Mass Effect 3 will be incomplete
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Noted. This is why I tend to steer clear of these things.Daystar Clarion said:
I'm sure he'll consider this a 'win' now that I'm just ignoring him.
I find myself not giving a fuck.
Yes, yes it's right!Zeel said:
There are plenty of businesses that let you purchase additional extra's for their product, besides it's main use.
Phone companies let you buy additional software all the time.
Hell, some might already be on the phone but in order to use it, you'll have to pay.
It's why they are called EXTRA.
Now, because you believe this isn't an extra, but a part of the whole product, and other people disagree. As earlier DLC-characters have proven. Then maybe you're perspective on what is an extra and what isn't is a bit sided.
More personal attacks?Zeel said:
You really don't want to be here, do you?
You presented points, yes, but none of them were absolutely correct. You're just as guilty of supposition as the people you claim are wrong.
The Kasumi DLC cost a similar amount. I was pretty disappointed with the quality of the mission and the character. Why was there no recruitment mission to further flesh out the DLC characters? Why couldn't the DLC characters engage in proper conversation? The Shepard voice actors must charge a pretty penny for a few bits of dialogue...Zeel said:
This Prothean DLC is clearly a marketing ploy to boost intial revenue. EA/Bioware knows how intregral the Protheans are to the Mass Effect lore, and they know many will not be able to resist something as "controversial" (perhaps not the right word) as a prothean squadmate (probably using the popularity of Legion as a gauge of success). I expect consumers will get a worthless tacked-on character and mission that was really designed to add an extra &10 to the base purchase price. I doubt they hacked anything integral off the base game, but it is a similarily low tactic...
Maybe I am not understanding this but it seems like this is an evolution to Project $10. With Project $10 buying new got you the Day 1 DLC for free and now they have moved to this where the Day 1 DLC is only free to those who buy the CE (but they are still paying for it).
Actually there are a lot industries that do that. The auto industry does it. You want heated seats? that is going to cost extra.Zeel said:
Housing Industry. You want nice hardwood floors in your new house? Well that is going to cost extra.
Food industry- you want extra cheese? that is going to cost extra.
I know you are going to say. Hey that is not the same thing! but it is exactly the same thing. Extra time money and resources were spent developing that content. It is not something that is required to finish the game. So why can't they charge more for their effort to provide you a little extra experience.
I think people are under the impression that some big wig walks into the studio and goes hey we need to have some day 1 DLC to charges to customers 10 dollars for so go ahead and cut this part out of the game. When more then likely the decision to add day 1 DLC was more then likely made long before the actual DLC existed.
I must admit, I'm not entirely sure what "HASAHHHHHHAAA" is supposed to mean.Zeel said:
If by "debunked" you mean "threw one of your signature textual tantrums and quickly resorted to hurling insults" then yes, you certainly did that.
As for time and budget...
- DLC projects get their own budget, which is recouped through the purchasing price of that DLC.
- The time is the downtime, often to the tune of 6 months or so, in which content creators would usually be either twiddling their thumbs, looking for a new job or working on other projects while the QA programmers do their thing and await licensing approval.
Calm down, seriously.Zeel said:
Crazy stuff.
Anyway, this DLC doesn't sound so great anyway. If I don't buy a version that doesn't have it free I'll probably just not buy it. No big deal.
And if people don't buy it, maybe EA will pay attention to them or something.
Who knows.
In reverse order: "Integral" as in if you removed them from the game, it would be drastically different. That will likely not be the case here. As I mentioned, you'll miss out on a sidequest or two and a bit more lore, beyond that the game will be exactly the same regardless of if this character is on your squad or not.Zeel said:
As for the second issue, Zaeed didn't come with the game, he came with Cerberus Network, which was only free if you bought the game new...and I seem to recall they even stopped giving out the Cerberus Network with game sales a few months after release, could be wrong on that part. So he was not free with any purchase as if you bought the game used you'd have to buy Cerberus Network to get him.
The game is full. The game is complete. You just seem to be another EA hater (not that you're not justified in hating them) that feels like flipping out over every announcement as though EA personally came to your house and murdered your hamster. So yeah, if missing out on one sidequest that will ultimately not have a greater impact on the story as a whole (this being based off of previous Bioware DLC characters) means the game is "incomplete", then don't buy the game. It's that simple.
Quite frankly I think the reason people are getting so upset about this isn't because EA is "dicing up the game and selling it to us in pieces", but rather the simple fact that the bonus character for buying the Collect's Edition is a Prothean. If it was another human merc like Zaeed, I doubt everyone would be up in arms about this. Personally I'm actually rather happy that they're doing this.
It goes back to my previous post and the quote from myself that I pulled from another one of these topics:
Change your perspective and it's actually a rather gracious move: rather than making this character exclusive for those people who shell out for the Collector's Edition, they're actually offering it to the general public as well. He's one of the many free bonuses that come with the CE, and that's perfectly fine. As I'm NOT getting the CE, I'm glad that I at least have the option to pick up this character if I so desire rather than it being "Nope, screw you for not buying the CE. No Prothean for you!"RJ 17 said:
I was attacking your argument, not you. As such, to avoid getting drawn into the same song and dance many people did in the thread you were suspended on, I advised someone that it was just easier and less stressful to ignore your points completely.Zeel said:
At no time did I attack your cognitive ability to receive information. 'Learn to read' is about as condescending as you can be.
I'm getting really tired of seeing this kind of thing on a few forums where I come. I really don't get why people think 1 Prothean could make any difference to the story.
Ok, I know the are all extinct and now 1 is alive, so he must know everything the entire Prothean race knew right? And he super duper powerfull. Right? He must also have a way to destroy every Reaper he sees. RIGHT? He must also know where there is some powerfull ship that the Protheans made to defeat the Reapers. Or even a whole fleet. RIGHT? RIGHT?!
WRONG!!!!
Some people don't seem to realise that one Prothean wouldn't make any difference to the story. He was probably a civilian or even a soldier of no note. He probably doesn't know anything of use, except maybe how that remote works they found in some ruine.
And those who say it doesn't fit the story because he wouldn't have been able to get a stasis pod ready and hidden before the Reapers came. Those people really need to remember Ilso. They tried that on a whole research colony and it worked.
So the game will not be incomplete because there is day 1 DLC. You probably won't even notice it. Is it a dick move of EA/Bioware. Yes, of course.
Sorry if someone else already said all these things, but I haven't even troubled myself with reading all the posts.
Ok, I know the are all extinct and now 1 is alive, so he must know everything the entire Prothean race knew right? And he super duper powerfull. Right? He must also have a way to destroy every Reaper he sees. RIGHT? He must also know where there is some powerfull ship that the Protheans made to defeat the Reapers. Or even a whole fleet. RIGHT? RIGHT?!
WRONG!!!!
Some people don't seem to realise that one Prothean wouldn't make any difference to the story. He was probably a civilian or even a soldier of no note. He probably doesn't know anything of use, except maybe how that remote works they found in some ruine.
And those who say it doesn't fit the story because he wouldn't have been able to get a stasis pod ready and hidden before the Reapers came. Those people really need to remember Ilso. They tried that on a whole research colony and it worked.
So the game will not be incomplete because there is day 1 DLC. You probably won't even notice it. Is it a dick move of EA/Bioware. Yes, of course.
Sorry if someone else already said all these things, but I haven't even troubled myself with reading all the posts.
Its not a removal of content. The content in question was created AFTER the game went Gold IE AFTER it started getting put on discs. This was done by a complete separate group than who made the game. The game is in and of itself complete. This IS NOT removal of content this is adding content after the game was already completed.Zeel said:
The only one really mudding up the issue is the OP and all the people jumping on the I HATE BIOWARE bandwagon because they refused to do a little bit of research into the DLC to find that out. I mean theres a post above you that actually points this out.
Here I will even quote him in so you don't have to look too hard.
tendaji said:
From what I understand, the Prothean is going to be an important part of the story (of course he is, it's a freaking Prothean!). All the DLC does is spoil the surprise that there is going to be a Prothean in the game, and also allow you have have the Prothean as a squadmate. If you don't get the DLC, you are still going to interact with the Prothean (because HE IS A PROTHEAN!).
The one thing I'm really unsure about is why they've made the Prothean look like a collector. From all the evidence that we've collected in the first two Mass Effect games, there is absolutely no reason why the Prothean would look like a collector. Yes the collectors are protheans that have been modified by the Reapers. But the thing is, they were heavily modified! Collectors and Protheans are barely similar at all. Mordin talks about it a lot in ME2. Then there is the Prothean VI in ME1 on Ilos. You would think that the Protheans would make their VI look like themselves? It doesn't make sense why the Prothean looks like a collector, it's going to take some serious explaining in ME3. There is even pictures of what are possibly Protheans during the hallucinations that Shepard gets from the conduit, that show that they look absolutely nothing like collectors.
The one thing I'm really unsure about is why they've made the Prothean look like a collector. From all the evidence that we've collected in the first two Mass Effect games, there is absolutely no reason why the Prothean would look like a collector. Yes the collectors are protheans that have been modified by the Reapers. But the thing is, they were heavily modified! Collectors and Protheans are barely similar at all. Mordin talks about it a lot in ME2. Then there is the Prothean VI in ME1 on Ilos. You would think that the Protheans would make their VI look like themselves? It doesn't make sense why the Prothean looks like a collector, it's going to take some serious explaining in ME3. There is even pictures of what are possibly Protheans during the hallucinations that Shepard gets from the conduit, that show that they look absolutely nothing like collectors.
Bitching is time hounoured tradition, from when man first bitched about his wheel not being round enough, or that the guy who discovered fire sold out by charging people for it's use.Smithburg said:
People will *****, I'm guilty of it just as much as anyone, and I will know I'm bitching.
It's when the bitchers don't realise they're bitching, that's the problem.
(Whoops, missed this earlier. Edited-in quotes don't show up in forum inbox.)SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Thing is, how do you know he's a central element to the story without having played it? Because "HE'S A FUCKING PROTHEAN" doesn't quite cut it in my book. His significance or lack thereof depends on how the story is structured and what role he plays.
If it turns out that he is in some way a vital pat of the game, then sure, that's some shady price gouging right there. In wouldn't effect me personally, but I can see why it would get people grumpy enough to complain about it on the internet.
Lastly, come to think of it, if he was so very vital to the plot, why would they hand him over to the DLC team? Surely the smart thing to do would be to get the vital stuff done first.
