probably wouldn't be, but it does matter to me. Believe it or not I don't actually like breaking the law.
For me, I don't do it for a couple of reasons,
1. The kind of people I know who smoke are really not the sort I want to get mixed up in. My brother is a fairly regular weed smoker, and it's just so depressing watching someone you care about slip into this slacker mentality. It's really effected his grades, and his attitude in general, he's always miserable.
2. It's a depressant, and i'm generally a relaxed person anyway, so I don't really need it.
3. It's illegal. I realise for most people this really isn't an issue, and on it's own it probably wouldn't be, but it does matter to me. Believe it or not I don't actually like breaking the law.
The thing with drugs is, unless you've used it or observed someone using it, your opinion is worth fuck all(probably true about everything come to think about it) Now, I used to smoke marijuana and have friends who smoke quite a bit, so I'm just going to tell you my personal experience.
When it comes to the effects, they very wildly from person to person. I'm still in school and one of my best friends smokes regularly( four or five times a week and sometimes has a joint before school) and he's getting regular A's and B's, never has a problem in school.
But most people who smoke marijuana that much have more problems. I don't believe smoking marijuana is the root cause though, a lot of them had trouble in school before they discovered weed and use it to escape normal life, and the more they do that, the further they sink. So I believe weed doesn't turn a well balanced kid into a 'useless sack of what should be human' but it does hurt the people who are almost there, it's a slippery slope.
My recommendation would be to at least try it, if you remove the mystique you can judge it for what it is and not what everyone tells you it is. If you're worried because it's against the law, I'd recommend reading this article( http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/ ) it's about the history of the plants status in America and is quite interesting.
That's about all I have to say on the topic, hope you read what I have to say and take at least something to heart
When it comes to the effects, they very wildly from person to person. I'm still in school and one of my best friends smokes regularly( four or five times a week and sometimes has a joint before school) and he's getting regular A's and B's, never has a problem in school.
But most people who smoke marijuana that much have more problems. I don't believe smoking marijuana is the root cause though, a lot of them had trouble in school before they discovered weed and use it to escape normal life, and the more they do that, the further they sink. So I believe weed doesn't turn a well balanced kid into a 'useless sack of what should be human' but it does hurt the people who are almost there, it's a slippery slope.
My recommendation would be to at least try it, if you remove the mystique you can judge it for what it is and not what everyone tells you it is. If you're worried because it's against the law, I'd recommend reading this article( http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/ ) it's about the history of the plants status in America and is quite interesting.
That's about all I have to say on the topic, hope you read what I have to say and take at least something to heart
Just gonna say, if someone asks for a source, you provide a source. You can't win a debate by saying something and telling your opponent to "Go Google it." It's bad debate etiquette and, c'mon, your opponent might find more information to use against you. I like Cracked.com because they post their sources, even though they're a comedy site who don't take anything seriously anyway. Speaking of which, I'm just going to leave this here and take off...
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping/
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping/
Most problems with it derive from the simple fact that it is illegal, it also has to be said that your common smoker of it paints a very bad picture of the drug at work. My dad was a long hair back in his young days and as such became rather fond of smoking weed but overall he's a great guy, very smart and well read.
It's definitely not HEALTHY to smoke anything including weed. it's argued that tobacco is worse but that doesn't mean we should all start getting stoned. Personally I don't smoke anything and the only recreational drug that gets into me is alcohol. That said I have experimented with weed and overall it was a pleasurable experience, nice chilled out room full of hungry music lovers it was just relaxing (But I didn't make a habit of it). It fucking kills your ability to play videogames though, concentration is almost zero.
Concerning mental health issues, it's only people with existing problems that have severe side effects from weed really. I'd say the biggest risk to the average person who smokes it all the time is apathy, they're happy to sit in one room baked out their skull and just let the day pass by without doing anything, seems rather sad to me for life to just pass you by like that.
It's definitely not HEALTHY to smoke anything including weed. it's argued that tobacco is worse but that doesn't mean we should all start getting stoned. Personally I don't smoke anything and the only recreational drug that gets into me is alcohol. That said I have experimented with weed and overall it was a pleasurable experience, nice chilled out room full of hungry music lovers it was just relaxing (But I didn't make a habit of it). It fucking kills your ability to play videogames though, concentration is almost zero.
Concerning mental health issues, it's only people with existing problems that have severe side effects from weed really. I'd say the biggest risk to the average person who smokes it all the time is apathy, they're happy to sit in one room baked out their skull and just let the day pass by without doing anything, seems rather sad to me for life to just pass you by like that.
I'm a little tired but on the point of gang members that is the saddest part. That part of the culture comes from the illegality where only criminals can deal in it because just that act is breaking the law and once you make someone a criminal the social effects are profound. That is my belief that the illegality of all drugs makes it all worse. If the drug was regulated everything would be better. Better addiction support, cleaner drugs (much safer in the case of opiates) free from pollutants. And a drop in the funding of criminals.Navvan said:
Just think about it, when warlords want to make cash to buy guns they sell drugs. If you made drugs legal all sorts of shady people would fade away (and warlords would go back to good old fashion money laundering which we could target using the budget from the war on drugs).
Don't want to make this a legalization debate but I hate the culture brought about by it. Furthermore by making individual users feel like criminals they reduce the chances that smart people who might experiment intelligently from using it.
I've tried it an recommend passing to the left (at least if you all right handed). Sadly it's not for me, I'm lazy and easy going enough without help...
What I want is some "getoffyourassadone" that Christopher Titus talks about is one of his comedy shows. Better yet have it grow all on it's own in my back yard.
What I want is some "getoffyourassadone" that Christopher Titus talks about is one of his comedy shows. Better yet have it grow all on it's own in my back yard.
As much as this is going to get me eviscerated by people who think they "know" things, smoking cannabis is just as harmful as smoking tobacco, which is quite a bit more harmful than drinking in most cases. "Non-Toxic" does not mean "Non-Harmful". Even when ingested in non-vaporized form, it's still not healthy, and should be avoided unless prescribed in very specific doses by a doctor.Nocola said:
NOTE: This is not meant to be an insult or anything, and is not only directed at you (or even mostly), but is more directed at the couple morons who I predict will try to latch onto that phrase and use it to try to bully you into doing it. Seriously guys, don't even try it, a quick trip to any medical website will tell you all you need to know.
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I have no problems with you hating it, but when you guilt trip your girlfriend into saying she won't do it just because of her relationship with you, that's where I put my foot down. That's low. Especially if you really have no good reason for hating it.
I used to do it, but stopped because I stopped having fun with it. It's something that if you don't like it, don't use it. But stay out of other people's business who use it recreationally.
I have no problems with you hating it, but when you guilt trip your girlfriend into saying she won't do it just because of her relationship with you, that's where I put my foot down. That's low. Especially if you really have no good reason for hating it.
I used to do it, but stopped because I stopped having fun with it. It's something that if you don't like it, don't use it. But stay out of other people's business who use it recreationally.
Logically it makes perfect sense, and you're not in the minority. You might arguably be in the minority on an internet forum, but you're not in the minority of people at large.Nocola said:
Most people have a problem with marijuana; it's illegal and that in itself is clearly important for you. Wanting to avoid doing something illegal is not a problem, it's a testament to your character.
Social paranoia, I suppose. You should just try it, just the once, to get past your issues with it.
It's illegal; many consider it a gateway drug; it's possible to become dependent on it as a way to relax or "escape"; it's extremely good at finding and exacerbating some mental health problems.
Plus it's a complete unknown to you, the unknown is always a bit scary. I'm not sure why you're worrying about being so anti-cannabis, but you probably don't need to. There are lots of perfectly valid and probably quite sensible reasons to be wary of drugs.
Plus it's a complete unknown to you, the unknown is always a bit scary. I'm not sure why you're worrying about being so anti-cannabis, but you probably don't need to. There are lots of perfectly valid and probably quite sensible reasons to be wary of drugs.
I'm perfectly fine with weed, but don't touch it and advise my friends not to because it is illegal. I am definitely an advocate for legalization, though.
If you want my opinion, which you clearly do, because I am so wonderful and great, its because you've been taught to.Nocola said:
You bought the stories that the anti-drug campaign sold you, and they've just stuck with you. The D.A.R.E. campaign in schools as well as the anti-substance ads run on television and print media have done a huge amount of damage, in that some people, such as yourself (from my observation based on your information) believe drugs to be way more harmful than they are and have difficulty associating with people who do use. Some people, on the other hand, learn that weed ISN'T as bad as crack or heroine, and just assume that everything they've been told was a lie or exaggerated, which has led to many people i know personally not only smoking weed, but actually getting into all those hard drugs that are actually dangerous. some people dont have either of those happen, but my point remains valid
Marijuana is a "gateway" drug because it has been made to be by the anti-drug campaign.
Weed is, as intoxicants go, essentially just smoking booze. And people already smoke and get drunk at the same time anyway.
now, i personally dont smoke at all, or drink, but i still say that we need to fix how we teach kids
I just don't understand why now, in modern times, it's become the "enemy", when Marijuana has been used for countless generations over the thousands of years of human civilisation, and is some cases has been the one of the centre points for certain civilisations.
this is probably true and i agree.Hagi said:
last concert i went to there were so many 12-15 year olds smoking weed and doing huddle hot boxes with it, and me and a friend walked over nicely and just asked them to stop or go do it away from people and they were the typcial "fuck society/i'm a rebel!" teens, while flicking us off and taking huge hits in the process. then it just becomes one of those "stubborn habits" that they can't seem to remember why they started it but keep doing it just because.
for most uses i don't mind it, it's your body do what you want.
BUT
i absolutely loathe the smell with a passion, it is one of the top 5 disgusting things to smell imo (try getting dropped into a outhouse of horse shit piled up, it doesn't smell too pretty in there. that is #1 for me) so when people hotbox all the damn time, they become a walking radiance of it and i hate sitting next to them because of it.
also i have some friends who basically ruined their lives once they started doing it/abusing it.
but besides those two things, basically doesn't bug me, it has great medical uses and there are some people who just have different ways of dealing with stress and stuff so yeah, i'd be all for legalizing it, if not just for the economic benefit of having it be legal and running through the system rather than background shady deals.
I have a newsflash for you... most people who smoke weed DO function absolutely normally in society. If you read the statistics about the prevalence of weed smokers in, say, the US: if all those people were stoners and dossers who never did anything, then that would certainly show...
"According to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, in 2009, 16.7 million Americans aged 12 or older used marijuana at least once [a] month"
16.7 million people doing nothing but smoking and lounging about would have quite the effect on the economy and society, don't you think?