Microsoft Prohibits Gamers From Cashing in on YouTube

[Cid Silverwing]

Wow.

Now the greed has turned into ANTI-greed?

 

[notimeforlulz]

Long story short: Microsoft will make damn sure you don't get paid for advertising their products for them.

 

[Korten12]

If this does anything at all to hurt MLG I'm completely okay with it. Microsoft is definitely the lesser of the two evils.

This doesn't effect MLG at all... and while I don't care for MLG... Why would you be okay with it hurting it?

How utterly moronic. I'd like to hear Rooster Teeth and Bungie speak out against this, as they both know that one of the main reasons that Halo is so popular is because it's built up such a massive online community.

Rooster Teeth are exempt from this, just like MLG, Machinima, all major gaming channels...

You normally already can't make money from videos on youtube unless you have a partnership with Machinima or one of the big channels or have a deal with the company. On all other occasions you would have to remove your videos.

Frank O'conner already addressed this and why the whole Halo community isn't complaining anyone but it literally effects NO ONE.

It's sad to see that the original article doesn't bother to update with this. :/

Honestly if this was really a big issue do you think only: 1,750 would have signed up for the petition as of two days now?

 

[Soak]

*snip*
What's next, Faber-Castell prohibiting you from making a profit on stories written or sketches drawn using their pencils?

Sketches, maybe, considering, a pencil, like a brush, a specific kind of paint and so on are tools for a painters work. For a writer, this would only be necessary, if the writer would be interested in presenting an actual manuscript, maybe if calligraphy was included, which is rather unusual for today. For most writers of course, the actual words and messages are more important.
Microsoft Office on the other hand...
Hope i'm safe for now, using LibreOffice most of the time. Otherwise i realy might get some trouble in the near future!

On Topic
Honestly, i kinda don't get it. Even if some are exempt and it won't affect most YouTubers anyways, why do that? What about Bloggers? I just can't stop thinking of this metaphor: A giant with Microsoft labeled on it's head, swatting at an insect with a button spelling "proud giant supporter" and constantly hitting itself in the process. Sure, i feel bad about the move, considering i think the restrictions around intellectual property are way to stiff already and not turning for the better right now, but usually i can understand those who are profit driven want to ensure they get what they desire. People giving it a review calling it a bad game don't even have to use ingame footage to do so, but could actually use this as an argument supporting their point, plus they are supported by the right of free press i think. If anyone wants to elaborate and tell me an actual reason Microsoft pulled that off, please do so, my brain hurts from that much stupidity.

 

[AdumbroDeus]

Poor business decision, the competitive community tends to drive sustainability for such games which in turn drives additional sales, all they're doing is cutting off their nose to spite their face.

 

[Nikolaz72]

Halo is (probably) (easily) the biggest game in the Machinima world this user license seems just flat wrong. It probably won't last very long.

Ach, this is off topic but... Chances are valvegames both before and even more so after the machinimatools were developed had more of those things.

(Btw I dont count headshot montages as machinima)

Then we have World of Warcraft.... if Valves not the largest im betting a loooad of coins that they are. I mean, 4 years ago they had more than anyone else in the business. The number of machinimas out of WoW have risen since then. And we are talking about everything from the usual comedy to flippin music videos. Im not even kidding, one of my classmates have made two of those things with original lyrics.

And if we are talking about the machinima channel.. Well.. ugh.

Long ago they decided that Modern Warfare2 and Halo3 were the only games in existance and focused on publishing stuff out of those, they had a drop in subscribers around then whom have now moved elsewhere. So now its understandable considering that CoD and Halo fans are amongst the few subscribers they have left to listen to their awfull codprograms... I mean, they made a SEPERATE CHANNEL for all the Cod, and 90% of the original one is still Cod.

 

[SmegInThePants]

Good, the more outrageous EULA's get, the more likely they'll officially become unenforceable.

As far as i'm concerned its an adhesive contract and unenforceable. (you buy a movie theatre ticket and on the back it says that by using the ticket you agree that they can search your car while you are watching the movie. not enforceable as there was no arms length negotiation (or often even any awareness) over said terms.)

 

[Korten12]

Rooster Teeth are Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked!

Can't say I'm surprised or bothered by this. You shouldn't be making money off of the hard work of others just because you got a few headshots.

Rooster Teeth are a small exception to this, being that they actually animate the stuff themselves. On second thought, do these guys have some sort of contract with Bungie or something? Because they outright sell DVDs.

In general they're exempt.

I don't think people realize but...

Microsoft didn't change anything. The EULA simply clarified things. It's the exact damn thing it was before. Frank O'conner clarified this and that's why the Halo community which originally got up in arms went silent after a day because they realized it was the same and no point in complaining.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43023018&postcount=117

As I mentioned in the Halo community thread, these rules actually haven't really changed, and even the updated and clarified text has been up there for months. I assume somebody just noticed this and posted this morning because it sort of blew up. This has always been the Legal status for the IP (and MOST IPs in fact), and as you also already know, nobody is being sued, or in jail, etc etc etc.

The language isn't designed to stop kids streaming their games, or covering their costs, it's designed to stop big companies from using somebody else's IP to run a business.

We'll put together some language that will help community people navigate this easily, and give people workarounds.

How utterly moronic. I'd like to hear Rooster Teeth and Bungie speak out against this, as they both know that one of the main reasons that Halo is so popular is because it's built up such a massive online community.

Rooster Teeth are exempt from this, just like MLG, Machinima, all major gaming channels...

I know, but as Red vs Blue/Rooster Teeth, MLG and Machinima are probably three of the main reasons that Halo is as popular as it is, these companies and Bungie know how important it is to have a strong online presence. And while this change may not have a huge effect, it still seems like an unnecessary dick-move.

I don't think Halo lives or dies based on if the players can make money.

 

[charge52]

So, will this effect Red vs. Blue? It better not...

I think RoosterTeeth has legal permission, pretty sure it's the only reason they are allowed to sell boxed DVDs for RvB.

 

[MPerce]

Huh. I thought this was already the rule. Oh, well.

At least my favorite Interwebz comedy team at Rooster Teeth should be in the clear since by now they've basically partnered with 343 Industries.

 

[Coffeejack]

I'm sure I'm not alone in having had unpleasant experiences with the Halo games and their fan base in the past, but this decision must be a bitter pill to swallow. I know I wouldn't be pleased if Bethesda or Valve had made a similar decision. A good Garry's Mod cartoon is like a little beam of sunlight.

 

[Sovereignty]

Eh maybe it'll thin the herd a bit. There's a crap load of shitty videos on youtube that pop up when I'm trying to search for something else.

 

[Treblaine]

Well, it's their IP, they are allowed to do whatever they want to do with it. It's not like they actually have to care about anyone else's interests.

Copyright laws says otherwise, the intellectual property owner DOES NOT have absolute control over it's use, there is such a thing as "Fair use" and the reason for the massive opposition to SOPA was that it undermined that.

Now Microsoft can call their their lawyers but only by out-spending can they possibly win, this dicta from Microsoft contradicts fair-use clause of US and International copyright law.

Critics are allowed to show footage of the media they review, as long as it is not the entire product. The thing is even a 100% completion Lets play is no match for the real thing as there is no gameplay distributed. It's the equivalent of showing still shots of a movie.

 

[Charli]

Daww I can smell the butt hurt from here Microsoft. Does it sting? Do you want some cream for it and a nice nap so you'll stop throwing a tantrum when someone else is borrows your toys without paying a fine?

...Good gravy on mashed potato companies are getting increasingly invasive and petulant this week. Can we just erect a giant 'fuck you' billboard outside all of their offices? Anyone?

Calling Deviantart to get torn down in the next few months for it's monster-load of fan art...

FF.net, you're next.

 

[Legion]

Well, it's their IP, they are allowed to do whatever they want to do with it. It's not like they actually have to care about anyone else's interests.

Of course they don't, but on the other hand this kind of attitude is not going to help them net sales, which is the most important thing to them. If you want people to buy your stuff, then the best way to do it is to show some respect to them.

If they object to people making walkthrough's to the game, then I can see their point. That might stop people from buying the game, as well as affecting sales from official strategy guides. But to object to music videos, montages and so on is just petty.

 

[Snotnarok]

I'm not exactly sure how this is enforseable, maybe I'm thinking about it the wrong way but isn't this like saying you can't sell any pics made in photoshop?
Or any animations made in Source Movie Maker can't be sold?

Either way I don't really think it's fair to do this considering LPs and commentaries sell games, it's why I wind up getting a lot of games anyway.

 

[Zenn3k]

What a HORRIBLY stupid idea.

Those videos generate LOTS of interest in the games being shown. If there are no Halo 4 videos, it can only HURT the franchise.

I wasn't gonna buy this game or watch these videos anyway myself, but still, what a absolutely TERRIBLE marketing decision.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Why? Please tell me how the fuck are youtubers who make money this way hurting Microsoft? Why are they stopping people from making a little extra money in this fucked up economy when it doesn't hurt them in any way? It's like wanting to be an asshole for the sole purpose of being an asshole. This isn't even in Microsoft's best interests. If I was the one making money this way I would stop buying ANYTHING Microsoft related. In fact, I would do everything in my power to persuade as many people as I can to stop buying Microsoft products.

I hope Windows 8 fails miserably.

 

[The_R3d_Fury]

Goodbye, Red Vs Blue

 

[StormShaun]

Goodbye, Red Vs Blue

Nope. Rooster Teeth has a contract with Microsoft, otherwise how would they get all the early access for Halo 4 to do PSAs and junk. Clearly they won't be effected by this, but for youtube commentators it might be hell for them when it is released. ^_^

On my opinion...it makes me sad.