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Didn't Bane figure out who Batman was? Wasn't he really smart, and then physically, and literally, break the Batman? This won't work why exactly? Weren't people clamoring for Hugo Strange, who possessed only one half of this equation as a villain?
I still bet Talia will be cast as well.
I still bet Talia will be cast as well.
Actually I don't think Catwoman choice weird, after all she as teased in The Dark Knight and even in Nolan "realistic" thing we still got a guy dressed as a bat punching people around. So a woman dressed as a Cat is not gonna be that much weird.
And Bane can sound like a really bad "strong but idiot" kinda of villain for who doesn't know comics(Or if you read the wrong Batman comics), but he not that bad, with a good writer he can be pretty bad ass.
And Bane can sound like a really bad "strong but idiot" kinda of villain for who doesn't know comics(Or if you read the wrong Batman comics), but he not that bad, with a good writer he can be pretty bad ass.
Well on Catwoman they just have to keep that she is a crazy cat lady, add in a bit of PETA crazy reasoning in the first couple of crimes Catwoman does. For example have her dressed in a cheap ass(maybe as far as Dollar Tree cheap) Catwoman at first to sneak in to rescue cats from an animal testing place. Have something go bad, take for example Batman catches her in the act while she is doing something crazy. Say some bombs, Batman tries to save her from landing in whatever the scientist are testing. After that I am pretty much thinking of Batman Returns as an example of how it can go right. Though I do agree that it is a surprise, but Catwoman in much the comics has she's this rouge that really isn't bad or good. So she is probably not going to be a villain threw all of the movie. Outside of stealing things most of the things she does with the idea of protecting animals.
Bane I wasn't surprised about it, mostly because Bane is a character broken down by his emotions. Bane as I remember is a muscle man that when he lost his mask took up the venom to win back it. He became addicted to the venom, and does whatever to get more so that he can be stronger. Any fight I remember Bane getting brought down by Batman bring forth an emotion from Bane. Anger, sadness, whatever you have. It is used to distract Bane so the venom can be disconnect.
Being brought down by emotion was Inception in a nutshell. So it makes sense he would have that.
Bane I wasn't surprised about it, mostly because Bane is a character broken down by his emotions. Bane as I remember is a muscle man that when he lost his mask took up the venom to win back it. He became addicted to the venom, and does whatever to get more so that he can be stronger. Any fight I remember Bane getting brought down by Batman bring forth an emotion from Bane. Anger, sadness, whatever you have. It is used to distract Bane so the venom can be disconnect.
Being brought down by emotion was Inception in a nutshell. So it makes sense he would have that.
Its hard to argue with the changes Nolan makes when they end up telling a good story. The two face thing in Dark Knight was really good. Was it cannon? No but whatever. Was Ledgers Joker less scary because he had makeup? Course not.
I genuinely don't get how people are surprised at the announcement of Catwoman.There was a pretty obvious hint in The Dark Knight that she was going to make an appearance at some point
After the opening fight scene Bruce asks Lucius Fox to redesign his armour because he needs to be more manoeuvrable.When he gets the armour back he asks "How will it be against dogs?" to which Fox replies with a grin "oh it should work fine against cats"
As soon as I heard that line my first thought was Catwoman is going to be in the next movie
After the opening fight scene Bruce asks Lucius Fox to redesign his armour because he needs to be more manoeuvrable.When he gets the armour back he asks "How will it be against dogs?" to which Fox replies with a grin "oh it should work fine against cats"
As soon as I heard that line my first thought was Catwoman is going to be in the next movie
Why does Bane suck? I liked his character (the batman and robin movie doesnt count).
If they can make Scarecrow work in Nolans films, they can make Bane work.
If they can make Scarecrow work in Nolans films, they can make Bane work.
The only way I can see this happening is that Bats starts falling for Catwoman and then Bane breaks HER, to break the Bat.
And that would be naff.
I've really racked my brains on this and other than the "Bats gets a girlfriend" - "Bane castrates Bats", I can't see a way it will play. And Hollywood are terrified of female sexuality.
And that would be naff.
I've really racked my brains on this and other than the "Bats gets a girlfriend" - "Bane castrates Bats", I can't see a way it will play. And Hollywood are terrified of female sexuality.
To be fair, I had no idea how they were going to do joker. I have a fair bit of faith in Nolan at the moment. Lets see where he runs.
Ha! Incorrect! Here [http://www.razorfine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/secret-six-27.jpg] is the same picture with comic title intact. Secret Six is a DC anti-villain team featuring Bane.Acting like a FOOL said:
Oh, man, I'd love Talia to make an appearance (I love to dress up as her at Halloween and have people ask 'Who are you again, exactly?')Gunnyboy said:
I would definitely not mind a Shiva appearance, either.
Also: Bane is awesome, Bob, shame on you for buying into the Knightfall hate! I really, really hated KnightQuest and the third Knight whatever title after Kinghtfall, but Knightfall itself was not horrible. Bane didn't just break Batman's back, he orchestrated everything leading up to that moment: freeing all the inmates from Arkham Asylum, coordinating various individual attacks against Batman, ensuring that Batman was run ragged by those encounters, pushing Batman to a limit where Bruce seriously began to suffer mentally as well as physically, and then went in for the final defeat. It was an obvious 'let's throw all the Batman villains into a series' attention-grabber, true, but it was a well-done attention-grabber (unlike, say, Superman's death).
Portraying this genius-level, calculating villain who did what not even the Joker could do - force Batman to lose control of Gotham (which was the true victory even moreso than the breaking of the back) - as solely a steroid-pumping strongman is a disservice to the character.
/rant
Actually I think the Bruce Timm version of Bane just might work, he's a smooth talking mercenary with real combat experience still in perfect control of his mental faculties even after he "hulks out." Now I'm not saying Batman has to make a big ass mech suit to fight him (a-la "The Batman,) but Bane might just have enough character to play an actual nemesis rather than a dragon to beat. As for Catwoman, I love her, but one thing I haven't seen Nolan do well is female characters, he has a LOT to live up to if he hopes to beat Tim Burton's version.
I thought he was going to use the Riddler, the Riddler is perfect for his vision! He's basically a mad genius, no power, minimal gimmicks, it's a match made in gritty gray heaven.
I thought he was going to use the Riddler, the Riddler is perfect for his vision! He's basically a mad genius, no power, minimal gimmicks, it's a match made in gritty gray heaven.
I wouldn't worry about this too much, Bob. If you look at the ending credits in The Dark Knight, they credited Christian Bale as only 'Bruce Wayne,' no mention of 'Batman.' Same with Aaron Eckhart only being 'Harvey Dent' and not 'Two-Face.' I think only 'The Joker' is referred to by a comic book-y name. They might be going down the same route here, where she'll be called 'Catwoman' in the movie, and even have the rubber catsuit, but only be referred to as 'Selina Kyle' in the credits/press releases.
Also, as for why Catwoman and Bane would wear costumes in the next film: because Batman Begins and The Dark Knight have been running this theme that while Batman may have inspired the people of Gotham to do good, like Jim Gordon or Harvey Dent (before the Joker gets to him, anyway), he's also inspired lunatics to take up his schtick and do evil/reckless acts (the copycats, Joker himself). It's not that much of a stretch that Bane, in a quest to be better than the Bat, would put on a mask, or that Selina Kyle could be inspired by Batman, and her affinity for cats, to dress up like an animal (in fact, that is/was the official reason for her putting on the costume in the comics, last I checked).
Bob,
Concerning Bane I see a possible action for Nolan: Being together with Rachel was a major driving force of Bruce's desire to fight crime and restore Gotham to its original glory. Now that Rachel is gone all that he has going for him is the sense of personal duty to be the city's Dark Knight. However, being human like any of us and hunted throughout the city, this is wearing thin for him. He's tired of being Batman. This is where Bane enters the story. Remember the imitators in DK?
There's a high possibility of Bane being one of those imitators that adores Batman. What if he notices that Batman, his idol, is faltering with cleaning up the streets? A fan seeing their hero fall from their pedestal is devastating. He wants to fight crime just like Batman so bad that Bane would think that HE should take Batman's place. In several comics he's known to be somewhat of a genius. Maybe create an exoskeleton that increases one's strength ten-fold, but how can any normal human being last that long in such a physically demanding suit? Perhaps Bane creates a compound (VENOM) that drastically increases his body's endurance, stamina, and strength to handle the suit. Now he's going through the streets at night and taking out the crime everywhere. This garners Bane the love of the public perhaps. The majority of Gotham citizens still think Batman killed Harvey Dent, but here comes the new hope: Bane. The Joker nearly broke Batman in DK, Bane is here to finish it. Maybe not break him physically as in Knightfall, but mentally.
Slowly overexposure to the VENOM compound slowly deteriorates Bane's mental capacity and he starts killing the criminals. Now Bane's view of justice is drastically black/white. No mercy, no matter what the crime. This would allow Batman to reevaluate his purpose for the city. He just began considering his purpose at the end of the Dark Knight it would be great to see him expound on that.
Maybe thats just me.
Concerning Bane I see a possible action for Nolan: Being together with Rachel was a major driving force of Bruce's desire to fight crime and restore Gotham to its original glory. Now that Rachel is gone all that he has going for him is the sense of personal duty to be the city's Dark Knight. However, being human like any of us and hunted throughout the city, this is wearing thin for him. He's tired of being Batman. This is where Bane enters the story. Remember the imitators in DK?
There's a high possibility of Bane being one of those imitators that adores Batman. What if he notices that Batman, his idol, is faltering with cleaning up the streets? A fan seeing their hero fall from their pedestal is devastating. He wants to fight crime just like Batman so bad that Bane would think that HE should take Batman's place. In several comics he's known to be somewhat of a genius. Maybe create an exoskeleton that increases one's strength ten-fold, but how can any normal human being last that long in such a physically demanding suit? Perhaps Bane creates a compound (VENOM) that drastically increases his body's endurance, stamina, and strength to handle the suit. Now he's going through the streets at night and taking out the crime everywhere. This garners Bane the love of the public perhaps. The majority of Gotham citizens still think Batman killed Harvey Dent, but here comes the new hope: Bane. The Joker nearly broke Batman in DK, Bane is here to finish it. Maybe not break him physically as in Knightfall, but mentally.
Slowly overexposure to the VENOM compound slowly deteriorates Bane's mental capacity and he starts killing the criminals. Now Bane's view of justice is drastically black/white. No mercy, no matter what the crime. This would allow Batman to reevaluate his purpose for the city. He just began considering his purpose at the end of the Dark Knight it would be great to see him expound on that.
Maybe thats just me.
Wait people actually remember the movie Evolution. Holy fuckin' blue space chimps batman!
(ps, great movie WATCH IT)
(ps, great movie WATCH IT)
The Batman movies lost their "real world" stuff for me when the Joker backed a school bus through a building, filled it with cash, pulled it out of the building just in time to fit into a line of moving school buses in the middle of the day, and NO ONE goes, "Hey, that's kind of odd."
And Scarecrow wore a mask that made him look like a scarecrow. I don't see what the problem is with Catwoman. I do agree on Bane though. That's a head scratching choice.
And Scarecrow wore a mask that made him look like a scarecrow. I don't see what the problem is with Catwoman. I do agree on Bane though. That's a head scratching choice.
I am worried about this, hes done great so far but can he follow the dark knight with something even better? I doubt it, and with these characters I don't see where hes going. I was hoping for Dr. Hugo Strange, I could see him making something good out of that at least. But if bane breaks batman's back then it might be good after all
What happened to Tom Hardy playing Hugo Strange? I read that somewhere and that sounded like a good way to go for the psychological aspect of the Nolan-Batman series. Not to mention the fact that I could even see Hugo Strange and Bane (or one of the other "strong-man" villains) being in one movie. Strange finds out Bruce's alter ego is Batman (which happens in the comic). He psychologically tortures Bruce/Batman with a variety of methods, ending in releasing another one of his experiments on him in hopes to break the Batman and, perhaps, take the role himself (this other experiment being Bane and the "taking the Batman role" is sorta what happened in the comic).
That made sense to me. Then I heard Hardy dropped out. Now he's back in as Bane and we have Catwoman. The combination seems idiotic to a degree. Major female role in a Nolan film does have me a little worried. Plus with the recent failure of a Catwoman movie, this might risk putting some people off, even if it is Batman. And the only reason I'm skeptical on Bane (even with my awesome idea for a "team-up" with Strange) is because of Batman Forever (was that the one he was in?). Two failures for two rather uninteresting characters. They both only really have one thing going for them. Sex or drugs. Since Batman isn't really known for Rock n' Roll, I can see this combination having some issues once it hits the screen.
Does anyone else think this is a proper way to end the series? Especially after the roller-coaster of a movie that Dark Knight was? My expectation was that Nolan was going to try going for bigger and more amazing. I knew, thinking that, it would be hard to top Joker AND Two-Face since they are among Bat's top villains. But it seems odd to follow such a great act like that with Catwoman and Bane...
Sidenote: It depresses me that we'll never have a movie with Clayface. I mean, I knew that Nolan would probably never do it. It's just sad that it still hasn't happened, regardless of reason.
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That made sense to me. Then I heard Hardy dropped out. Now he's back in as Bane and we have Catwoman. The combination seems idiotic to a degree. Major female role in a Nolan film does have me a little worried. Plus with the recent failure of a Catwoman movie, this might risk putting some people off, even if it is Batman. And the only reason I'm skeptical on Bane (even with my awesome idea for a "team-up" with Strange) is because of Batman Forever (was that the one he was in?). Two failures for two rather uninteresting characters. They both only really have one thing going for them. Sex or drugs. Since Batman isn't really known for Rock n' Roll, I can see this combination having some issues once it hits the screen.
Does anyone else think this is a proper way to end the series? Especially after the roller-coaster of a movie that Dark Knight was? My expectation was that Nolan was going to try going for bigger and more amazing. I knew, thinking that, it would be hard to top Joker AND Two-Face since they are among Bat's top villains. But it seems odd to follow such a great act like that with Catwoman and Bane...
Sidenote: It depresses me that we'll never have a movie with Clayface. I mean, I knew that Nolan would probably never do it. It's just sad that it still hasn't happened, regardless of reason.
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Total agreement there. Why Riddler was overlooked and dismissed so early is baffling. He would have been better than either one of these guys.psrdirector said: