Microsoft: Mass Effect Not Ideal On PlayStation 3

[ecoho]

Well, first off I wouldn't expect Mass Effect to compete with the 'pedigree' of those titles; all three IPs have been around for over a decade, whereas the ME mythos is just getting started.

Secondly, I agree that Microsoft could have handled this differently, but saying Microsoft has a bad PR department is like saying Blizzard develops games slowly; in other words, it goes without saying. But while the "how" of their message was flawed, the message itself was still important - they successfully differentiated the 360 version of ME from the PS3 version, and pointed out a very good reason to stick with their console. In that respect, the author of that statement did his job - his job being to promote his product, and not that of his competitor.

Honestly, I kind of disagree there, I think MS PR department has actually fallen asleep at the helm of late. Christ, they glazed over RRoD for cryin out loud. Not only that, but they've got great advertising too (Halo series especially). But, of late, they simply seem to be whining and complaining, rather than simply focusing on their product and it's future.

Even more unfortunate for MS, is that we all very well know that Sony doesn't let companies bring the same game to their console, after it's already been out on another system for months/year. Sony _will_ require Bioware to add more to ME2, than just what MS got. So, unfortunately for MS, the experience on the PS3 may end up being better.

ok i have to point this out, when ever sony makes them add things to a game it tend to make it accualy worse then the origenal(see ninja gaiden and resident evil 4) were just updateing the graphics would have done just fine. Now i love my PS3, i mean my favoret game is a PS3 exclusive but porting games just doesnt work well with the PS3 because they make them add things it just make the developer look like a sell out witch i think we can all agree bioware isnt. So yeah if Soney fucks up the game i will blast them not bioware.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I think I won't get it. Sci-fi games don't really hold me much, but if I have spare time and money I suppose I might.

 

[Optimystic]

The point is, why comment at all? I'm pretty sure they have a ton more to be talking about (that's far more productive than trying to shoot a developer who's been very good to them in the foot), than ME2 on the PS3. For instance, why core 360 owners should be interested in Kinect, something they are sorely short of, in the PR department. They have several in-house devs who're working stuff, so they could be discussing that.

It's possible that the one doing the foot-shooting was Bioware. I'm sure Microsoft wasn't thrilled when Bioware privately discussed their plans to roll out ME2 on the PS3, and Bioware went ahead and did it anyway. Note that I am not sorry they did this; I can merely understand why Microsoft would be less than charitable after a slap in the face like that.

As for the Kinect, no amount of additional talking will sell that thing. Core gamers are product-driven - they'll believe that the Kinect will work when a decent hardcore title proves it can work, and not before.

I wouldn't necessarily say the PS3 itself, is 'better', but they typically require developers to add something to their games before allowing them to bring a timed exclusive Microsoft game to their platform, it's been done with every game I can think of. Several JRPG's, Ninja Gaiden, of course, ME2 most likely, and so on, the point _isn't_ that it makes the game better. The point is, it MAKES the developer do extra work on a title already gone gold. That's a pain in the ass. And what IF it makes the game worse? That's that much more money they lose. All because they took some cash from MS up front, rather than going multi-plat from the getgo. See what I mean?

Well, in the case of Mass Effect they really didn't have a choice in the matter, since MS took a chance and published the first game. It wasn't until it got popular that EA took notice - where were they when all Bioware had were several volumes of codex, a design document and a dream?

Of course, one can also laugh at Microsoft for not buying the rights to the golden goose in the first place.

 

[ecoho]

im just worried that soney will fuck the game up then ill have to defend the game from PS3 fan boys because they think its horrible

 

[ecoho]

im just worried that soney will fuck the game up then ill have to defend the game from PS3 fan boys because they think its horrible

EDIT: Thought I was in a different thread lol. I'm not sure, I don't think Bioware wants to mess this up, after all, they'd probably starting losing money, if any of the work they've done on the PS3 version doesn't pan out as a success. I'm hoping Sony realizes Bioware knows what they're doing and will do the game justice to the hardware.

yeah but if they make them add too much to it itll just get realy clutterd and bioware cant make any exclusive weapons or missions (dlc included) to the PS3 cause theyll be strung up in the street by their fans.

 

[similar.squirrel]

In related news, Pope says people should stay Catholic.

Nicely done.
People should ignore whatever Microsoft says about this. There is nothing wrong with eerybody enjoying a piece of art.
Now, I wish Sony would allow the Team Ico games to be ported to Xbox..
Console exclusives make me very angry.

 

[WorldCritic]

This was expected, Microsoft says Xbox is the best place to play Mass Effect, Sony says Playstation is the best place to play God of War, and Nintendo says the Wii is the best place to play ... I don't know, Mario I guess.

 

[Iron Mal]

Mass Effect 2 is now avaliable on the PS3!? Stop the presses!

It's a game I already own on a console I don't own, I am not going to rush out and switch over just because I now can.

Mass Effect 2 has been out long enough that the greater majority of people who were going to get it will have gotten it, and those who don't have it will buy it on whatever console they already own (both Mass effect games were good but they wouldn't convince me to go out and buy a brand new console).

The Xbox is the more 'ideal' console for Mass Effect 2 largely because the first game was also released on it (thus you can carry across games), this may not seem like much but it actually does make the game more interesting (and it's satisfying to know that the things you did and said in the previous game actually mattered for something beond a tiny amount of XP).

 

[SelectivelyEvil13]

More and more it sounds somewhat ridiculous to claim that either console version is supposedly "ideal" unless from the get-go you had both systems to allow the choice and flexibility. Mass Effect 2 is ideal for 360 owners with Mass Effect 1 naturally due to the cross-over saves, you already have the ability! But how is the PS3 version not ideal if one does not have access to Mass Effect 1 because of only owning a PS3? I don't think it's "ideal" to go out and buy a brand new console to play one old game just to cross over saves and have the "ideal" 360 version of Mass Effect 2 because Microsoft has declared it so.

 

[imsoveryl337]

Why would porting a game like Mass Effect be worse on a console with more blu-ray disc space? Surely they can cram better graphics, more extras etc onto a blu-ray!

I will still get this despite not playing ME1, if it mattered THAT much about carrying a save over then they would have made a ME1 for the PS3!

ok you have no idea what you're talking about.

i dont care PS3 uses blu-ray, the game graphics are worse than xbox360's. Seriously, read reviews of games, the PS3 version always get lower due to graphics and graphical glitches and frame rate issues.

It was my opinion, not fact! I don't know the in's and outs of both consoles but from the reviews I have read there is no difference what so ever between both consoles!

Why would porting a game like Mass Effect be worse on a console with more blu-ray disc space? Surely they can cram better graphics, more extras etc onto a blu-ray!

Yeah, they're gonna reconfigure and rework the game for P$3 so that they can have marginally better graphics and more content. /sarcasm

It's gonna be the same game, with the same content, with the same story, with the same graphics. You're an idiot if you think they'll do anything otherwise.

Why wouldn't they? This is Sony's chance to prove to other xbox exclusives that going to the PS3 is good for the games!

I never said the game would be massivly different! So don't call me an idiot for my personal opinion!

You are an idiot, though.

If you're personal opinion is stupid, doesn't that make you an idiot? If not, what would you define an idiot as?

 

[ecoho]

im just worried that soney will fuck the game up then ill have to defend the game from PS3 fan boys because they think its horrible

EDIT: Thought I was in a different thread lol. I'm not sure, I don't think Bioware wants to mess this up, after all, they'd probably starting losing money, if any of the work they've done on the PS3 version doesn't pan out as a success. I'm hoping Sony realizes Bioware knows what they're doing and will do the game justice to the hardware.

yeah but if they make them add too much to it itll just get realy clutterd and bioware cant make any exclusive weapons or missions (dlc included) to the PS3 cause theyll be strung up in the street by their fans.

It all depends on how they add it really, as I said, Bioware knows what they're doing and given they have to kind of ease PS3 users (some of which are likely new entree's to the franchise) into the storyline, there's going to have to be some extra stuff, just on the front-end to get people acquainted with the game mechanic.

As for what they can and cannot add, I can only say that there are 38+ million potential buyers of ME2 on the PS3, I believe they'll add as much exclusive content as they possibly can (without getting their entire team working on an already gold game), in order to entice people to buy it. And I really doubt that the rest of the fans of the franchise will get much thought by them, simply because those fans have already experienced 2 IP's in the franchise, and the PS3's been out in the cold. If Bioware's smart, they'll go into this with hands spread, with an olive branch in one of them.

Please dont get the wrong idea if they give ps3 owners the SAME things as the 360 just in a different way i wont mind so much but if they give say a speical chactor, rifle, or mission just for PS3 owners ill feel a bit cheated.

 

[Optimystic]

Oh I don't know about that, I think it's very possible and even moreso, likely that we'll each of us eventually see something on Kinect that's worth the price tag. Granted, that time hasn't come and doesn't appear to yet be on the horizon, but I'm not discounting the tech and possibilities that quickly.

I'm not discounting the Kinect either - merely pointing out that spending even more time on PR for it won't help without games to back up the talk.

Of course Bioware had the choice, c'mon, they're not some tiny two-bit studio pre-ME. Let's give them some credit for Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights, although, I'm not too familiar with MDK2 and KoTR, they also have those as well. Bioware's been a fairly popular PC studio for some time, and definitely made some decent money there. They really had no need for Microsoft's handouts, it was simply buying into the idea that the PS3 would fail and never become lucrative for 3rd parties.

None of those count as much as you think. KOTOR did well - but it has the juggernaut of the Star Wars IP behind it. NWN and Baldur's Gate also did well, but they have the juggernaut of the D&D IP behind them. Mass Effect was something entirely new, and new projects are a risk. Without Microsoft, we might never have had this rich and enticing world exposed to us.

Though that doesn't excuse them for not taking the steps to protect it properly if they really wanted to hang on to it. Their loss.

 

[Mr Snuffles]

Microsoft told IGN: "With both Mass Effect titles launching first on Xbox 360 combined with the wealth of available paid downloadable content on Xbox Live today, Xbox 360 remains the best place to experience the Mass Effect franchise. And the original Mass Effect is absolutely an Xbox 360 exclusive, making Xbox 360 the only place to get the full Mass Effect experience."

I think he's forgetting that if you buy Mass Effect 2 on the PC, you can get all of this downloadable content free of charge because of the cerberus network. If you don't have a decent enough PC, then the DLC will come out on the PS3 soon enough, he's just being petty in this silly console war...

 

[TimeLord]

You are an idiot, though.

If you're personal opinion is stupid, doesn't that make you an idiot? If not, what would you define an idiot as?

No, it makes it my personal opinion.

Whether you or I am right or wrong about said opinion is irrelevant. It is still just an opinion.

 

[ecoho]

Please dont get the wrong idea if they give ps3 owners the SAME things as the 360 just in a different way i wont mind so much but if they give say a speical chactor, rifle, or mission just for PS3 owners ill feel a bit cheated.

Happens all the time.

Look at Star Ocean 4: International for PS3 Vs SO4 for the 360. (Extra characters on PS3)
Tales of Vesperia on PS3 (Jpn) Vs Tales of Vesperia on the 360. (Extra characters on PS3)

You have to give people something if they are to wait an extra year, to make it worth their while. Even more so in this case, since they can't offer half of the experience (ME1).

Either way, I personally don't care about ME2. Bioware's only other PS3 offering (DA:O) left me with a bitter taste in my mouth. I could not have been more underwhelmed by that generic, buggy, unpolished, over-hyped, LOTR rip-off, they call a game... Forced my way through it once, tried to play it a second time to see if I overlooked the gold everyone keeps harping about; didn't find it; got really bored; lost interest; sold it and bought Trinity Universe.

I've seen a fiend play ME2 and I'm not interested in shooters. Unless you add VATS... ooh, I can't wait for Fallout: New Vegas.

Ok you may not like mass effect 2 but please understand why it would be different if they made more contant for the ps3 with mass effect 2. unlike the two games you used Mass Effect 2 has the cerberus network witch gives us all the same content. In other words bioware would in esance screw their loyal fan base they wont do this now they may make a few of the DLC packs free for them and while those of us who paid for them may be a little angrey it would be the best way for them to port it i mean if it aint broke why fix it?

 

[ManiacEskimo]

It hardly matters to me. I SO want to play Mass Effect, but I came late to the party. You can't find a copy of Mass Effect on any store shelves, they haven't(And I don't expect them to ever) release a dual pack with ME1 and 2, so this has absolutely no incentive for me. They are right, it is a bit silly to port the game to the PS3 while ME1 remains xbox only.

You can get it for the PC from numerous digital distributors. I got ME1 on STEAM and ME2 from GamersGate. ME2 even runs better than ME1 on the PC! And if you still want it for the 360 then you can probably find copies of it on Amazon or another online retailer.

 

[ecoho]

unlike the two games you used Mass Effect 2 has the cerberus network witch gives us all the same content. In other words bioware would in esance screw their loyal fan base they wont do this now they may make a few of the DLC packs free for them and while those of us who paid for them may be a little angrey it would be the best way for them to port it i mean if it aint broke why fix it?

What's a "Cerberus" network?

The only thing that is incongruous in your statement is that not all version will have the same content, since the PS3 will not have the carry over from ME1. In that case, it would be wise for EA Bioware to offer something in exchange (like additional content not seen in other versions). It really shouldn't anger their fans since they already experienced the game. Unlike say, Star Ocean 4, which angered the fans, since the actual fan base (on PS) was ignored for a solid year, meanwhile the game was met with mostly indifference on the XBox...

If you or anyone are really going to get angry over some extra content, then just buy the game on PS3. No one is stopping you.

the cerberus network is basicly mass effects version of the dragon age servers as in were all the dlc is kept and how you get the free dlc. So yeah most of us who bought the game for the 360 and PC will be pissed if the PS3 get exclusive contant and man if i owned it on the 360 why would i go buy it for my ps3?

BTW when i say exclusive contant im talking new weapons, armor, and non-begining missions. Not say a new begining were you chose what path your on to compensate for them not getting the firt game.

 

[RanD00M]

"And the original Mass Effect is absolutely an Xbox 360 exclusive, making Xbox 360 the only place to get the full Mass Effect experience"

No no no no no. Microsoft just lost all credibility with their point there. Why do I say that, because I played both Mass Effects on my PC. And I enjoyed it quite a lot on my PC. Then later on I tried the X-Box version, and I felt it to be nearly unplayable.

 

[DarkRedLion]

Hahaha. Microsoft is grasping on straws. I've got friends who played ME2 and didn't care much for ME1.

I can't believe they forgot about the PC release. Is it even true?
It's just to hard to believe.

 

[permacrete]

Microsoft didn't publish the PC version of Mass Effect, EA did. Therefore, apparently, it never happened in Microsoft Land.

I don't know this, but I read it: the reason that you get your crew-mate dossiers in 2 batches in Mass Effect 2 is because the 360 has to use two disks and can't force an install. If it were not for the limitations of the 360, you could recruit your crew in any order, which is why there exist sound files for Tali on Omega for Archangel's recruitment, for example. This would suggest that perhaps the PS3 would be a superior platform for enjoying Mass Effect games, if not for Microsoft's contractual arrangement to keep ME1 off of the PS3.

That's why I hate the idea of platform exclusives. You should buy a console, if you want one, based on the controller, the interface, the online stuff, the graphics hardware, the drive characteristics, etc. For a company to entice you to buy their equipment by paying game developers to not support the competing platforms is pathetic, like tying a pork chop around your kid's neck to get the dog to play with him.