Marijuana - Advice?
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I won't go into the matter of how you should feel about it, because that is your choice. But I think you shouldn't "forbid" your GF to smoke it when she's alone, only when you're around. Because that is HER choice. I mean, it's not like she's cheating on you or anything.
Of course, when I say this, I assume she does it only occasionally, but if she has a problem with it, then it is your duty as someone who cares about her to do something. But as long as she's not harming you or herself, let her be.
Note: I know you didn't outright forbid her from doing it, that's why I used quotes. But if you are worried that she's doing it behind your back, then yes, you have forbidden it, willingly or not.
Of course, when I say this, I assume she does it only occasionally, but if she has a problem with it, then it is your duty as someone who cares about her to do something. But as long as she's not harming you or herself, let her be.
Note: I know you didn't outright forbid her from doing it, that's why I used quotes. But if you are worried that she's doing it behind your back, then yes, you have forbidden it, willingly or not.
I have a friend just like you with the whole weed thing. He just will not accept it regardless of the law or anything. Then again, he also abhors smoking cigarettes and drinking.
...He makes that decision based on how he was brought up. So it's morality that tells him not to go out partying and drinking and getting high.
I realize that your mom and family and friends do all these things, but were you originally brought up to resist all these things? I was subjected to D.A.R.E which was an anti-drug initiative for all elementary school students in Miami and it worked quite well until my junior year in high school.
Perhaps you submitted to the anti-drug dogma and allowed it to soak into your brain. That isn't a bad thing entirely, but does tend to make people a bit uptight when dealing with the issue.
I'm probably wrong, but I'm making my assertion based on my friend and the info you have given.
...He makes that decision based on how he was brought up. So it's morality that tells him not to go out partying and drinking and getting high.
I realize that your mom and family and friends do all these things, but were you originally brought up to resist all these things? I was subjected to D.A.R.E which was an anti-drug initiative for all elementary school students in Miami and it worked quite well until my junior year in high school.
Perhaps you submitted to the anti-drug dogma and allowed it to soak into your brain. That isn't a bad thing entirely, but does tend to make people a bit uptight when dealing with the issue.
I'm probably wrong, but I'm making my assertion based on my friend and the info you have given.
You're... Kinda missing my point.isometry said:
All I'm saying is, is it's illegal, and if you don't want to do it or feel uncomfortable about using it, then there's your reason! I think it's perfectly reasonable to not want to do something because you don't want to face the potential legal trouble.
And in response to your second paragraph, that's not a very responsible thing to do. Vocally protesting against something you find unjust is one thing, but doing something illegal just because you think the law is stupid isn't gonna get you anywhere. When you're landed with a $300 dollar possession fine and a criminal record, you've done the exact opposite of accomplishing something.
Er, please tell me you're not saying that it's okay to do one thing that's illegal just because you can get away with doing other illegal activities.Treblaine said:
Sure, not all laws are right, but that doesn't mean you can just go breaking them willy nilly. All that will do is get you into trouble. By all means, protest the law! Rally forth others who agree with you! Make petitions, gather information, statistics! Do something professional and worthwhile, and who knows, maybe things might just change. Just going out and going against the law isn't going to accomplish anything.
Also, just because a crime is considered minor or hard to detect doesn't zero out ALL chances that you'll get caught. Of course it's a rock solid basis. Why the heck would anyone WANT to potentially get into legal trouble?
Coming from a stoner, I can see why it would bother you, particularly if you've had good friends who turned into hardcore stoners. Perhaps because it is illegal? Perhaps because it is some weird, unfamiliar, shady substance? I do not know. Don't worry about it. It's better you play it safe to stay in the army anyways.
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*cough cough* ok a lot of people here have bad facts, nothing personal but I feel I should fix a few (this isnt only directed at you).weker said:
The reason it is illegal is because of the paper industry and I'm not going to go into it but the its absolutely about money. The reason alcohol is legal is not only because its a large part of our culture but when it was illegalized in the 20s organized crime skyrocketed and people like Al Capone made a lot of money that the government coulnt tax. Literally weed has never killed a single person and it is completely non addictive, it does not lead towards a lazy person and any person who says that it was because of weed had that personality flaw to begin with. What it does do is take up time since if you are sky high (not just a bit high) you pretty much have to put off tasks. In fact in many people it increases productivity by means of keeping the user in an increased state of happiness, relaxation and openness. Meaning it takes care of the stress that makes one not want to work. It has the addictive power of about skyrim so if you absolutely love it and have a lot of access then you are probably going to spend every available hour smoking it instead of doing homework, but when your stash is all out youll be damned if you have the slightest inclination to suck dick to get more.
My point is, it would be hypocritical to abstain from weed JUST because it is illegal, then go torrent some music. Not that the entire law is bunk because a few are repeatedly ignored, just that the law as an absolute isn't sacrosanct.TakeyB0y2 said:
Arguably, you are hurting more people by piracy than by smoking a doobie. But there are many other reasons not to get recreational highs on any drugs.
"Why the heck would anyone WANT to potentially get into legal trouble?"
Same reason people pirate movies, it benefits them. It is pleasurable to smoke and the risk of apprehension is low and the punishment in many places is minor. But as far as I'm concerned that route of pleasure is one I don't want to go down, the way I see it is doesn't matter if chemicals grew in a plant cell or were synthesised in a lab, it's still artificial chemical highs and that is affecting the brain in ways the human mind is not well adapted to. That's my opinion, that's why I don't smoke it.
Remember, I live in the UK where the standard response from police on being caught with a spliff is to have it confiscated and be given a verbal warning. Over here, the law is little to no discouragement at all. The anti-drugs media and PSAs have always focused more on the personal than the legal ramifications because the law is so toothless on this.
PS: if it was illegal to covet escaping slaves, you can bet you're ass I'll break that law to covet any who needed my help. Because yeah, after sending him back to the whip it's little consolidation to say "hey, I'll make a big fuss okay? I'll start an internet petition, that'll really help you". The law is not infallible. Nothing is. But what does that have to do with weed? Nothing directly, potheads are not oppressed slaves, but they aren't hurting anyone except maybe themselves by being such jackasses, I must make that clear. But put it this way, I'm not the type of guy who will go out of their way to tattle on cannabis smokers trying to get them punished when their habit is not negatively affecting me nor anyone in society.
Well, here's my two cents on OP's situation.
Weed's unhealthy. Worse than cigarettes. Same effect on your lungs as cigarettes, but if you were to smoke as much marijuana as there is tobacco in the average cigarette, it'd be roughly the equivalent of a pack. Our laws here in the US aren't about the health issues. Well, maybe to an extent. But it was stated to e that if alcohol were more recently discovered it would be considered a narcotic. That's a culture thing, I get it. This doesn't mean I'm against it, I think people should be able to mess with their bodies as much as they like. I mean, it's theirs after all. And it's not like I've never used it. I just don't regularly because of said health concerns. Same reason I don't smoke, drink, etc.
Anyways, I was in the same situation, man. Except both my parents smoked it at one point. In my experience, as long as it's an occasional thing and you don't mind the smell, I think it's alright.
Weed's unhealthy. Worse than cigarettes. Same effect on your lungs as cigarettes, but if you were to smoke as much marijuana as there is tobacco in the average cigarette, it'd be roughly the equivalent of a pack. Our laws here in the US aren't about the health issues. Well, maybe to an extent. But it was stated to e that if alcohol were more recently discovered it would be considered a narcotic. That's a culture thing, I get it. This doesn't mean I'm against it, I think people should be able to mess with their bodies as much as they like. I mean, it's theirs after all. And it's not like I've never used it. I just don't regularly because of said health concerns. Same reason I don't smoke, drink, etc.
Anyways, I was in the same situation, man. Except both my parents smoked it at one point. In my experience, as long as it's an occasional thing and you don't mind the smell, I think it's alright.
maybe OP is surrounded by idiots who just happen to get their grubby meathook hands on weed.
tho offhand at first i may be compelled to say "ur an idiot who doesnt like to get high" but thats not a argument. that would be me stating my assumption "if you dont like something that i indulge in, you must be a square".
as to why you dont like it, i have no idea. i am not you and you are not i. if you want an explanation, have a long chat with someone experienced, regular tokers who dont smoke weed to "be cool". weed alone does not make you cool. only how you present yourself is what people will and should be led to think of you. pot to me is nothing special. its certainly not like ecstasy, shrooms or LSD in effects. however sharing a smoke with a friend and enjoying long talks and doing stupid shit is one of the best life experiences ever.
tho offhand at first i may be compelled to say "ur an idiot who doesnt like to get high" but thats not a argument. that would be me stating my assumption "if you dont like something that i indulge in, you must be a square".
as to why you dont like it, i have no idea. i am not you and you are not i. if you want an explanation, have a long chat with someone experienced, regular tokers who dont smoke weed to "be cool". weed alone does not make you cool. only how you present yourself is what people will and should be led to think of you. pot to me is nothing special. its certainly not like ecstasy, shrooms or LSD in effects. however sharing a smoke with a friend and enjoying long talks and doing stupid shit is one of the best life experiences ever.
Actually the illegalization (is that even a word....? Fuck it...you know what I mean) dates back to 1930 with Henry Anslinger.weker said:
He basically claimed that weed caused people to become violent, act irrationally and become overly sexual.
It is from this basis that the movie "Reefer Madness" was spawned, where it shows the danger of smoking weed (Oh noes!!!)
OT: Personally, I think it's your opinion to not like weed. There's nothing wrong with having that opinion, but you are correct to want to explore why it bothers you if your GF smokes it compared to your friends or mother (who ingests it).
I had a similar experience with my fiance when we first started dating. I had quit smoking after smoking for about 8 years, and she smoked. I didn't mind because that's her prerogative, but I disliked her smelling of cigarettes when we would be in the car together etc.
After a while of me not smoking and her knowing I didn't like it but was ok with it she eventually stopped.
I guess the key here is don't try and force her to stop. If she wants to do it, she will do it. If it continues to bother you then try to either explore inward about where this dislike is coming from or talk about it with her.
Good luck man
Telling someone that "if they haven't tried it they can't say anything" is really fucking stupid. That's like saying you can't make a negative comment about doing crack because you haven't used it, despite the fact that it's pretty damned obvious what the shit does to people.
My mother smokes pot and it seriously pisses me the hell off. Not cause it's illegal or anything, but because I have Asthma and it rather bothers my lungs; it also fucking stinks and I can't stand the smell. On top of that, it's not free, and we're not exactly a "well off" family, if you know what I mean.
Now, if you don't have an issue with it because of what it does, or you only think it's bad cause of what people tell you.. well, that's probably not the best way to look at it. You said your girlfriend's used it, but have you seen any negative aspects or effects in any way? If not, I'd say it's pretty harmless and you shouldn't worry if she does do it occasionally.
What I WOULD worry about is that she said she'd stop for you and kept doing it. That either means she doesn't respect you enough to honour that promise she made, or she's got an addiction to it (much like my mother). The second is probably more likely, but it could just as easily be a little of both. I'd seriously consider sitting down and talking to her.
Coming right out and saying "Look, I'm sure it isn't true.. but every once in a while I feel a little niggling doubt in the back of my mind. Please be honest with me, are you still smoking pot occasionally?" is probably your best course of action.
If she gives you an honest answer, and if yes gives a valid explanation why, then that's a good sign. If she is clearly trying to beat around the bush, change the subject, or even gets overly defensive, I'd be more concerned.
Again, don't listen to people telling you to use it, cause that's just gods-damned stupid on their part and highly irresponsible. But don't condemn it just cause someone told you it was bad with no real, scientifically documented evidence that it's evil and needs to die. And even then, do some honest research yourself and you'd realize it's fairly harmless besides being smelly and bothering people with asthma.
BTW, it isn't so much the pot itself that bothers my asthma. It's the fact there's smoke in the air, regardless if you can see it, and it's screwing with the available oxygen. That and you can kinda taste it in the air. Much like cigarette smoke, the steam coming out of restaurants, and an active fireplace.
My mother smokes pot and it seriously pisses me the hell off. Not cause it's illegal or anything, but because I have Asthma and it rather bothers my lungs; it also fucking stinks and I can't stand the smell. On top of that, it's not free, and we're not exactly a "well off" family, if you know what I mean.
Now, if you don't have an issue with it because of what it does, or you only think it's bad cause of what people tell you.. well, that's probably not the best way to look at it. You said your girlfriend's used it, but have you seen any negative aspects or effects in any way? If not, I'd say it's pretty harmless and you shouldn't worry if she does do it occasionally.
What I WOULD worry about is that she said she'd stop for you and kept doing it. That either means she doesn't respect you enough to honour that promise she made, or she's got an addiction to it (much like my mother). The second is probably more likely, but it could just as easily be a little of both. I'd seriously consider sitting down and talking to her.
Coming right out and saying "Look, I'm sure it isn't true.. but every once in a while I feel a little niggling doubt in the back of my mind. Please be honest with me, are you still smoking pot occasionally?" is probably your best course of action.
If she gives you an honest answer, and if yes gives a valid explanation why, then that's a good sign. If she is clearly trying to beat around the bush, change the subject, or even gets overly defensive, I'd be more concerned.
Again, don't listen to people telling you to use it, cause that's just gods-damned stupid on their part and highly irresponsible. But don't condemn it just cause someone told you it was bad with no real, scientifically documented evidence that it's evil and needs to die. And even then, do some honest research yourself and you'd realize it's fairly harmless besides being smelly and bothering people with asthma.
BTW, it isn't so much the pot itself that bothers my asthma. It's the fact there's smoke in the air, regardless if you can see it, and it's screwing with the available oxygen. That and you can kinda taste it in the air. Much like cigarette smoke, the steam coming out of restaurants, and an active fireplace.
Since marihuana can meanwhile be legally prescribed, I would want to think of it being just as both enjoyable and harmful as drinking or smoking, which is usually not at all if done in moderation.
I've gone through some weird accidents followed with bouts of tremendous pain, killing cramps and other assorted ailments myself. The pills the doctor could and would prescribe helped a bit, but came with a boatload of new problems and issues that basically just replaced the problems I started out with. Smoking weed moderately did help alleviate both the pain and the cramps - and almost instantly so, and I got to know a wide range of very different people that used weed therapeutically in the process.
I was amazed, to be honest. Still, those folks are a silent minority of weed users who do it because they have a proper reason beyond enjoying the altered state sought by confused, annoyed or anti-social youth. Most of those with medical problems that don't go away, ever, enjoy the healing and soothing effects of the drug in a smoke-free form, so there's no tobacco or open fire involved, just vapor.
There are people who enjoy alcohol, and others who get rather mental and very sick from it. There's an impressively long list of what damage excessive alcohol consumption can do to body and mind.
There are people who enjoy smoking tobacco. I happen to like the non-inhaling varieties to keep my given set of lungs functional, but the smoke could still give me plenty of cancer in the mouth, the throat or any place else. So smoking, in the end, doesn't seem that cool to me, really.
A big problem with weed - beyond the legal implications - is that almost everyone who enjoys its effect is smoking it. While I have met a few people who have behaved rather strangely while under the effect, most people tend to get either a little bit too happy for their own good or they get a bad spell of mañana, which could cost them their relationship, their job, their everything.
So, while I generally don't think asking complete strangers on the web what to do is an excellent idea to begin with, my thoughts on the matter would distill to this: Couples either manage to accept each other as they are and live happily ever after, or they try to change each other, which is always second best to changing oneself. If your education, job or whatever background makes you intolerant not to the drug smuggling problem, the drug dealing problem, but the - suspected - drug consumption problem in your relationship, it's an issue that warrants to decidedly look the other way or discuss it in proper, once and thorougly, not every time envy or fears invade because of lingering issues big and small.
I've gone through some weird accidents followed with bouts of tremendous pain, killing cramps and other assorted ailments myself. The pills the doctor could and would prescribe helped a bit, but came with a boatload of new problems and issues that basically just replaced the problems I started out with. Smoking weed moderately did help alleviate both the pain and the cramps - and almost instantly so, and I got to know a wide range of very different people that used weed therapeutically in the process.
I was amazed, to be honest. Still, those folks are a silent minority of weed users who do it because they have a proper reason beyond enjoying the altered state sought by confused, annoyed or anti-social youth. Most of those with medical problems that don't go away, ever, enjoy the healing and soothing effects of the drug in a smoke-free form, so there's no tobacco or open fire involved, just vapor.
There are people who enjoy alcohol, and others who get rather mental and very sick from it. There's an impressively long list of what damage excessive alcohol consumption can do to body and mind.
There are people who enjoy smoking tobacco. I happen to like the non-inhaling varieties to keep my given set of lungs functional, but the smoke could still give me plenty of cancer in the mouth, the throat or any place else. So smoking, in the end, doesn't seem that cool to me, really.
A big problem with weed - beyond the legal implications - is that almost everyone who enjoys its effect is smoking it. While I have met a few people who have behaved rather strangely while under the effect, most people tend to get either a little bit too happy for their own good or they get a bad spell of mañana, which could cost them their relationship, their job, their everything.
So, while I generally don't think asking complete strangers on the web what to do is an excellent idea to begin with, my thoughts on the matter would distill to this: Couples either manage to accept each other as they are and live happily ever after, or they try to change each other, which is always second best to changing oneself. If your education, job or whatever background makes you intolerant not to the drug smuggling problem, the drug dealing problem, but the - suspected - drug consumption problem in your relationship, it's an issue that warrants to decidedly look the other way or discuss it in proper, once and thorougly, not every time envy or fears invade because of lingering issues big and small.
This is exactly what occurred to me when I read the post. Social conditioning can really play tricks with your mind. I smoke every now and then, but I still get the feeling that marijuana is somehow 'scummier' and less acceptable than alcohol. Logically, I understand that its really a matter of apples and oranges, but the fact that the stuff is illegal makes me feel like I should hold it in dubious esteem. Incidentally, I think that this fact makes people get into harder drugs, seeing as this whole underground mystique that surrounds them also encompasses pot.StarStruckStrumpets said:
Rolling a joint containing marijuana is the equivalent of rolling a joint containing nicotine both produce smoke that contains harmful chemicals, just like burning anything. The primary way these drugs is taken is harmful as it encourages cancer and damage to the lungs. this is not the drug, it is the smoke.
Concerning the drugs:
Nicotine can encourage cancers, however is less harmful in the short term and will not cause you to act in a way that could harm yourself Nicotine is more addictive, although a few find it not addictive at all in measured quantities.
Marijuana can reduce 'some' cancer, but is more harmful in the short term than nicotine and can lead to you doing harm to yourself (dependant on the person). Marijuana is less addictive, although some can become highly addicted to it, but this is usually at an experiential level, not a chemical level.
[b/]The reality is that any drug is harmful, both in the way it works in the body, and the way it is ingested and to compare them is really a waste of time. If you do want to take harmful drugs there is a large collection of legal ones to occupy your time with... and you wont risk a criminal charge.[/b]
Concerning the drugs:
Nicotine can encourage cancers, however is less harmful in the short term and will not cause you to act in a way that could harm yourself Nicotine is more addictive, although a few find it not addictive at all in measured quantities.
Marijuana can reduce 'some' cancer, but is more harmful in the short term than nicotine and can lead to you doing harm to yourself (dependant on the person). Marijuana is less addictive, although some can become highly addicted to it, but this is usually at an experiential level, not a chemical level.
[b/]The reality is that any drug is harmful, both in the way it works in the body, and the way it is ingested and to compare them is really a waste of time. If you do want to take harmful drugs there is a large collection of legal ones to occupy your time with... and you wont risk a criminal charge.[/b]
Actually I'm in support of legalization for the same reasons. Like I said I have no problem with the idea of people wanting to use it as a recreational activity. I was merely offering a counter to your statement "drugs (weed specifically) make you friendly". As I believe it has more to do with the individual than with the drug itself.xXGeckoXx said:
To reiterate I have no problem with the recreational aspect of smoking so long as I'm not liable and don't have to smell it. I do have a problem when people claim unfounded benefits of smoking. I especially find it annoying when avid smokers/supporters start talking about it like some sort of holy grail type construct. While you haven't done this to a great extent so many smokers/supports do.
*shrug* it's worse than cigarettes, anywhere from 2 to 20 depending on how much the person you ask hates weed, with 20 being the fox news guesstimate.
Then again, i guess you don't see someone smoke 20 joints in four hours, either. At least, someone who isn't going to the hospital very shortly.
Affects entirely different regions than alcohol does, so it's hard to say which is worse.
It's not physically addictive like more dangerous "substances" are, but it is addictive. You won't go through detox like alcohol, but you'll have the same mental issues people quitting tobacco have, at the least.
All it boils down to is that it's completely fine in moderation, however no society on earth is moral enough to be trusted to moderate anything they do, so rather than let another vice dig it's claws into the economy, it might be best to just leave it strictly available for medical uses, and that's it.
Then again, i guess you don't see someone smoke 20 joints in four hours, either. At least, someone who isn't going to the hospital very shortly.
Affects entirely different regions than alcohol does, so it's hard to say which is worse.
It's not physically addictive like more dangerous "substances" are, but it is addictive. You won't go through detox like alcohol, but you'll have the same mental issues people quitting tobacco have, at the least.
All it boils down to is that it's completely fine in moderation, however no society on earth is moral enough to be trusted to moderate anything they do, so rather than let another vice dig it's claws into the economy, it might be best to just leave it strictly available for medical uses, and that's it.
Pretty simple, stop being a douche about it. especially when you don't even have a reason to be a douche about it.
Perhaps you're afraid that, as an illegal drug, it will act as a gateway to other, much worse illegal drugs such as cocaine or heroin. If this is actually the case and I'm not just talking bullshit, I'd advise you not to worry. People are capable of making informed decisions about what they do and don't want to do without the government's help. Most weed smokers draw the line at LSD or ecstasy. I hope this is a comfort to you.