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DavidTanis

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Well since I'm still on my first Xbox 360 (which I got about two months after launch) and I've replaced one controller because the left stick was getting a bit wiggly I'm inclined to think that there is plenty to defend besides brand loyalty. Oh and also Xbox Live didn't get hacked.
 

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Kingme18 said:
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What I hate about these threads is there is always one person who types this line. "This has not been a problem for me and my Xbox works just fine." Just fine and dandy random person on the internet who thinks that everybody else must treat their stuff like crap. Like how mine broke as well and is sitting in my closet never to be played again.
That one random person and bunch of other people. I have only had one 360 break down on me and that was 2 years after launch AND after being thrown down a flight of stairs. On my second 360 and it works perfectly since 2009.
And then that awkward moment where even more people back you up and say that I have owned a 360 for 4 years and it has never been a problem to me ever.... Yeah.
And then the EVEN MORE awkward moment when another person tells you that they owned the launch 360 for 5 years until they dropped a bottle of Jack Daniels on it (I was drunk) and now they have a 2 year old slim version that works like a dream.
 

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Vigormortis said:
Xangba said:
Good points. Your friend seems to grasp the essence of what makes each platform better. However, I'd argue that PCs are still better for FPS games. Simply by way of the speed and accuracy of a mouse. Not that there's anything wrong with an analog stick for a shooter, it's just that it's inherently less responsive, comparatively speaking.

Though, one could argue further that PCs can use both keyboard/mouse and almost any controller they want. But that's not really the point.

Consoles give the player a bit of ease when it comes to gaming. Just pop in the disc (download the updates, derp), and start playing.

However, for anyone that's even mildly tech-savvy, PCs will always be just as easy. And, in many cases, can function with the same ease as a console. Hell, I've got my rig hooked up to my flat-screen TV and a monitor. So I can multi-task with some application(s) on the monitor and a game full-screened on the big TV. So I can just sit back on my couch and game.
Yeah I personally like the feel of a mouse better, but then again I grew up on a computer (dad was a computer tech), and plus a large number of people like the feel of an analog stick better (easily indicated by sales numbers). Just hold your thumb in a direction instead of moving your entire hand, which looking at it like that really does make it clear it's a different feel, even if hand movement is minimal. And like I said, what he said was in regard to base equipment, so controller for console and mouse/keyboard for computers, so there's no possible "You can have this!" "Yeah but you pay for it!" type argument.
 

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had my xbox for 4 years(basic white addition)
no RROD yet
had my pc for several years
take a healthy interest in mods (performance mods are the cat's pajamas, lookin at you skyboost)
dont see everyone's problem
 

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It just proves the ol' saying true: If something doesn't break, Microsoft didn't make it
I'm disagreeing with this. I've had my Xbox since Christmas 2007, and have not encountered a single problem with it whatsoever.

EDIT: Also to OP, if you can't stand how Microsoft acts on its tactics, shouldn't you have stopped paying for an Xbox before your 4th one?
 

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snippy snip
Well, so much for not responding. Guess I just can't resist making a counter-point.

I didn't "refute" your claims because they were so ludicrous I didn't see a point. You lambast the OP for her/his personal experiences with the hardware, implying that she/he is CLEARLY at fault for all the woes she/he faced. Then, you go to speaking on your own experiences and follow that up by saying, in effect, "Don't try to tell me your experiences. I'm right and that's that."

Beyond the blatant hypocrisy of the statement, it also seems to imply a sense if insecurity in opinion. Why are you so afraid of someone saying something different than you? Are you afraid you'll change your mind? Does it scare you to lose your loyalty to the Microsoft brand?

You know what? Screw it. I'm going to go ahead and "refute" your "claims". Let's take them in kind, shall we?

Mods.
Most are "cheats" and not a one improves the game at all? Pardon me while I have a hearty laugh.....

Okay, back to the discussion. This is laughable because, if you actually knew "about all the mods [we're] so dying to tell [you] about", then you'd never say what you said. There are hundreds of mods out there that were made by the community for the sole purpose of making the core game better because the developers failed to fix it.

Take Borderlands. The PC build was fundamentally broken. (one could argue all builds were, but whatever) Yet, Gearbox never bothered to do a damn thing to address the issues. So the community stepped up to do what Gearbox was too lazy and untalented to do themselves. As a result, the PC build became far better than the console builds. Because of mods.

This doesn't even begin to address the thousands of mods that do more than just add to the game, but are more often than not full games in their own right. In some cases, full conversions. Like the one I'm prepping to play tonight called Cry of Fear. A full-conversion mod of Half-Life.

Granted, not all mods are of what one might call "good quality", but the same statement applies to everything, so it doesn't really matter.

RROD
You and "many others" may not have a problem with the RROD, but just as many or more do. I have yet to come across someone, save yourself, who was "okay" with their Xbox RROD'ing. And while I think the OP may have been going a bit too far with the rant, going into the realm of hyperbole, I do feel her/his pain. Especially given that, just like if your harddrive dies on your PC, you have to go through a reinstall process with your games. Except, in the case of the 360, you also have to transfer the access rights for the games from your old console profile to your new console. Which is a hassle that's often made worse by only being able to do this once a year or so.

Power to Price
I know you said you "really don't feel like debating this one", but if that were true then why bother starting the argument with a "claim"?

Speaking of which, this "claim" would have had merit....four years ago. Today, I can easily[/b] build a gaming machine, from scratch, that'll play any game out today for less than what it'll cost you to get an Xbox, a controller, and a year of Live. And, it'll be drastically more powerful than your 360.

Yes, it would most likely be a desktop, but there are desktops that are small enough that they even look like a console. Add to that the fact that you can easily hook it up to your TV instead of a monitor, and...well...what's the point of a console at that point? I have my rig hooked up to a monitor and my big-screen TV. So I can do work on the monitor while I sit back and relax on my couch to play a game on the big screen.

PCs are only as reliable as the user. If you're careless, ignorant to the ins-and-outs of basic computer functionality, and download of lot of illegal data, then of course you'll have issues. If you're careful, have a basic level of knowledge on computers, and are mindful of what you put on your machine, you'll be just fine. Just like with a console. (though, one could argue that with your PC, you can more easily address any issues that come up because, if you built it yourself, you know what's in it. with a console, if it goes awry, you're SOL)

PCs have no more issues with their GPUs than consoles do. Maybe you don't realize this but consoles have graphics cards too. And, just like a PC, if you don't take care of it, it'll break.

I've no idea what you're on about with your "There is always a problem.....with the in-game content" Would seem to me consoles have just as many "problems" in this regard as PCs do.

Also, "install" and "performance". Pardon me while I laugh again....

Maybe you haven't noticed, but a LOT of console games now require you to install it to your hard drive. In most cases, to help with it's "performance". So the irony of your statement is doubly funny.

Exclusives and Live
As for this, well, most of what you said is opinion. I don't refute opinion. It's a fair point you've made, given that there are lots of exclusives to PC that I can't get on a 360 as well.

However, I will argue that Live is only "accessible" and only has "good servers" if you're playing the newest, most popular titles of the day. If your game of choice isn't quite as popular or is more than 2 years old, it tends to have terrible servers, shoddy match-making, and little to no support on Microsofts end.

(though, I would still argue that "excellent service" isn't a term I'd use for Live as, for one example, after SEVEN YEARS they've still not fixed the damn party-chat system. that thing crashes more than a Windows phone. ironically.)




All that said, I don't take issue with you playing your Xbox. Nor you preferring it to another platform. We all like to game, so what does it matter what platform we use? Like I had said, I game on both. But if you're gonna call someone (the OP) out on their gripes over something, make sure you can validate your claims before you lambast them for theirs.
 

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Composer said:
had my xbox for 4 years(basic white addition)
no RROD yet
had my pc for several years
take a healthy interest in mods (performance mods are the cat's pajamas, lookin at you skyboost)
dont see everyone's problem
Pretty much my thinking.

I've tried to defend both sides in several threads like this. Defending PC when the console-fans come out in force. Defending the consoles when the PC-fans come out in force.

In EVERY case, I'm branded as either a "PC elitist" or a "console tard". Despite defending both and point out flaws in both platforms.

When it comes to this age-old debate, I take a page from the film War Games.

"The only way to win is not to play."

As such, I will now bow out of this topic.
 
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Vigormortis said:
MrDeckard said:
snippy snip
Well, so much for not responding. Guess I just can't resist making a counter-point.

I didn't "refute" your claims because they were so ludicrous I didn't see a point. You lambast the OP for her/his personal experiences with the hardware, implying that she/he is CLEARLY at fault for all the woes she/he faced. Then, you go to speaking on your own experiences and follow that up by saying, in effect, "Don't try to tell me your experiences. I'm right and that's that."

Beyond the blatant hypocrisy of the statement, it also seems to imply a sense if insecurity in opinion. Why are you so afraid of someone saying something different than you? Are you afraid you'll change your mind? Does it scare you to lose your loyalty to the Microsoft brand?

You know what? Screw it. I'm going to go ahead and "refute" your "claims". Let's take them in kind, shall we?

Mods.
Most are "cheats" and not a one improves the game at all? Pardon me while I have a hearty laugh.....

Okay, back to the discussion. This is laughable because, if you actually knew "about all the mods [we're] so dying to tell [you] about", then you'd never say what you said. There are hundreds of mods out there that were made by the community for the sole purpose of making the core game better because the developers failed to fix it.

Take Borderlands. The PC build was fundamentally broken. (one could argue all builds were, but whatever) Yet, Gearbox never bothered to do a damn thing to address the issues. So the community stepped up to do what Gearbox was too lazy and untalented to do themselves. As a result, the PC build became far better than the console builds. Because of mods.

This doesn't even begin to address the thousands of mods that do more than just add to the game, but are more often than not full games in their own right. In some cases, full conversions. Like the one I'm prepping to play tonight called Cry of Fear. A full-conversion mod of Half-Life.

Granted, not all mods are of what one might call "good quality", but the same statement applies to everything, so it doesn't really matter.

RROD
You and "many others" may not have a problem with the RROD, but just as many or more do. I have yet to come across someone, save yourself, who was "okay" with their Xbox RROD'ing. And while I think the OP may have been going a bit too far with the rant, going into the realm of hyperbole, I do feel her/his pain. Especially given that, just like if your harddrive dies on your PC, you have to go through a reinstall process with your games. Except, in the case of the 360, you also have to transfer the access rights for the games from your old console profile to your new console. Which is a hassle that's often made worse by only being able to do this once a year or so.

Power to Price
I know you said you "really don't feel like debating this one", but if that were true then why bother starting the argument with a "claim"?

Speaking of which, this "claim" would have had merit....four years ago. Today, I can easily[/b] build a gaming machine, from scratch, that'll play any game out today for less than what it'll cost you to get an Xbox, a controller, and a year of Live. And, it'll be drastically more powerful than your 360.

Yes, it would most likely be a desktop, but there are desktops that are small enough that they even look like a console. Add to that the fact that you can easily hook it up to your TV instead of a monitor, and...well...what's the point of a console at that point? I have my rig hooked up to a monitor and my big-screen TV. So I can do work on the monitor while I sit back and relax on my couch to play a game on the big screen.

PCs are only as reliable as the user. If you're careless, ignorant to the ins-and-outs of basic computer functionality, and download of lot of illegal data, then of course you'll have issues. If you're careful, have a basic level of knowledge on computers, and are mindful of what you put on your machine, you'll be just fine. Just like with a console. (though, one could argue that with your PC, you can more easily address any issues that come up because, if you built it yourself, you know what's in it. with a console, if it goes awry, you're SOL)

PCs have no more issues with their GPUs than consoles do. Maybe you don't realize this but consoles have graphics cards too. And, just like a PC, if you don't take care of it, it'll break.

I've no idea what you're on about with your "There is always a problem.....with the in-game content" Would seem to me consoles have just as many "problems" in this regard as PCs do.

Also, "install" and "performance". Pardon me while I laugh again....

Maybe you haven't noticed, but a LOT of console games now require you to install it to your hard drive. In most cases, to help with it's "performance". So the irony of your statement is doubly funny.

Exclusives and Live
As for this, well, most of what you said is opinion. I don't refute opinion. It's a fair point you've made, given that there are lots of exclusives to PC that I can't get on a 360 as well.

However, I will argue that Live is only "accessible" and only has "good servers" if you're playing the newest, most popular titles of the day. If your game of choice isn't quite as popular or is more than 2 years old, it tends to have terrible servers, shoddy match-making, and little to no support on Microsofts end.

(though, I would still argue that "excellent service" isn't a term I'd use for Live as, for one example, after SEVEN YEARS they've still not fixed the damn party-chat system. that thing crashes more than a Windows phone. ironically.)




All that said, I don't take issue with you playing your Xbox. Nor you preferring it to another platform. We all like to game, so what does it matter what platform we use? Like I had said, I game on both. But if you're gonna call someone (the OP) out on their gripes over something, make sure you can validate your claims before you lambast them for theirs.

Holy wall of text, Batman!

Loved they way you took the time to type out format, and bold your response by the way...

I must say, you are a very impassioned person on this issue.

Alright, I'll be honest. I wrote my OP in a bit of a rage and it could have been far less dickish. Most of my points stand with a bit of rational adjusting... I just get sick of the "PC is better and that is a given" vibe that comes from these threads.

We REALLY need to stop these threads. I have yet to see one that hasn't devolved into at least vicious arguing if not a full fledged flamewar. [sub/]alliteration is fun...[/sub]
 

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Hey you guys, I'm sorry I largely ignored my topic after my initial post. I'm actually overly sensitive off the forums and saw the large number of quotes in my message box and was putting off reading them because usually the case with forums is people really tear into you. I'm actually incredibly surprised not one of you who quoted me were insulting, I'm really impressed with this forum.

Now that I've had the opportunity to relax a little bit after my very unfortunate luck with my new limited edition controllers which completely SUCKS I was stoked when I got them (I keep hearing xbox controllers are supposedly high quality, am I really that cursed?) I've come to the conclusion that next gen I really hope microsoft learns its lesson and never releases a console with such poor durability just to be first. I have to say it but they really dropped the ball with that whole rrod thing.

Honestly? I think I will just make myself a custom gaming rig computer that will last me 2-3 years into the next consoles lifespan. By that time the problems will be weeded out with it, it seems the first batch of consoles are usually awful. (except the backwards compatible ps3, thats pretty sweet!) Who knows, maybe I won't even look back. All hail to my new steam and gamers gate overlords I guess. But the gap on the pc is big enough to move over to till the eventual release and ironing out of the next consoles happens. Maybe pick myself up limited editions of them also!

Anyways, thanks again for not trashing on me and actually discussing my points.
 

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Next gen microsoft NEEDS to lose the race
That's where the wii U comes in.
all the gamecube fanboys who have been without a flagship will return to the big N.
#fact
 

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Crono1973 said:
loc978 said:
I'd just like to say, I called this in early 2002 when I discovered Microsoft made a game console.

Initial reaction: "Microsoft... hardware? This won't end well."
Yeah because Microsoft keyboards and mice have always been unreliable, right?
sort of a different level of hardware there, bud... also yeah, they've never been very tough.
 

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Jitters Caffeine said:
I got a used one that's been working just fine since the day I got it. Don't know what you're doing to yours to make them explode, but it can't be on the list of Do's for the system.
This ^

Had my old shape Pro for over 3 years and still using the same controller too. WTF some people do to their gaming hardware I can't believe. I mean, I'm sympathetic cause RROD is a real problem, but...

I have mine horizontal, turn it off after every gaming session, NEVER let it sit running (ever), almost always use the controller to open and close the disc tray, and never chuck my controller. I need to go shine my halo now.
 
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MrDeckard said:
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MrDeckard said:
A couple of things.

1) Screw mods. Most are cheats of some kind and while I enjoy SOME mods, most just don't improve my game-play experience enough for me to make the switch to PC. And this IS NOT an invitation for you to suggest ANYTHING!!! I know about ALL the mods you are so dying to tell me about.

2) I, like many others, didn't have much of a problem with the RROD. One time about a year into use, sent it in, had it back for free in less than a month.

3) Power for price. A brand new 360 was $400. A laptop(I move too much to have a desktop) that could do the same thing would have cost around 1000-1500. And I REALLY don't feel like debating this one. In addition to this, PC just isn't as reliable. There is always a problem. With install, with the graphics card, with the in-game content, with the performance. And if you found some deal/computer that blows what I just said away, quite frankly I don't care. I am talking from experience.

4) Exclusive games and ease of use. Not only are there several games I LOVE that are only on 360, but I feel that Xbox LIVE is completely worth it for excellent service, good servers and great accessibility.

If you feel differently, that's fine. I however, will be playing my 360 for a VERY long time.
Reading this has made my brain malfunction and given me a headache.
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I just get so sick of the "PC is better. This is a fact you cannot argue in any way" vibe from these threads.
Doing the exact opposite does not make you any better than PC elitists just to put it out there. Seriously, if you actually take the time to look around you'll see there's so much shit on both sides and other people get sick of hearsay and rumours perpetuated by people who know nothing of the platform.

So I will agree on the PC notion gets annoying but so does bad anecdotal evidence that has been refuted many times but people refuse to believe it has been done so. There ways all platforms are superior and you cannot argue that the other is superior.
 

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Eh, I wouldn't mind if Microsoft dropped out of the console market.

But I love my XBOX360. It comes with plenty of glorious Cave shooters.<3
 

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Xeraxis said:
Skopintsev said:
It just proves the ol' saying true: If something doesn't break, Microsoft didn't make it
I'm disagreeing with this. I've had my Xbox since Christmas 2007, and have not encountered a single problem with it whatsoever.

EDIT: Also to OP, if you can't stand how Microsoft acts on its tactics, shouldn't you have stopped paying for an Xbox before your 4th one?
 

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IckleMissMayhem said:
By that logic, your console not working doesn't mean much either.
Right, Affirmative statements are completely equatable to rebuttals that you haven't had a problem.

Iron Criterion said:
It means a lot to the thread actually. It's called healthy debate, and for a debate to be successful and not just a flame-war you need differing opinions backed up by personal experience.
Debates rarely operate on anecdotes. at least, not as primary evidence. I think you might have been thinking of something else. Or you're really poor at debate.

It doesn't appear this was intended as a debate, either way.

If we only had a bunch of people with consoles that didn't work berating Microsoft it would paint a very inaccurate but dangerous picture.
I doubt anything will paint a worse picture than the rather accurate one painted by Microsoft actually admitting to the problem in the first place and spending over a billion on fixing it.

And considering you have designated yourself 'intelligent' enough to be condescending toward me, than I hope you can see I was more pointing out how hypocritical and unfair his "your personal experience doesn't count but mine does because it bashes Microsoft" argument was. Really now.
I can see that even though you are chastising me over my so-called "condescending" demonstration of intellect, you had no problem with dropping a strawman fallacy on me by misrepresenting my claim as something it wasn't.

Especially awesome since you're the one claiming "debate." Are logical fallacies and anecdotes your idea of healthy debate?
 

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loc978 said:
Crono1973 said:
loc978 said:
I'd just like to say, I called this in early 2002 when I discovered Microsoft made a game console.

Initial reaction: "Microsoft... hardware? This won't end well."
Yeah because Microsoft keyboards and mice have always been unreliable, right?
sort of a different level of hardware there, bud... also yeah, they've never been very tough.
It's hardware and I used Microsoft keyboards and mice for years with no trouble at all. These days I use Logitech because it's cheaper but I still wouldn't think twice about buying a Microsoft wireless desktop.

What do you do with your keyboards and mice, throw them against the wall?

The 360 was junk until recently, the original XBOX wasn't that reliable either but to say Microsoft hardware always sucked is stretching it.
 

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Heh, I got to it literally through just typing it in google. Haven't read the whole thread, found your post through a quite.
Alright, benefit of the doubt. I'd just replied to another post that provided that link, and when your post came to me via my inbox it didn't include the link. But moving on.

TheKasp said:
Big news: All games are licenses. Always were. Software is ALWAYS just licensed.
Always? Since when? Even in the days when you had a disc (CD, floppy, take your pick) and didn't need an internet connection to enable it?

TheKasp said:
Then you should not be gaming. Bugs and such were always there. "Complete games at launch" never existed.
*sigh* Alright, I'll be more specific: as complete as reasonably possible. To paraphrase ZP, there was an era before widespread internet access that meant that games had to be released with as little in the way of glitches as possible, lest the developers be sentenced to death by brontosaurus.

And let's say that I own an Xbox, and I don't have internet access. That's a not exactly a rare situation. And let's say that I buy a game only to find it so buggy that it's unplayable, but all my internet-having friends tell me that the first patch made things great. Why should a developer get off scot-free for selling an obviously broken product? Is it just a way to escape paying betatesters?

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Community Support after release is also more than just DLC and simple bugfixes. Witcher 2 offered extra content to all when they release Witcher 2 on Xbox 360, also they patched another difficulty mod.
Oh, I know about the extra stuff for Witcher 2. I also know that the appeal of 'free, awesome game' is stronger than '$60+ game with free additions,' hence why it was pirated so much.

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TF2 gets patched around every week to keep a proper balancing. Espeically MP titles need community support to not die.
As a direct result of adding new stuff, I imagine. And during the periods when you're not adding new stuff, why would you need weekly balance updates? Wouldn't that just indicate that you're not very good at balancing the game?

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Again: Nice to see that you support this and just want to see big titles to have any kind of longliving support on consoles. I prefer my PC where indie devs can patch without paying for it.
When did I say that I liked the idea of the slightly-verified '$40,000' patch thing? It seems stupid from even a purely business-oriented POV.

TheKasp said:
Let me rephrase that: If you sink a grand into a gaming laptop then you are an idiot.
Okay...for what reasons? Because I could have gotten this hypothetical laptop for less, or because I bought one at all?

TheKasp said:
If you have regular problems with crashes, games and viruses you are incompetent.
Yeah, because that's a great way to appeal to people who aren't regular PC users: "Come join us! But if you have any problems, you're a dumbass."

TheKasp said:
But on the other hand I won't go out and say that you can find a gaming laptop or even PC capable of running modern games better than the 360 for 250$. 400$ for PC, maybe ~600$ (most likely 700$) for a gaming laptop should do it.
Okay...got examples? 'Cause that'd be awesome.

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Char-Nobyl said:
Steam is only licensing you use of the games
All software is licenses, you don't own your Xbox games either. Get over it.
Sure I do. I can take the disc (remember those?) for practically every game I own and put it into a friend's Xbox and have it work just the same way. Unless the Microsoft repo team comes to my house to confiscate my game discs, I call bullshit.
 

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i been trough 5 xbox, 1 brand new that got red rings, 2 and 3 broke right after i got them from microsoft as replacement and had to send back. Number 4 had E74. and number 5 is still working but collecting dust next to my ps3 and wii since i got a gaming pc.

the good thing i only paid for the first one because they all broke withing the warranty time.
 

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Wolfram01 said:
Well, nothing official. Still, seems pretty outrageous. I guess it's the same/similar on all consoles, but at least on PC a dev can just throw a patch up on their website. Free minus the cost of the server space.
I'll agree with, but that's a product of computers being internet-connected by nature. Tough to do that with 360s. Even the 'free' gaming services aren't able to just connect to the internet without going through a patron client.

Wolfram01 said:
Honestly, I'm not sure what you mean about the PS3 jibe. Granted, I don't play a lot of PS3 games online, used to play a fair bit of CoD and Gran Turismo though as well as Demon's Souls, and didn't have any issues. I suppose the hacking thing was sucky but fortunately it didn't affect me.
Basically, it's the byproduct of any 'free' support service. There is no motivation for a company to put any more than the bare minimum amount of capital into keeping them running. As nice as a company might seem, their motivations must be to turn a profit. If they don't, they cease to be a company anymore, mostly due to lack of money.

With PSN, there was no direct financial motivation for Sony to pay top-dollar to protect it from hacking. What are PS3 users going to do if they're dissatisfied with the online service? Switching consoles is too drastic-looking a step, and a lot of the main titles of the PS3 are predominantly single-player games.

Wolfram01 said:
Also, aren't all the consoles also designed to connect to the net? I mean they have ethernet ports just like a PC, and even include wireless which goes beyond most PCs. Basically, I don't see why exclude it from the list. Most PC game apps like Steam, Origin, Impulse, GFWL are totally free - although some of them suck some serious donkey you know what.
They're capable of it, yes, but up until the latest incarnation of the 360, for instance, you needed a special attachment if you wanted to connect to a WiFi network, and even then it requires an...operating system for lack of a better term. And while I don't want to pretend I know more about internet connections than I actually do, I imagine that consoles being far less open to user-tampering than computers means that it falls on Microsoft to do all the things that users would normally do to maintain their hardware.

Wolfram01 said:
And well, the Wii... yeah... but, at least you can get Netflix on the Wii without a subscription to "Wii Live" lol.
True, but does that fall on Microsoft, or Netflix? Remember that the latter wanted to make DVD rentals and streaming separate services, and barely got cowed into not doing so by negative feedback. I wouldn't be surprised if this is one reason why they backed down: Microsoft and Netflix worked out a mutually beneficial deal.

Wolfram01 said:
Well... sort of. I suppose I put that very badly. Most mods are things like new textures and meshes, or simple edits of in game items - things that are not changed on a patch to patch basis. The likelyhood of a mod that adds a new armor or weapon or house breaking the game are extremely low.
But if you're using something that alters textures across the board, what happens when the game gets something added to it? The texture mod certainly didn't include it when release. That's the main reason I stopped using an otherwise awesome Minecraft texture pack: things got added almost every patch, and it caused problems that outweighed the benefits of said mod.

Wolfram01 said:
The two examples I listed are literally the only two I know of right now. Neither of them will break the game if they aren't working and so far have been pretty quick to get updated after a patch.
That leads to similar problems to the 'free service' thing mentioned earlier: what motivation do modders have to produce, for free, updated mods every time the game gets patched? It's like having people paid to render the job you did for free useless, unless you modify it...also for free.

Wolfram01 said:
Well I guess the obvious thing to state is that nobody is stealing person data if a PC dies. I assume you mean you lose all your stored photos and other personal effects if a hard drive dies, and yes that is unfortunate. There are ways of mitigating that, though, from using cloud storage to backing up your own stuff on an external drive or just using RAID 1 (mirrors data between multiple drives).
Call me old fashioned, but I like to keep my tech in separate roles, particularly for that reason. I still keep an external hard drive, but that won't be of much comfort when I can't type up an assignment for that week because something gaming-related crashed my computer.

Wolfram01 said:
Depends on the PC, a lot of them like Dells and HPs have limited warranties for a couple years. But, if you build your own, you generally get pretty good coverage. Most of my parts came with 2-3 year warranties, some are lifetime. It's really not that different from a console, though. Once the warranty is up you gotta pay to send it out and get it fixed.
Fair enough. Though I'm hearing 'building your own computer' mentioned a good deal, and that falls outside my skill area. And I don't have much motivation to learn how mostly because of previously mentioned issues of desktop portability.

Wolfram01 said:
Um... thanks. I swear I'm not trying to be super argumentative here, rather just clear up (what I feel are) a few misconceptions.
No worries. You're coming across well, which is a feat when you're talking over a medium that doesn't have things like inflection to indicate tone.