Mass Effect 3 Fans Will Find Closure June 26th

[Hat Man]

I'm not holding my breath. In fact I'm expecting a smoldering pile of manure.

See just how bad ME3 was opened my eyes to the steady drop in duality of their game since their acquisition by EA.

 

[Elamdri]

First spoiler is out. Shitstorm has already begun

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12693643/1

So they explain why Joker is acting out of character and being a coward. Bioware, I'll hold off my final opinion on the DLC until it comes out but it's already not looking good.

How are you getting "Joker is acting out of character and being a coward" Out of "Meet up at the Rendezvous point"?

 

[Elamdri]

DAMN IT! So the explanation for why Joker was flying the Normandy through a mass effect relay was that he was being a coward and somehow teleported my companions to him while at the same time leaving my apparent corpse behind?

Yeah that fits in with the overall thematic and narrative structure of the Mass Effect Trilogy just like the ending -_-

Again, where are you getting the "Being a coward" thing from? This is confusing me greatly.

 

[Elamdri]

1. A better explanation of the Reaper's motivations. Right now, it doesn't make any fucking sense. As we all know. I'm not going to get into it.

That's actually the reason the ending fails in my opinion. Giving the Reapers a motivation is a BAD idea. The monster is always scarier when it is UNKNOWABLE. When you give the monster a motivation, it stops being scary. The Reapers should just kill and harvest us because that's just what they do.

2. A better explanation of what the flying fuck that kid even IS. Is he a reaper? Is the Citadel? Is the the Citadel a Reaper? Is he the entire Reaper Hive Mind? All of the above? What the fuck is he? (Preferably something NOT stupid)

He's the AI that controls the Reapers. He says so much in the game. Hell, I think that's the clearest part of the entire "Bad" part of the ending.

3. The removal of the bit where Joker ends up on a random planet. Barring total removal, I would at least like a better explanation for why he's running, how my squad got there, how he even SURVIVES, etc. But even if they explain all that, it won't stop that entire thing from being INCREDIBLY anti-climactic. So Joker has to bone my (lesbian) love interest to repopulate the species, huh? Gee, how fucking inspiring. Oh, and I guess Garrus get's to watch. He sure as hell has nothing better to do. Yeah, that's a great final moment of the series.

I do think they need to explain why squad members that were with you when you are rushing the Citadel beam are suddenly on the Normandy. That's about my only gripe with that scene.

 

[Frankster]

How are you getting "Joker is acting out of character and being a coward" Out of "Meet up at the Rendezvous point"?

At the risk of turning this into a full spoiler discussion thread

Spoiler

Summary of main points i got from reading the forums:
This was a do or die mission where no one knew what the crucible was or what it did, and original bttle plan was to guard it until it fired. So the whole "meet up at rendez vous point" sounds shoved in already, meet up and regroup for what? If they blew it there, there would be no 2nd try.

On joker acting out of character=seems quite a few are saying joker wouldn't abandon sheperd, period.
So overall reception on BSN is...not welcoming xD

Personally i'll wait till it's on youtube.

 

[zombiesinc]

I wasn't expecting a firm release date until July, so finding out it'll be available for download in less than four days is great. I wasn't impressed with the ending to Mass Effect 3 so hopefully this... makes the glaring plot holes a little less... glaring?

Regardless, I'm just hoping it'll help but I'm not expecting a miracle.

 

[MortisLegio]

First spoiler is out. Shitstorm has already begun

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12693643/1

So they explain why Joker is acting out of character and being a coward. Bioware, I'll hold off my final opinion on the DLC until it comes out but it's already not looking good.

How are you getting "Joker is acting out of character and being a coward" Out of "Meet up at the Rendezvous point"?

Joker wouldn't ever abandon Shepard. No matter if it meant risking the ship, crew, or himself. Joker would stay if not try to pick up Shepard. He wouldn't get an order to run, say "Yes sir." and fly off unless Shepard ordered him to. Now if that happens in the DLC, cool but by that screenshot we get order to run and in the already made ending Joker runs. That's also why I said I will wait to make my final opinion until I play/see it. But by that one screen it's not looking like this ending is going to make (most) people happy.

 

[Elamdri]

How are you getting "Joker is acting out of character and being a coward" Out of "Meet up at the Rendezvous point"?

At the risk of turning this into a full spoiler discussion thread

Spoiler

Summary of main points i got from reading the forums:
This was a do or die mission where no one knew what the crucible was or what it did, and original bttle plan was to guard it until it fired. So the whole "meet up at rendez vous point" sounds shoved in already, meet up and regroup for what? If they blew it there, there would be no 2nd try.

On joker acting out of character=seems quite a few are saying joker wouldn't abandon sheperd, period.
So overall reception on BSN is...not welcoming xD

Personally i'll wait till it's on youtube.

Spoiler

I think people are reading in the whole "Joker is ABANDONING Shepard" part. At the start of the assault, Joker drops off Shepard and leaves to rejoin SWORD. Was that "ABANDONING" Shepard? No.

All you have in that picture is one line of dialogue. That's it. There isn't anything to imply that Joker has any reason to believe that Shepard is in any kind of danger or hell, if Joker even knows where Shepard is at that point. So to say that Joker is 'Abandoning' Shepard is pure conjecture on the part of the posters.

 

[Elamdri]

How are you getting "Joker is acting out of character and being a coward" Out of "Meet up at the Rendezvous point"?

Joker wouldn't ever abandon Shepard. No matter if it meant risking the ship, crew, or himself. Joker would stay if not try to pick up Shepard. He wouldn't get an order to run, say "Yes sir." and fly off unless Shepard ordered him to. Now if that happens in the DLC, cool but by that screenshot we get order to run and in the already made ending Joker runs. That's also why I said I will wait to make my final opinion until I play/see it. But by that one screen it's not looking like this ending is going to make (most) people happy.

But what about the ending of Mass Effect 2 where Shepard dies? He just falls from the Normandy and Joker ABANDONS him!?!?

*eye roll*

I don't think this can be interpreted as Joker "Abandoning" Shepard. There are far too many unknowns to be making conjectures like that.

 

[MortisLegio]

How are you getting "Joker is acting out of character and being a coward" Out of "Meet up at the Rendezvous point"?

Joker wouldn't ever abandon Shepard. No matter if it meant risking the ship, crew, or himself. Joker would stay if not try to pick up Shepard. He wouldn't get an order to run, say "Yes sir." and fly off unless Shepard ordered him to. Now if that happens in the DLC, cool but by that screenshot we get order to run and in the already made ending Joker runs. That's also why I said I will wait to make my final opinion until I play/see it. But by that one screen it's not looking like this ending is going to make (most) people happy.

But what about the ending of Mass Effect 2 where Shepard dies? He just falls from the Normandy and Joker ABANDONS him!?!?

*eye roll*

I don't think this can be interpreted as Joker "Abandoning" Shepard. There are far too many unknowns to be making conjectures like that.

Oh, you mean where Shepard TELLS Joker to run? I said the only person that could have Joker leave Shepard behind is Shepard. Also, I said I haven't made up my mind on it yet (because we don't know the entirety of the scene) but with what knowledge we have it isn't looking good.

 

[Frankster]

Spoiler

I think people are reading in the whole "Joker is ABANDONING Shepard" part. At the start of the assault, Joker drops off Shepard and leaves to rejoin SWORD. Was that "ABANDONING" Shepard? No.

All you have in that picture is one line of dialogue. That's it. There isn't anything to imply that Joker has any reason to believe that Shepard is in any kind of danger or hell, if Joker even knows where Shepard is at that point. So to say that Joker is 'Abandoning' Shepard is pure conjecture on the part of the posters.

Spoiler

Oh I agree it's definitly conjecture at it's finest
But it's fun to see people's speculations and counter arguments and see how it matches up to the real thing in the end.
Best explanation i found so far, on this thread I think is Sheperd actually manages to call Joker back and orders him to leave for x reason.
Still waiting for a good explanation on teleporting team mates though.

 

[EXos]

Well lets see what biowEAre have done. Personally as a writer myself I found the ending to be badly written.
It's a weak Deus Ex Machina; something that you come up with in a drunken stupor.
The concept could have worked if they had added a bit more variety and some actual storytelling. If they would have put in a little effort and did more than just change the color of the explosion.

So I hope that is what these 1.9 gigs contain.

I'm a little hopeful but for the rest a cold hearted skeptical

 

[johnnnny guitar]

First spoiler is out. Shitstorm has already begun

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12693643/1

okay well that crushed what little hopes down of what I had for the Extended Cut down to a pebble stone.

still I hope the internet gets angry at bioware at even a 5th the amount they did with the original ending because last time was so hilarious.

And this should turn that stone into sand

Re: Length of DLC

https://twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/216297244826157057

I have an usettling feeling that the sand will be sucked into my vacuum cleaner along with a broken Mass effect 3 disc

 

[Antonio Torrente]

for more clarification here's the said image.

And why the hell does Hackett want Joker to leave the Sol system?
We'll just to find out when EC comes out.

(capcha: kiss me) Bioware better not screw this up or they can kiss my ass.

 

[Elamdri]

How are you getting "Joker is acting out of character and being a coward" Out of "Meet up at the Rendezvous point"?

Joker wouldn't ever abandon Shepard. No matter if it meant risking the ship, crew, or himself. Joker would stay if not try to pick up Shepard. He wouldn't get an order to run, say "Yes sir." and fly off unless Shepard ordered him to. Now if that happens in the DLC, cool but by that screenshot we get order to run and in the already made ending Joker runs. That's also why I said I will wait to make my final opinion until I play/see it. But by that one screen it's not looking like this ending is going to make (most) people happy.

But what about the ending of Mass Effect 2 where Shepard dies? He just falls from the Normandy and Joker ABANDONS him!?!?

*eye roll*

I don't think this can be interpreted as Joker "Abandoning" Shepard. There are far too many unknowns to be making conjectures like that.

Oh, you mean where Shepard TELLS Joker to run? I said the only person that could have Joker leave Shepard behind is Shepard. Also, I said I haven't made up my mind on it yet (because we don't know the entirety of the scene) but with what knowledge we have it isn't looking good.

No way man, Joker is so loyal to Shepard that he wouldn't even abandon Shepard for Shepard! Wait. Where were we going with this?

My point is that I think the community (As usually) is running around like a panicky, bunch of pillocks without stopping to even think. Let the damn DLC come out before starting the inevitable QQ at the very least.

 

[Elamdri]

Spoiler

I think people are reading in the whole "Joker is ABANDONING Shepard" part. At the start of the assault, Joker drops off Shepard and leaves to rejoin SWORD. Was that "ABANDONING" Shepard? No.

All you have in that picture is one line of dialogue. That's it. There isn't anything to imply that Joker has any reason to believe that Shepard is in any kind of danger or hell, if Joker even knows where Shepard is at that point. So to say that Joker is 'Abandoning' Shepard is pure conjecture on the part of the posters.

Spoiler

Oh I agree it's definitly conjecture at it's finest
But it's fun to see people's speculations and counter arguments and see how it matches up to the real thing in the end.
Best explanation i found so far, on this thread I think is Sheperd actually manages to call Joker back and orders him to leave for x reason.
Still waiting for a good explanation on teleporting team mates though.

Yeah, THAT one is going to take some fixing.

 

[Harold Hansen]

Iterations that require separate games to see?? Milk the franchise? Yes please, EA! And there it is, but it doesn't matter to me why the ending is what it is. It still harvests organic civilizations.

Captcha: make a bee-line

 

[kordo]

What a cop out. Goes to show - if geeks cry hard enough, companies like Bioware will bend over and take it sans lube.

 

[Metalrocks]

hmm, either i get it in a few days in hong kong or i have to wait till the 4th of july my self. im really wondering how much they will answer in this DLC. very last chance for me to keep the games all together.