Bethesda isn't really run by the brightest heads on the planet. I can see them killing themselves with a few retarded decisions. It wouldn't be the first really bad decision they made.Scars Unseen said:
Hopefully it becomes a big movement but doesn't get a "gate" suffix. The gaming "journalists" will just deflect and derail it into sexism. "Hurr durr, u r sexist pig gate!". Wouldn't be the first time.Pr0 said:
All i've heard about it is the proof when people call gamers entitled little WASPS.MCerberus said:
If you think the weapon mods are worth $5 then you pay $5 if you don't then you don't.. If you want it pay for it, if you don't don't. As for republishing mods. Well Valve is offering fraud and dispute settlement mediation.MCerberus said:
The pay what you want option does still have a mandatory minimum. You can't have a pay what you want game with a minimum of $0, and people are mostly angry that Valve is taking a 75% cut while doing 0% of the work. The workshop is rad, it's a one-click system that auto-updates, but Valve doesn't deserve 75% of all sales income for it. One of the things that makes modding work is that people can download and play, no charge, but the more savvy modders have Patreons and tip jars so people can support them, which is kind of the ideal. That's the free market in action: people supporting exactly who and what they want with whatever funds they feel the creator deserves or that they can personally spare. I want modding to be a job, I want it to be something people can make a living doing, but this is a bad way to go about it.MonsterCrit said:
My mod has to make 5 dollars 80 times for me to make anything from it at all. And of that 5 dollars, I get a $1.25 for each download and the other $300.00 gets paid to Bethesda and Zenimax and Valve even takes a cut.MonsterCrit said:
Except not really.MonsterCrit said:
Exactly... you must "earn" atleast 100 dollars... and since your earnings are 25%... you will have to sell atleast 400 dollars worth if you want to see those 100 dollars.shirkbot said:
Well it makes little sense to charge an amount so small that the cost of processing will cost you more than get. Even Humble Bundle has a $1 Minimum.shirkbot said:
No they're not. That 75% is split between Valve and the publisher that owns the rights to the game and 25% is better than the 0 modders are getting currently. Just to put it in perspective. That is way cheaper than the licensing fee they'd have to pay otherwise to be able to sell the game. and to ad further perspective.
And there you go sounding like an entitled WASP. The reason the community worked is because the producers were legally prevented from charging for their work. Yeah when that's the only way a system works.. that system is broken.
And they can do that now. They are free to do a pay what you want thing, they can charge a fixed price and they can charge nothing. Of course the only difference now is that the decision of this is placed in the hands of the content creators.
And how much have you made from your mods to date? What's your download to dollar ratio? Valve is providing the back end , the delivery, transaction processing and fraud protection/ dispute resolution. Bethesda created the game that you are modding, they created the engibe, code, assets that you're modding. You're using their stove to fry your burgers.Pr0 said:
You had a situation where the people producing the content were not getting paid at all. That's like ye olde serfdom. Modding is broken? How can you tell? All valve has done is given the content creators more power and benefits. They can choose to charge, give it away for free or a tip jar. as they want.WarpedMind said:Except not really.MonsterCrit said:
Valve doesn't give a shit, they're directly telling people that they can take other people's work, modify it and upload it for their own profit.
Valve performs NO curation of the workshop, there will be no standards for what does and doesn't qualify as modifying an existing mod.
Content theft is already rife on the Workshop, especially since it is barely possible for modders to prove their identities. Do we have any reason to believe that will change? Is Valve going to check if someone is selling someone else's work if the creator doesn't notice? If Valve wants a fucking 75% cut then it is not even remotely good enough for them simply to lean back and hope that all legitimate complaints will be brought to their attention by someone else.
Modding has always been, for the most part, Laissez-faire, collaborative and community oriented, and that was fine since all you really needed was provide attribution where applicable.
Valve has officially ended that.
Modding is broken, it can never go back to the way it was.
Unless you dont manage to sell 400 $.... then valve keeps all the money your mod made and you go out empty handed anyways.MonsterCrit said:
There are enough people defending this practice that the companies may very well be right.Czann said:
