Matt Gaetz accused of sex trafficking a minor, immediately throws Tucker Carlson under bus.

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Is it just me or does the right wing defense of Gaetz seem a little half-hearted?
Gaetz, like Trump, Cruz, Graham, Hawley, Powell, are all useful idiots. They're rabid, barely literate attack dogs who will say or do anything on Fox news and change headlines while Republicans write bills to restrict voting and repeal Emancipation. The second they're no longer useful or used goods, they toss them aside. There are a thousand loud, cross-eyed little nitwits like Matt Gaetz waiting in the wings of the party, willing to say or do anything for fame and attention, that haven't yet been accused of raping a child or being gay.
 

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Is it just me or does the right wing defense of Gaetz seem a little half-hearted?
If so that's possibly not a good sign for Gaetz, because it suggests there might be at least some skeleton in his closet. From what I've read, this investigation goes as far back as the Trump administration, so the Republicans might have an idea if there's anything that looks like bad news.

Of course, other possibilities it's just it's just the topic of accusation is so unpleasant they just don't want to go anywhere near it one way or the other and give it more oxygen. Or they think Gaetz is a tool, and are happy for him to squirm.
 

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What is their defense?
Thus far? Not much. Allegedly even his colleagues hate him because not only is he a self-absorbed, selfie-seeking frat-rat, if the stories are to be believed he's also a boozing, drugged up cunthound with a penchant for younger women.
 

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Thus far? Not much. Allegedly even his colleagues hate him because not only is he a self-absorbed, selfie-seeking frat-rat, if the stories are to be believed he's also a boozing, drugged up cunthound with a penchant for younger women.
Its funny, the same can be said of Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, Lindsey Graham if we change it to younger boys, Joni Ernst and Rand Paul. Its almost as if a certain type of person finds a platform in the Republican party.
 

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Its funny, the same can be said of Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, Lindsey Graham if we change it to younger boys, Joni Ernst and Rand Paul. Its almost as if a certain type of person finds a platform in the Republican party.
Well yeah, they just utter the words "god, 'murica, jobs, family" and that's about all the average republican voter registers. "He's a good boy! A good christian boy! I'll vote for him!" and then they just go and snort blow off a cuban pool boys asscrack, and call it a day.
 

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Well yeah, they just utter the words "god, 'murica, jobs, family" and that's about all the average republican voter registers. "He's a good boy! A good christian boy! I'll vote for him!" and then they just go and snort blow off a cuban pool boys asscrack, and call it a day.
And guns. Don't forget guns. I know a lot of people here in Missouri are 1 issue voters, guns. They can hate Trump with a fiery passion of a million stars and think he's corrupt and a Russian agent and rapes children, etc...but they'd still vote for him over Biden because of a singular fear of losing their guns.
And if you talk to them they will admit yes, absolutely, they are more loyal to their guns than the country. They'd rather see the country fall into Fallout wastelands of roving bandits and mutants, than reach a Star Trek utopia without the second amendment.
 

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And guns. Don't forget guns. I know a lot of people here in Missouri are 1 issue voters, guns. They can hate Trump with a fiery passion of a million stars and think he's corrupt and a Russian agent and rapes children, etc...but they'd still vote for him over Biden because of a singular fear of losing their guns.
And if you talk to them they will admit yes, absolutely, they are more loyal to their guns than the country. They'd rather see the country fall into Fallout wastelands of roving bandits and mutants, than reach a Star Trek utopia without the second amendment.
Well of course they want a Fallout wasteland, that will give them the justification to use their guns! They're all secretly wanting to be Rambo/John McClain, and live out a Red Dawn power fantasy where they justify their masculinity through a pile of "outsider" corpses. I've lost count of people I overhear at work, when the subject of home security come up, who are literally just frothing at the mouth, for a chance to kill someone who breaks into their home. It's not a last resort defense for them, it's the first resort, and they won't try and just deter you, they're going to fucking KILL YOU. And to hear them describe it, to even ATTEMPT to not kill someone, is somehow a cardinal sin. Like a "real man" won't do that, they'll just kill a fucker, 'cause MURICA!! WHOOOOO! And I fucking promise you, the district that makes up Gaetz voting block, is heavily from that mindset.
 

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Well of course they want a Fallout wasteland, that will give them the justification to use their guns! They're all secretly wanting to be Rambo/John McClain, and live out a Red Dawn power fantasy where they justify their masculinity through a pile of "outsider" corpses. I've lost count of people I overhear at work, when the subject of home security come up, who are literally just frothing at the mouth, for a chance to kill someone who breaks into their home. It's not a last resort defense for them, it's the first resort, and they won't try and just deter you, they're going to fucking KILL YOU. And to hear them describe it, to even ATTEMPT to not kill someone, is somehow a cardinal sin. Like a "real man" won't do that, they'll just kill a fucker, 'cause MURICA!! WHOOOOO! And I fucking promise you, the district that makes up Gaetz voting block, is heavily from that mindset.
The only thing creepier in my experience than an arch-conservative talking about their gun fantasies is an arch-conservative talking about sex in any way.
 

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The only thing creepier in my experience than an arch-conservative talking about their gun fantasies is an arch-conservative talking about sex in any way.
Here's a legit thought, is it just about domination? That these men, and some women lets be fair, of the militant conservative bent are just interested in dominated other humans? Sexually, politically, financially, or in the case of the gun-nuts at least violently if not just out right dominating someone's right to be alive?
That's its no an ideology of, well...ideas, so much as just a primal need to take from other humans and be seen as superior/untouchable?
Like Trump didn't want to be president, he can barely read, doesn't understand politics, law, international trade, strategy, tactics, infrastructure, medical care, taxes, nothing. He barely knows if he's shit himself and exists in 10 min windows if the producers of the Apprentice are to be believed. But what he does know, and wanted, was simply to be the most dominant man in the room. Everything else was so much noise, it was all about just everyone having to call you sir, and any pussy is up for grabs.
 
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Here's a legit thought, is it just about domination? That these men, and some women lets be fair, of the militant conservative bent are just interested in dominated other humans? Sexually, politically, financially, or in the case of the gun-nuts at least violently if not just out right dominating someone's right to be alive?
That's its no an ideology of, well...ideas, so much as just a primal need to take from other humans and be seen as superior/untouchable?
That does appear to be the state of things. Power is both the means and the end.
 

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Is it just me or does the right wing defense of Gaetz seem a little half-hearted?
They only defend when it's an accusation made by a citizen. When it's an official investigation, they know that the allegation is most likely true and they're not going anywhere near it.
 

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Here's a legit thought, is it just about domination? That these men, and some women lets be fair, of the militant conservative bent are just interested in dominated other humans? Sexually, politically, financially, or in the case of the gun-nuts at least violently if not just out right dominating someone's right to be alive?
That's its no an ideology of, well...ideas, so much as just a primal need to take from other humans and be seen as superior/untouchable?
Like Trump didn't want to be president, he can barely read, doesn't understand politics, law, international trade, strategy, tactics, infrastructure, medical care, taxes, nothing. He barely knows if he's shit himself and exists in 10 min windows if the producers of the Apprentice are to be believed. But what he does know, and wanted, was simply to be the most dominant man in the room. Everything else was so much noise, it was all about just everyone having to call you sir, and any pussy is up for grabs.
A lot of what you are pointing to is reactionaries, a subset of conservativism. Yes, generally everything new is automatically seen as a negative by conservatives. But that's different from the world ending apocalypse that seems to spout out of reactionaries mouths just because someone had a thought or opinion.

Also, the worst thing about the Trump presidency is that he's gonna make Biden look good.
 

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Here's a legit thought, is it just about domination? That these men, and some women lets be fair, of the militant conservative bent are just interested in dominated other humans? Sexually, politically, financially, or in the case of the gun-nuts at least violently if not just out right dominating someone's right to be alive?
That's its no an ideology of, well...ideas, so much as just a primal need to take from other humans and be seen as superior/untouchable?
Like Trump didn't want to be president, he can barely read, doesn't understand politics, law, international trade, strategy, tactics, infrastructure, medical care, taxes, nothing. He barely knows if he's shit himself and exists in 10 min windows if the producers of the Apprentice are to be believed. But what he does know, and wanted, was simply to be the most dominant man in the room. Everything else was so much noise, it was all about just everyone having to call you sir, and any pussy is up for grabs.
I think it's less about dominating other people, and more a fear of being dominated themselves and feeling that the best defense is a good offense.

People don't typically buy guns with the intention of killing others. They buy guns with the intention of protecting themselves and their property from others and not having to rely on the police to do it for them. It's posturing so that people know that they're a big tough man so that no one messes with them. They just don't realize they end up looking ridiculous in the process.

Part of the reason that Trump wanted to be president was because he thought doing so would make him untouchable, and he was right it basically did. Every misdeed he blatantly committed rolled off him and his family. It's not about controlling others, it's about doing what you want and not having to answer to other people.
 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/us/politics/matt-gaetz-justice-department.html

They have receipts.

A Justice Department investigation into Representative Matt Gaetz and an indicted Florida politician is focusing on their involvement with multiple women who were recruited online for sex and received cash payments, according to people close to the investigation and text messages and payment receipts reviewed by The New York Times.

Investigators believe Joel Greenberg, the former tax collector in Seminole County, Fla., who was indicted last year on a federal sex trafficking charge and other crimes, initially met the women through websites that connect people who go on dates in exchange for gifts, fine dining, travel and allowances, according to three people with knowledge of the encounters. Mr. Greenberg introduced the women to Mr. Gaetz, who also had sex with them, the people said.

One of the women who had sex with both men also agreed to have sex with an unidentified associate of theirs in Florida Republican politics, according to a person familiar with the arrangement. Mr. Greenberg had initially contacted her online and introduced her to Mr. Gaetz, the person said.

Mr. Gaetz denied ever paying a woman for sex.