Mediocrity Scrolls Online

[SecondPrize]

The worst thing about ES:O is that while it's active, you won't see a new "proper" Elder Scrolls game. Yeah, let that sink in. For the next 5-10 years (or more), there will be no new Elder Scrolls. Have fun

... Now i'm sad. It sank in, and boy did it suck to realize it.

OT: Surprised that they didn't poke fun at the fact you have to pay real money to buy a horse. That, otherwise... you have to work hours on end trying to earn game money to purchase one, which could take up all of your savings. Yeah I feel personally that the EDO was just a terrible idea. Not because of being multiplayer, but the way they went about it with greed.

Also mudcrabs even in Skyrim can kill a sabertooth. No joke. They're hardcore.

Bethesda makes Elder Scrolls, Zenimax Online Studios makes ESO. Notice how Skyrim still came out, even though the MMO has been in development for 6 years or so.
The horse you get from the CE is the same as the worst horse you can buy, so everyone has to grind the gold for the real horses, CE and Palamino people just get to ride a horse in the meantime while saving up.

 

[Therumancer]

The worst thing about ES:O is that while it's active, you won't see a new "proper" Elder Scrolls game. Yeah, let that sink in. For the next 5-10 years (or more), there will be no new Elder Scrolls. Have fun

... Now i'm sad. It sank in, and boy did it suck to realize it.

OT: Surprised that they didn't poke fun at the fact you have to pay real money to buy a horse. That, otherwise... you have to work hours on end trying to earn game money to purchase one, which could take up all of your savings. Yeah I feel personally that the EDO was just a terrible idea. Not because of being multiplayer, but the way they went about it with greed.

Also mudcrabs even in Skyrim can kill a sabertooth. No joke. They're hardcore.

Well to be honest one of the first things I noticed in ESO is how weak and anemic the Mudcrabs look... they are very small, like very large normal crabs. One recurring joke (admittedly which I help perpetuate) is how sometime over the next couple thousand years some wizard with an obsession must start injecting them with 'roids or something.

That said since in ESO Mud crabs can skill kill you (especially with a level difference) that makes it perhaps the first game where this can literally happen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQq90tg21k

 

[ZombieSuicide]

The worst thing about ES:O is that while it's active, you won't see a new "proper" Elder Scrolls game. Yeah, let that sink in. For the next 5-10 years (or more), there will be no new Elder Scrolls. Have fun

I was always more a Fallout fan anyway. And I still haven't beet Oblivion or even started Skyrim... I would be okay with a 5 year plus wait almost.

 

[SilverStuddedSquirre]

The worst thing about ES:O is that while it's active, you won't see a new "proper" Elder Scrolls game. Yeah, let that sink in. For the next 5-10 years (or more), there will be no new Elder Scrolls. Have fun

... Now i'm sad. It sank in, and boy did it suck to realize it.

OT: Surprised that they didn't poke fun at the fact you have to pay real money to buy a horse. That, otherwise... you have to work hours on end trying to earn game money to purchase one, which could take up all of your savings. Yeah I feel personally that the EDO was just a terrible idea. Not because of being multiplayer, but the way they went about it with greed.

Also mudcrabs even in Skyrim can kill a sabertooth. No joke. They're hardcore.

Well to be honest one of the first things I noticed in ESO is how weak and anemic the Mudcrabs look... they are very small, like very large normal crabs. One recurring joke (admittedly which I help perpetuate) is how sometime over the next couple thousand years some wizard with an obsession must start injecting them with 'roids or something.

That said since in ESO Mud crabs can skill kill you (especially with a level difference) that makes it perhaps the first game where this can literally happen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQq90tg21k

As I said the first time I saw a mudcrab in Skyrim: ************! That's no crab, it's a Kingler!

Which was immediately followed by: Kingler used Guillotine, it's Super Effective!

 

[ZombieSuicide]

So did they add a scar to Erin's face just to see if anybody would notice in the inevitable MMO vs Single player debate that would come from the thread?

Or did I miss something in a prior comic?

I don't think you missed anything I think that's just her hand pushing against her cheek... I think. I would like to mention that I've always liked the art that comes from this comic. Lots of skill associated here.

 

[William Dickbringer]

The worst thing about ES:O is that while it's active, you won't see a new "proper" Elder Scrolls game. Yeah, let that sink in. For the next 5-10 years (or more), there will be no new Elder Scrolls. Have fun

sounds normal going from daggerfall to morrowind took 6 years
going from morrowind to oblivion took 4 years
going from oblivion to skyrim took 5 years
of course it's gonna be a while bethseda isn't an elder scrolls factory where they shit out an elder scrolls game every 2-3 years besides everyone isn't expecting elder scrolls next they're expecting fallout 4 from them

 

[SilverStuddedSquirre]

The worst thing about ES:O is that while it's active, you won't see a new "proper" Elder Scrolls game. Yeah, let that sink in. For the next 5-10 years (or more), there will be no new Elder Scrolls. Have fun

I was always more a Fallout fan anyway. And I still haven't beet Oblivion or even started Skyrim... I would be okay with a 5 year plus wait almost.

You're OK with it now, but you know Fallout is next right? ESPECIALLY if Bethesda isn't the one taking blame or losing face.
They get to make Royalties of the Whales (And you had BETTER BELIEVE ZENIMAX wants to make you into a Whale) while declaring the Games Non-Cannon and putting out their own canonical games games and Double dip their own market, while still looking like heroes compared to the MMO guys.

They found a way to get the 2x multiplier for the Quadruple-Dip.

 

[Ikasury]

Played the beta of TES:O and the thing that I hated the most about the game was the other players... So I guess I'll just stick to Skyrim.

i think this is how a lot of TES fans feel... .-. the 'idea' of playing 'Skyrim' with my friends made me excited... but then i played the beta... and realized how many OTHER people i'd be playing with... and they were dicks... and nothing was instanced... and the crafting sucked...

yea... back to skyrim...

 

[shadowxvii]

Played the beta of TES:O and the thing that I hated the most about the game was the other players... So I guess I'll just stick to Skyrim.

i think this is how a lot of TES fans feel... .-. the 'idea' of playing 'Skyrim' with my friends made me excited... but then i played the beta... and realized how many OTHER people i'd be playing with... and they were dicks... and nothing was instanced... and the crafting sucked...

yea... back to skyrim...

Pretty good extension of what I wanted to say.

Actually, I'm used to playing with lots of other people in an MMO, but I think the major problem is in what you said : nothing was instanced. That's a major problem in some way. It's actually perfectly fine to have open shared zones for everybody to do their stuff. But when it comes to following a specific quest, in a specific area, it's really problematic when you try to do the quest and you almost have to wait in line for the quest monster to respawn (and that's just one example). Maybe it's fixed now, it wasn't in the beta I played.

 

[Ten Foot Bunny]

Played the beta of TES:O and the thing that I hated the most about the game was the other players... So I guess I'll just stick to Skyrim.

That's what I was afraid of. It's also why, as a huge fan of the ES series, I'm not touching ESO.

I'm also afraid that ESO is going to add to the ES mythos in ways that will need to be written into future games. If that happens, then the story will soon be changing in ways that I won't be able to follow, and ES is the only game series in which I'm fanatical about the lore.

 

[MegaGame]

And if you buy this on Xbox One you'll also have to pay a subscription for Xbox Live. So at that point you're paying for the game, paying the subscription, paying for Xbox Live, all for a game with microtransactions.

Well the Live is Mircosoft and what microtransactions?

I've speculated before that the whole purpose of the in game cash shop is to make the inevitable transfer to F2P easier since the backbone of the system is already in place. I do hope they long for Skyrim money though. I swoon for another TES.

Except there is no ingame shop.

 

[happy_turtle]

Gotta say, I'm playing it and I'm loving it, the people so far are friendly and my current guild has been more tha welcoming at introducing me to the concepts. If it goes free-to-play then I'll enjoy introducing my friends who can't afford the monthly fee to the world

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

I didn't think the game was nearly as awful as everyone said it was. It certainly wasn't as bad during the most recent beta prior to release than the one I played much earlier. That said, not great. The thing that I hated most was the other players, which just goes to show how much I'd have preferred another singleplayer game instead. That or at least one where I just choose to co op with 3 other people and that is it. I like my instances.

 

[StriderShinryu]

"The Elder Scrolls Online is a huge step forward for the genre. It has a subscription fee and a cash shop. Welcome to the future."

Actually, it has a sub fee, a cash shop AND an up front initial box/download price. So, yeah, it had damn well better be groundbreaking (which, by most indications so far, it's absolutely not).

 

[Chronologist]

I'd rather have Elder Scrolls VI than ESO.
I'd rather play ESO with the option to toggle multiplayer visibility off so I don't see fifty people crowded around quest locations.
I'd rather not have to pick a class at character creation that forces me to restart the game when I realize it's not optimal for my build.
I'd rather choose to play a character without Magicka than one that is essentially forced to rely upon it.
I'd rather play with an intuitive crafting system instead of the bizarre, lovecraftian beast ESO gives us.
I'd rather play a social, crafting character that wasn't forced into combat, except the main quest requires you be a murderhobo to proceed.
I'd rather prefer it if the combat system didn't include red auras all over the enemies and scenery.
I'd rather prefer it if turning off the above visual effects didn't make it nigh-impossible to predict enemy attacks.
I'd rather forget the whole Coldharbour thing as a weird dream and ignore the main quest entirely.
I'd rather ditch the entire faction war and PvP entirely and just explore all of the zones as a trader or wandering minstrel.
I'd rather play a race without having to worry about it being 'optimal' for my style of play.
I'd rather complete courier jobs and explore the world than be forced into yet another combat encounter like 90% of quests.

I wanted to like ESO so much, but it's just... flawed in so many irreconcilable ways. I want to wander around the world, getting well and truly lost, finding hidden treasures and meeting interesting people. I want to do odd jobs for coin, at least enough to get by and keep my quiver filled. I want to sing songs in taverns, talk to passers by, and swap stories from across Tamriel.

I thought ESO was going to be the game for me, but it seems that I was wrong once again. Every MMO focuses on the combat and PvP, so much that they forget about the little things that make you want to BE in that world. Until game developers realize that RPGs are more than just third-person-shooters with stats and skills, I don't think I'll be participating anymore.

 

[Remus]

Gotta say, I'm playing it and I'm loving it, the people so far are friendly and my current guild has been more tha welcoming at introducing me to the concepts. If it goes free-to-play then I'll enjoy introducing my friends who can't afford the monthly fee to the world

I am enjoying it as well. One of my favorite features is that their "auction house", if you can even call it that, is restricted to guild only. This means very little twinking and the markets won't automatically be flooded with blue items or better by virtue of the hardcorz. Since you can be a member in up to 5 player guilds, that means you can join guilds based on focus. You can join a RP guild, a crafting guild, an auction guild, a PvP guild, and a grouping/endgame guild. No need to pick and choose your focus when you can do everything with players you know and like.

Probably the one thing that does need work is the presence of gold sellers. The leeches are in force and they take pride in expanding their spam so that it's one line longer than the default chat window size, making it difficult to /ignore or /report them. But this is just another growing pain that every MMO experiences so I'm not exactly surprised by this, nor does it lessen my enjoyment of the game. I'm usually too focused on crafting or killing to read chat.

 

[Cerebrawl]

2. Elder Scrolls Online is pretty much charging standard rates. The cost is box plus subscription. You cannot consider that truly "double dipping" as that has been the way MMOs were being sold since pretty much the very beginning. I say pretty much because the first MMOs actually charged you by the hour or minute. But Everquest, WoW, Ultima Online, and others all used this basic business model.

Plenty of MMOs have been free-to-download, monthly sub. Heck those outnumber the ones with a box price. But tell me about these mythical MMOs that came before Everquest and Ultima Online? There were MUDs, but not MMOs(aside from Meridian59 which released a few months before UO), there's a difference. MUDs were also typically truly free to play, as in totally free, no transactions at all unless you wanted to donate some money to them, though there were some exceptions, and of course internet back then was usually dialup so you could be saddled with some hefty phonebills.

Or are you talking about games that came before the internet, through proprietary networks, back when bandwidth was super expensive? Like the original(1991) Neverwinter Nights?

I say this as someone who was into MUDs back then and considered the new-fangled graphical MUDs(MMOs) to be gimmicky.

I sported over 4000 hours on my main character alone in Discworld MUD, and I had several characters, and played several MUDs, and none of them cost money to play except for what it cost to actually have internet access(internet cafes at first, phone bills later).

 

[tofulove]

I may be in the minority here, but i am having fun with eso. Its the most fun i ever had questing in a mmo. I like the story arcs in the quest, and i enjoy the only instanced dungeon i have played so far. I even enjoy the pvp. Pvp is alot of fun when you operate in smaller groups ambushing people running to sieges ;p Sieges are fun to, but ambushing parties are a lot more fun.

Is there bugs? You bet your ass there is. Is there some design flaws that need to be addressed? You bet your ass there is. Is the imperial addition a cash grab? You bet your ass it is. Will it go free to play? Maybe, i would not be surprised if it does.

Some things to be made clear though. First its not a wow clone. Its far closer to a gw2 and dark nights of Camelot clone if its cloning any thing. 2, it never set out to be a wow killer. Its going for a niche market and knows what its niche market is. People who like both elder scrolls and mmos. 3, i have played wow, gw2, eq 1, war hammer online, swtor, lotro, and a couple other minor free to play mmos. I can safety say questing in eso is far better then any other mmo i ever played.

If you start playing eso looking for a skyrim online your going to be disappointed. Its not skyrim online. If you happen to enjoy mmos, you will like this game. If you like elderscrolls lore and like mmos, you will love this game. If you're a mmo fan and burned out on wow and wow clones, then this game is most defiantly worth a try. If you don't like mmos, your not going to like this game, but you already new that.

 

[SilverStuddedSquirre]

Thats my 5 cents on the topic. There are much worse things happening in terms of discrimination.

Has he discriminated against gays in his own company? No? Case closed[/QUOTE]


Can't help but wonder if this went in the wrong thread XD. Funny as hell though.

 

[tofulove]

Thats my 5 cents on the topic. There are much worse things happening in terms of discrimination.

Has he discriminated against gays in his own company? No? Case closed[/QUOTE]


Can't help but wonder if this went in the wrong thread XD. Funny as hell though.[/quote]

Off topic, but it has my vote to stay. Gave me a little giggle when i saw it.