Microsoft Xbox needs to die.

[Private Custard]

And you will blow up your first gaming PC

Only if you're a fucking idiot!

Me, I have consoles dating back to the Master System that are all played and still running perfectly. I build my own PCs. I own and use four grands worth of camera gear regularly and also build large car audio setups, none of which have ever failed.

I've also had five 360s die on me over the years, all of which are kept well ventilated and are even treated to good, clean power. Only one ever lasted more than eight months, and one lasted under an hour before the DVD drive started making grinding noises.

So, looking at the above evidence, and also adding that I've opened up 360s for the RROD fix and can confirm the awful design, whos fault is it?!!

 

[Ayanle Mohamed]

Here's what happened to me: my xbox RROD, my ps3 YLOD, and my PC's hard drive randomly died. I had to fall back on my DS until they were all repaired. With an experience as awful as yours, of course you wouldn't like it; you didn't have a good experience. Which isn't to say you aren't biased, you are, but it's not necessarily a bad thing.

Take one of my friends for example: Prerelease, he was selling up the 3ds like mad. He loved it like it was his baby. then, it got stolen on a train, and now he bashes nintendo at every possible turn.

*edit* my point being that your experiences can affect the way you slant your opinons.

 

[Jelly ^.^]

Welp, I had one Xbox stop working by a non-RROD problem while it was under an extended warranty and got a whole new one shipped with free games and controllers. that one has been going for at least 3 years now with no problems.

I don't use XBox Live, so I have nothing to complain about.

Also, I was one of the people who donated my voice to help the Kinect localisation here, so theoretically any Australian one should bend to my will as it should have my voice patterns exactly.

Apart from that, the two main reasons I chose the 360 over the PS3 were the price difference and because I thought Microsoft were going to do something with Rare besides running them into the ground.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

Nehrim mod for Oblivion.
Project Reality for Battlefield/ARMA
Midas' Magic Mod for Skyrim
Chernobyl Enhanced for STALKER
Prelude for Portal
Insurgency (Source Mod)

The list goes on and on.

Counter-Strike
Team Fortress
STALKER Misery
Europa Barbarorum
Magna Mundi
Dear Esther
Research and Development
The Stanley Parable

To name what I've installed at the moment. And most of your list is also installed.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

Nehrim mod for Oblivion.
Project Reality for Battlefield/ARMA
Midas' Magic Mod for Skyrim
Chernobyl Enhanced for STALKER
Prelude for Portal
Insurgency (Source Mod)

The list goes on and on.

Counter-Strike
Team Fortress
STALKER Misery
Europa Barbarorum
Magna Mundi
Dear Esther
Research and Development
The Stanley Parable

To name what I've installed at the moment. And most of your list is also installed.

 

[loc978]

I'd just like to say, I called this in early 2002 when I discovered Microsoft made a game console.

Initial reaction: "Microsoft... hardware? This won't end well."

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

A couple of things.

1) Screw mods. Most are cheats of some kind and while I enjoy SOME mods, most just don't improve my game-play experience enough for me to make the switch to PC. And this IS NOT an invitation for you to suggest ANYTHING!!! I know about ALL the mods you are so dying to tell me about.

2) I, like many others, didn't have much of a problem with the RROD. One time about a year into use, sent it in, had it back for free in less than a month.

3) Power for price. A brand new 360 was $400. A laptop(I move too much to have a desktop) that could do the same thing would have cost around 1000-1500. And I REALLY don't feel like debating this one. In addition to this, PC just isn't as reliable. There is always a problem. With install, with the graphics card, with the in-game content, with the performance. And if you found some deal/computer that blows what I just said away, quite frankly I don't care. I am talking from experience.

4) Exclusive games and ease of use. Not only are there several games I LOVE that are only on 360, but I feel that Xbox LIVE is completely worth it for excellent service, good servers and great accessibility.

If you feel differently, that's fine. I however, will be playing my 360 for a VERY long time.

Reading this has made my brain malfunction and given me a headache.

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I just get so sick of the "PC is better. This is a fact you cannot argue in any way" vibe from these threads.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

A couple of things.

1) Screw mods. Most are cheats of some kind and while I enjoy SOME mods, most just don't improve my game-play experience enough for me to make the switch to PC. And this IS NOT an invitation for you to suggest ANYTHING!!! I know about ALL the mods you are so dying to tell me about.

2) I, like many others, didn't have much of a problem with the RROD. One time about a year into use, sent it in, had it back for free in less than a month.

3) Power for price. A brand new 360 was $400. A laptop(I move too much to have a desktop) that could do the same thing would have cost around 1000-1500. And I REALLY don't feel like debating this one. In addition to this, PC just isn't as reliable. There is always a problem. With install, with the graphics card, with the in-game content, with the performance. And if you found some deal/computer that blows what I just said away, quite frankly I don't care. I am talking from experience.

4) Exclusive games and ease of use. Not only are there several games I LOVE that are only on 360, but I feel that Xbox LIVE is completely worth it for excellent service, good servers and great accessibility.

If you feel differently, that's fine. I however, will be playing my 360 for a VERY long time.

So...basically what I'm reading here is, "I'm a console fan who doesn't like someone talking trash about my platform. So here are my (ill-informed) thoughts on the matter and I don't care what you have to say because I'm right and don't want someone to prove me wrong."

That's just...just...wow. Not even sure how to respond to that.

Don't worry though, I'm not going to debate any of this with you. It's clear you've no intention on hearing anything but what Microsoft feeds you.

Also, to take a page from your book of 'posting rules', feel free to NOT respond as I'll be extending you the same courtesy you give to others. By that I mean ignoring you.

(Oh, and for the record, I'm NOT a PC elitist. I've owned one or two consoles from every generation since the NES era. So I don't hate consoles. Well, until this current generation that is.)

Doesn't refute claims.
Says he doesn't want to debate, responds anyway.
Admits OP was just talking trash.
Ad Hominems.
Insults.

Makes perfect sense...

Cheers mate!

 

[MyNameIsNowNotMyName]

.........Okay where are you buying your xboxes? And how do you treat them? Because my mother bought me one for christmas off of Ebay a while back and it's worked fine for years, a few hiccups, but it is getting old after all. I love my xbox, I don't mind paying for live (yes I am a little pissed that I have to pay to use netflix I've alreay paid for) but at only 60 dollars a year, its not too bad, that's only 5 dollars a month (especially since I always buy mine when I can get a good deal, 20 dollars off at least).

I have Mass Effect and while I don't currently own a copy of Skyrim I have played it and loved it and am intending to buy it some day (it was a choice between Skyrim an ME3, ME won) and I have no need, nor want to mod those games. I do not look at PC gamers with longing. If I wanted it to mod, I'd have gotten it for the PC, but I don't care so I'm good with it how it is.

I also saw no price hike on xbox live...maybe you're not in the US so we're in different situations, but I don't know what raising in price you're talking about.

Now I would comment on the whole updates and the indie developers but I honestly don't know much about all that so I'm not going to pretend to know something I don't.

If you hate the xbox so much I don't really understand why you went out and bought a fourth one...sorry you're having so much trouble, but...I like my xbox and I don't think there's any reason for microsoft to die.

They raised the price from $50 a year to $60 about, like, maybe 7 months ago? My memory is bad.

 

[Kriptonite]

-Microsoft snip-

If you don't like Microsoft so much, why keep buying consoles and controllers? If you don't like it, don't buy it.

 

[Easton Dark]

2. by principle Vanilla game should be good enough, if its not I'll find somthing else to play

Also, about the mods, I agree with Vault101. If the game hasn't convinced me on its own merit, then I'm not gonna bother modding it. I'd just stop playing it.

But that's the point of mods... to make the game you liked better and/or give it a new feeling.

You two should try it. I can help >_> <_<

 

[Epona]

I'd just like to say, I called this in early 2002 when I discovered Microsoft made a game console.

Initial reaction: "Microsoft... hardware? This won't end well."

Yeah because Microsoft keyboards and mice have always been unreliable, right?

 

[Awexsome]

For each shiny mod that goes beyond small customization I get for a PC game I'm met with 10 crashes or problems. The troubleshooting is the worst about PC for me along with the price tag.

For the 360 I've had one RRoD it's whole lifespan and I was angry and upset at it. For the PC I have problems every week and I get angry and upset at it. One gives me far more grief than the other. If TF2 and some strategy/RTS games weren't so fun there's no way I'd put up with it.

Any 360 game has a 100% chance to work on my 360 and I expect my 360 to work 100% of the time. My standards have to be far lower to put up with the PC. Some people will put up with that because they've gotten used to it or see the advanced technology as worth it but I don't.

 

[Xangba]

While i adore PC gaming, it isn't cheap. you complain about going through 4 xboxs and some controlers, yeah that's 2 gaming PCs. And you will blow up your first gaming PC so yeah 4 xboxs you're still spending less.

I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

Ever heard of a game called Counter Strike? because it was a mod. lets list a few other games that started as mods.

DOTA (a mod which created an entire genre of games)
Team Fortress (started as a quake mod)
Nehrim - (Oblivion mod that is pretty much an entirely new game)

There's also the unofficial Oblivion patch. A fix to many many many (not all) of the bugs in Oblivion. A patch. Created by gamers to fix a game the developers couldn't. half arsed indeed.

Now, I don't know about that. I still have my gaming PCs from 2004 and from 1998. I still use the one from '04 on occasion to play things that, well, don't quite "agree" with Windows 7, .net framework 3, Direct X 9+, or OpenGL 3.0+.

In general, I've found you can buy much more reliable hardware for a PC when compared to the made-on-the-cheap hardware you usually get in today's consoles. I know not all Xboxes fail, but the failure rate of Microsofts console is still quite high. Higher than would usually be considered acceptable in other product lines.

Also, even if you "blow up" your first gaming rig, it's usually only one or two pieces of hardware that'll go. And you can easily replace them without having to shell out a fortune. In most cases, a good bit less than you'd pay getting a couple of controllers for a console, let along another console.

Unless you're buying pre-built. In which case, oh yeah, you're quite right. That'll cost you WAY more than getting a couple of consoles.

But then, I never recommend going pre-built. It's like buying an unreliable console, only for eight times the price.

Beat me to it. Yeah basically pre-made computer is like buying...well anything. It's designed to wear out so you have to get another one. Learning about computers isn't really all that hard, and in the long run managing a couple parts every few years is pretty simple and relatively cheap. Also anyone getting a desktop, make sure you pay a little extra to keep the capacity for everything as great as possible. I had my last computer for 10 years running fine, then decided it was time for a major upgrade and built a new one with a 32 gig RAM capacity (only running 8 atm though, will upgrade as needed). Now as you can guess, I love my computer, and prefer it for games. That also being said, my best friend loves his console, and isn't much of a computer fan. We both play with each other on consoles and computers, and there is nothing wrong with liking either. We can end all the hate pretty easily by just accepting they're different. My friend said it pretty well I think, involving base controls (as in controller/mouse and keyboard). "Consoles are best for shooters and driving games, and computers are best for...well everything else."

TL;DR There is nothing inherently wrong with either consoles or computers. Both sides quit bitching and being stuck up.

Also, how Xbox gets away with charging for Xbox live while playstation does it free, computers do it free (other than MMOs), and have endless free programs that cover everything Live does. I don't understand it.

 

[Fidelias]

Hmmm... Have you tried calling support before to get them to fix the problem?

I called them up, 3 times now for that Red Ring of Death. Got my Xbox fixed for free each time. Didn't have warranty, didn't even have to argue with them. They even paid for shipping and sent a box to ship it in.

Of course, they DIDN'T offer to pay for the time my dog knocked the Xbox over and trashed the harddrive, but that's understandable.

If that Rottweiler wasn't so cute, I'd have roasted him for dinner...

So yeah, the reason why I'm a fan of Microsoft is because their support treated me extremely well, not sure if that's changed though in two years...

 

[Vigormortis]

big snip

Good points. Your friend seems to grasp the essence of what makes each platform better. However, I'd argue that PCs are still better for FPS games. Simply by way of the speed and accuracy of a mouse. Not that there's anything wrong with an analog stick for a shooter, it's just that it's inherently less responsive, comparatively speaking.

Though, one could argue further that PCs can use both keyboard/mouse and almost any controller they want. But that's not really the point.

Consoles give the player a bit of ease when it comes to gaming. Just pop in the disc (download the updates, derp), and start playing.

However, for anyone that's even mildly tech-savvy, PCs will always be just as easy. And, in many cases, can function with the same ease as a console. Hell, I've got my rig hooked up to my flat-screen TV and a monitor. So I can multi-task with some application(s) on the monitor and a game full-screened on the big TV. So I can just sit back on my couch and game.

 

[CorruptCor3]

I am on my second 360 after punching the first one in frustration and dislodging the disc reader, but i'm still using the original 20GB hard drive and I haven't had any issues with them that i didn't inflict upon it.

 

[renegade7]

Where are you buying these from, and how are you treating them? Mine worked fine for 3 years before I had to make it RROD (Wanted the one year warranty extension at the end of the three years-plus the USB was messed up but that was my fault). Overheating it didn't work. Pouring water on it didn't work. Dropping it onto a concrete floor didn't work. Eventually I had punch a screwdriver through the vent to finally make the damn thing break.

So needless to say I never had a problem with mine.

 

[ResonanceSD]

All that and yet you bought four of the things and continue to pay for their internet services? When you keep throwing money at them like this, you are giving them every reason to think they are doing a fantastic job.

Precisely this. Why on earth do you keep buying the things? Ignore a sunk cost, you won't get the money back that you've spent on games.

 

[Active Schizophrenic]

Oh hey Im going to go onto the escapist today...