Monster Hunter Tri

[Snotnarok]

Seriously too many people care what other people think.

Yahtzee didn't like a game that you do, boo hoo hoo, this is to be expected. Even he said this, if you like it then why do you care what someone else thinks of it? Seriously go get your game put it on and enjoy it! If he doesn't then that's his loss right?

Exactly. I doubt Yahtzee cares about whether or not the viewers buy the game, and he only voices his own opinion. So he detests a game you absolutely love. Big deal. It doesn't stop you from playing your game. Stop being mad at the guy who likes to point all of the faults he finds.

Edit:

You don't need to convince me, you don't need to convince Yahtzee, and at this point it seems you're trying to convince yourself a little too hard.

This needs to be repeated.

I never get why people care what other people think THIS HARD. It's insane, I said I didn't like The new Super Mario Brothers Wii because the motion control is annoying to me, a fanboy went on a rant on why it's great and I should like it. I don't like motion controls, especially in a platformer, had nintendo put the OPTION for what kind of controls you'd like then I'd have liked the game a lot more. But Nintendo is infallible so I'm the one who's wrong apparently.

In short, enjoy YOUR purchase and stop worrying about what people think sheesh. Hasn't anyone here watched his follow up to Smash Brothers Brawl? There's a lot of truth in that that more people need to take to heart. Enjoy your games, stop caring what other people think so much it'd be best for the both of you (you and the person you're nagging to like.

But you get what I mean, it's just strange right? How many people are focused on getting others to like what they like? And if you don't you're a "number of nasty words".

 

[thublihnk]

So I don't understand, what part of its not a rpg do you not get? The game is not a rpg, its an action based game where the only rpg element is the skill system, just because you wear armor and wield swords doesn't mean its a rpg.

Protip: he's yanking your chain, but his chain yankery is based in fact. It is a game where you play the role of a character.

Now, let's CSI that shit. Quick! Play the tape backwards! character a of role the play you where game a is It. Now, isolate the target frequency. Role Play Game. Change the tense modulator and I think we've got it! Role Playing Game.

BY GEORGE THE BODIES ARE IN THE BAY, STEVENS GET TO THE CAR.

Alright, so I think I get what you're saying. I think I'll just quit this game, I've made some valid points(I think I did) and you also made some valid points, and it got to a point where you're just mocking me for playing. So yeah, I quit. I'll still watch Yahtzee's videos(its entertaining as fuck) I'll just think of him as a dude on youtube that makes funny videos.

I'm not mocking you, I'm just making points with jokes. They might kinda be at yoru expense and I'm sorry if it seems I'm insulting you but sarcasm is how I communicate.

You are doing what many people who want to claim a game is an RPG do. They willingly ignore the standards that make the RPG genre unique and claim that Role Playing is what is important. By that logic Halo is an RPG and you know just as well as I do that noone in their right mind would agree with that. The RPG genre is defined by a leveling system with statistics, that's pretty much it. I don't think I've ever "played" a role in a final fantasy, or almost any RPG, anyways. They were always "played" for me.

Food for thought on what makes the RPG genre itself:
http://kotaku.com/5546807/a-visual-guide-to-the-role+playing-game

More food for thought on why we need to change genre names to avoid stupid crap like this:
http://kotaku.com/5548524/video-games-ive-let-you-down

Hey. F*ck you buddy. I know what a goddamn RPG is, I play tabletop RPGs. The average console RPG nerd wouldn't know actual role-playing if it hit them in the face with a 20 sided die. I was MESSING with him. It was a JOKE. Which I thought was made pretty obvious by all the absolute nonsense in the post. Or the fact that I literally said 'that guy's yanking your chain, here's his train of thought'.

 

[AMMO Kid]

"It gets better later" is the thing that made GTA4 suck, and Red Dead Redemption and Saints Row shine(because they were good from the start).

 

[poiuppx]

I have to echo earlier sentiments; more than anything Yahtzee said, the fans are the ones turning me off to this game. Hell, half the time I buy the games he rags on, partly because they drop in price used after he does, and partly because I know his tastes and mine have exactly matched up maybe... twice? Three times if we count how inexorably horrid Haze was, but I have yet to meet a defender of that game.

I like JRPGs, I enjoyed Mercs 2 and Borderlands and even Bioshock 2, though I dug them mostly due to multiplayer. You know, the thing he hates? Ergo, the thing I would NEVER come to him about? Ever? At all? I agree with him that single player should NEVER be a toss away concern- no game I buy should equal a suicide pact for my friends to have to get the same game -so in THAT I pay critical attention.

I hear him say grind and collection and all that, I'm thinking that sounds kinda cool to me. He says exploration, I'm loving that. He says sweeping landscapes, something the Wii isn't well known for, I'm thinking that's pretty nifty. His review well went towards SELLING me on the game.

Then I came to the response thread for that one, and this response thread. Hoo boy.

To sum up what I have learned; there is no story. The game punishes you violently for not figuring out its strategies. The weapons swing very slowly. The game is, at once, very quick to get through in terms of various quests and yet also very long due to being frakking endless. The exploration boils down to just going after more of the same monster, which typically is just the extended family of a boss you killed. And evidently, you see these as positives.

Seriously, I don't get that. You grin and gleefully comment on what naive fools we are, how quickly you can topple various bosses, and I'm left to wonder what you get out of it. It doesn't sound like you're saving the world, or even doing much in favor of the human ecosystem. It sounds like, well, you're playing a deer hunting game where the deer will murder your face off if you don't hit them in the left rear leg first or something.

In spite of all Yahtzee's bluster, the Wii isn't a worthless system. It has good games in a wide variety of forms. It's not like we're dealing with the Virtual Boy and the best you're getting is that one Wario title. Other than because you're long time fans, why pick this game over the others for the console? Or for that matter, why pick this game over the countless other co-op games available in this current generation? Other than 'It's cool to beat up sea monsters with swords and hammers', I haven't heard ANYTHING from this game's myriad defenders to convince me it's worth playing. Hell, some of the things Yahtzee mentioned that intrigued me and made me WANT to buy it, you managed to shoot down while white-knighting this game. It sounds like a step backwards, and a fairly dull samey one at that; that's not exactly worth a 50$ entry fee from where I'm standing.

If you're still curious and have a PSP, try picking up one of the Freedom 2 or Unite games for cheaper, I've been playing for about 4 years, yes there is lack of a story.
Yes the weapon swings are 'slow', at the start, but once you learn the game and how to avoid and counter movements the speed can be faster than it's been let on to me, to be 100% honest, I agree this game isn't for everyone, if you're impatient and don't want to learn the game inside and out and would like some more straight forward action, go for something else, this won't please you.
I more so really liked this game back when I first started because it was a goddamn -hard- game, it was a literal ballbreaker to figure out monster patterns in this game without use of internet for guides etc, i liked the difficultly, it made the game much more enjoyable compared to most modern games were they spoonfeed and handhold you through most of the thing and gave the game some depth to make you slow down a minute and think what to do.

Just my point of view though, I used to do armorless runs against endgame monsters for fun to see if I could.

See, that actually sounds fun to me. Back in the day, I'd do challenge runs of Final Fantasy Tactics all the time, seeing how I'd do if I never used a canon character aside from Ramza, or got every tavern job treasure, or completed the Deep Dungeon without spell usage... I can dig a game with good challenge that I can make, well, more challenging without making it impossible. The lack of story is a big mark against in my book, but I'm a lot more forgiving for portables in that regard. I may well take you up on that suggestion and try out one of the PSP versions.

See, MH fans? We Yahtzee sheeple can listen and take suggestions. ^_~

In all seriousness, THIS is what this thread lacks for the most part... the MH fans denounce Yahztee and all those who like him, the Yahtzee fans defend him for... reasons that escape me, since much like he said about certain large game companies, he is quite capable of defending himself and/or ignoring the haters and continuing to be gainfully employed. Both sides yell at each other for being ignorant fanboys, and the only winners are Yahtzee, The Escapist, and their advertisers. Which is no big deal for me; anything that keeps his view count high and this site rolling in advertising dollars means I keep getting free entertainment out of it. So bully for you, MH fans! Keep stirring the pot. Yahtzee no doubt thanks you for it.

Will do this helps get alot of angst out.

So, you're grinding these threads for fun and profit? Do the people in here drop any good gear? ^_~

 

[troqu]

thublihnk: No need for swearing dude. I've also played Tabletop RPGs, before I even played a video game RPG, but they're not the same. Video game RPGs took one aspect, the leveling and by extension, the statistics system, from one game Dungeons and Dragons, and attempted to use it to convey a story. Tabletop role playing is about actually deciding what happens between your character and the characters of the other players, whether you are the Game master or if there even is one, and doesn't even need a rule system and often my group has randomly just decided to make a game that doesn't fit very well with the rule sets we have and just wing it.


GrimHeaper: You obviously disagree with the standards that are used to define the RPG genre. Please tell me what you think an RPG is so I can understand what you think one is.

 

[joshuaayt]

Well, at least this'll be the end of it- Tomorrow he'll have a new video, and it will be excellent and everyone will remember how damn awesome Yahtzee videos are.
Else they'll join the hate groups over on tvtropes. I've never seen that many feminists in one thread before...
And yes, I AM amused at the fact that there exists hate groups.

 

[thublihnk]

thublihnk: No need for swearing dude. I've also played Tabletop RPGs, before I even played a video game RPG, but they're not the same. Video game RPGs took one aspect, the leveling and by extension, the statistics system, from one game Dungeons and Dragons, and attempted to use it to convey a story. Tabletop role playing is about actually deciding what happens between your character and the characters of the other players, whether you are the Game master or if there even is one, and doesn't even need a rule system and often my group has randomly just decided to make a game that doesn't fit very well with the rule sets we have and just wing it.


GrimHeaper: You obviously disagree with the standards that are used to define the RPG genre. Please tell me what you think an RPG is so I can understand what you think one is.

Yeah, there was also no need to be a condescending douche about what an RPG is. Looks like we both screwed the pooch.

 

[GrimHeaper]

I have to echo earlier sentiments; more than anything Yahtzee said, the fans are the ones turning me off to this game. Hell, half the time I buy the games he rags on, partly because they drop in price used after he does, and partly because I know his tastes and mine have exactly matched up maybe... twice? Three times if we count how inexorably horrid Haze was, but I have yet to meet a defender of that game.

I like JRPGs, I enjoyed Mercs 2 and Borderlands and even Bioshock 2, though I dug them mostly due to multiplayer. You know, the thing he hates? Ergo, the thing I would NEVER come to him about? Ever? At all? I agree with him that single player should NEVER be a toss away concern- no game I buy should equal a suicide pact for my friends to have to get the same game -so in THAT I pay critical attention.

I hear him say grind and collection and all that, I'm thinking that sounds kinda cool to me. He says exploration, I'm loving that. He says sweeping landscapes, something the Wii isn't well known for, I'm thinking that's pretty nifty. His review well went towards SELLING me on the game.

Then I came to the response thread for that one, and this response thread. Hoo boy.

To sum up what I have learned; there is no story. The game punishes you violently for not figuring out its strategies. The weapons swing very slowly. The game is, at once, very quick to get through in terms of various quests and yet also very long due to being frakking endless. The exploration boils down to just going after more of the same monster, which typically is just the extended family of a boss you killed. And evidently, you see these as positives.

Seriously, I don't get that. You grin and gleefully comment on what naive fools we are, how quickly you can topple various bosses, and I'm left to wonder what you get out of it. It doesn't sound like you're saving the world, or even doing much in favor of the human ecosystem. It sounds like, well, you're playing a deer hunting game where the deer will murder your face off if you don't hit them in the left rear leg first or something.

In spite of all Yahtzee's bluster, the Wii isn't a worthless system. It has good games in a wide variety of forms. It's not like we're dealing with the Virtual Boy and the best you're getting is that one Wario title. Other than because you're long time fans, why pick this game over the others for the console? Or for that matter, why pick this game over the countless other co-op games available in this current generation? Other than 'It's cool to beat up sea monsters with swords and hammers', I haven't heard ANYTHING from this game's myriad defenders to convince me it's worth playing. Hell, some of the things Yahtzee mentioned that intrigued me and made me WANT to buy it, you managed to shoot down while white-knighting this game. It sounds like a step backwards, and a fairly dull samey one at that; that's not exactly worth a 50$ entry fee from where I'm standing.

If you're still curious and have a PSP, try picking up one of the Freedom 2 or Unite games for cheaper, I've been playing for about 4 years, yes there is lack of a story.
Yes the weapon swings are 'slow', at the start, but once you learn the game and how to avoid and counter movements the speed can be faster than it's been let on to me, to be 100% honest, I agree this game isn't for everyone, if you're impatient and don't want to learn the game inside and out and would like some more straight forward action, go for something else, this won't please you.
I more so really liked this game back when I first started because it was a goddamn -hard- game, it was a literal ballbreaker to figure out monster patterns in this game without use of internet for guides etc, i liked the difficultly, it made the game much more enjoyable compared to most modern games were they spoonfeed and handhold you through most of the thing and gave the game some depth to make you slow down a minute and think what to do.

Just my point of view though, I used to do armorless runs against endgame monsters for fun to see if I could.

See, that actually sounds fun to me. Back in the day, I'd do challenge runs of Final Fantasy Tactics all the time, seeing how I'd do if I never used a canon character aside from Ramza, or got every tavern job treasure, or completed the Deep Dungeon without spell usage... I can dig a game with good challenge that I can make, well, more challenging without making it impossible. The lack of story is a big mark against in my book, but I'm a lot more forgiving for portables in that regard. I may well take you up on that suggestion and try out one of the PSP versions.

See, MH fans? We Yahtzee sheeple can listen and take suggestions. ^_~

In all seriousness, THIS is what this thread lacks for the most part... the MH fans denounce Yahztee and all those who like him, the Yahtzee fans defend him for... reasons that escape me, since much like he said about certain large game companies, he is quite capable of defending himself and/or ignoring the haters and continuing to be gainfully employed. Both sides yell at each other for being ignorant fanboys, and the only winners are Yahtzee, The Escapist, and their advertisers. Which is no big deal for me; anything that keeps his view count high and this site rolling in advertising dollars means I keep getting free entertainment out of it. So bully for you, MH fans! Keep stirring the pot. Yahtzee no doubt thanks you for it.

Will do this helps get alot of angst out.

So, you're grinding these threads for fun and profit? Do the people in here drop any good gear? ^_~

yep,

 

[milskidasith]

My belief is this: anyone who buys a game is entitled to an opinion of it whether they finished the game or not.

And this has what relevance to the comments people have been making about Yahtzee? People are complaining that Yahtzee A: Spent half the review talking about things that weren't the game and B: until the Extra Punctuation, was completely disingenuous about the fact that he didn't actually play the game, making it sound like the entire game is the (admittedly boring) tutorial misions.

His Extra Punctuation is also guilty of being misleading; yes, 10 hour tutorial is an exaggeration, but to anybody who didn't play the game, they wouldn't know that, and his other comments are either optional (you never *have* to fight monsters in free roam... he's basically complaining about the fact you *can* go fight the monster again, which seems rather stupid), or just skill related (if it takes a half hour to kill the first boss, you're doing it wrong... I could beat it in a half hour by kicking it to death).

Real quick: Don't treat us MH detractors like we're idiots, I pretty well figured out 10 hours was an exaggeration without your help, bud. EDIT: I guess we can consider that myth BUSTED.
*caterpillar crawls on my face*
Adam, I think you're being obtuse.

KABLAMO!

I'm not treating anybody in particular as idiots. I'm just pointing out there are posters that are, in fact, saying "A ten hour tutorial? That sucks" which kind of proves that some people are being mislead.

See: The very first post in the thread.

Even if you know it's an exaggeration, it's still a pointless one; the actual tutorial is barely enough time it's annoying, and most of it is fighting little minions, not doing boring shit, so claiming it is ten hours is making a problem where there is none, much like, to give a completely stupid example, if you said somebody looked like they lost a knife fight because they had a single shaving cut.

Well it still does sound pretty long, and the action is a little slow to start. And both of those have been admitted by everyone in the thread. So it's not an exaggeration without reason.

It kind of is... exaggerating 15 minutes of gathering/learning the controls and 30~45 minutes of fighting little minions to be ten hours is bringing it from what some people would consider too long to what nobody would consider worth playing.

Okay, that's fine, but it's still SLOW after that. There's plenty of gripes after that. Yeah, we get it. 10 hours=bad. Move on.

The game isn't slow after the first hour. After that it's 90% boss battles, 10% optional missions.

Okay, I'll confess I havn't played it. I don't KNOW that it's slow, that is what I've heard though (Both from people who liked it and didn't) but whatever.

Here's my basic point here. It IS a series of boss battles with little to no story. I realize there is a large group of people who that REALLY appeals to, and more power to you. I, however, really don't understand having to jam that down everyone's throats. The game that's been described to me in this and the other thread does not appeal to me in the slightest. It CLEARLY didn't appeal to Yahtzee in the slightest, and I think he got a tad further in than anyone here is giving him credit for. Why do you CARE? You have your niche! Be happy in it. That is what nerd-dom is all about. I think that Jak 2, while it had its flaws, was an unpolished version of the pinnacle of what gaming could be if grown to its true potential. It is a /VERY/ lonely camp, my friend, and I am HAPPY that it is that way. I also happily discuss my love for Jak 2 to anyone who will care to listen. I do not, however, track down folks on the internet who played a couple minutes of Jak 2 and decided it wasn't their thing. Usually these folks don't like platformers, think the art style is a little too cartoony, or think that the game's dark tones don't really fit with the ridiculous nature of the original game, nor the wacky and hilarious characters. These are all very valid criticisms. However, I love my game. And I don't feel the need to defend it to people who just WON'T like it. And nor should you. So go on! Keep loving your game. I won't.

Who the hell is jamming it down your throat? Seriously, you've got an absurdly skewed view if you think my posts have been jamming the game down people's throats. I recognize it has flaws. I'm just pointing out that the ones Yahtzee are pointing out just aren't true. I don't give a shit if you like Jak 2, and I don't give a shit if you like Monster Hunter, I just don't like it when people are reading Yahtzee's review and getting the facts wrong, especially when they start claiming things like "the game is slow" without playing it.

 

[Eventidal]

*sigh*
I wasn't too happy with the review (except for the funny thing; that part's always good) and I'm no more happy after this. I wasn't expecting Yahtzee to like this game, and even after getting to take on the truly fearsome foes and triumphing, I'm sure he'd still hate it. Why?

Yahtzee hates RPGs. Yahtzee no likey grind. Yahtzee should never have taken on this beast of a game, and he is and never would be a better person for it.

There are certain people who play certain games. It's obvious to me that I'd hate most sports or fighting games. They bore me and/or piss me off, and I'm not the kind of guy to listen to when it comes to what is good and bad about them. Yahtzee is the same with grind-heavy games. And Monster Hunter, while nowhere near as bad as most MMORPGs, IS worse than a lot of RPGs out there. You don't NEED to grind at all, if you get good enough or are patient enough. Smarts beat brawn in MH any day. Of course, to know what I'm talking about you'd need to be a good 30 hours into the game. Smart hunters can take down a monster three times as fast as the guy who makes the best sword in the game and just goes crazy. Learn the weaknesses, use lots of items, understand attack patterns and openings, and you can take the same monster down in no time flat.

Of course, getting there takes patience and... a great deal more patience. I've really enjoyed all my 120 hours playing MH Tri, and I'll continue to enjoy it. But impatient people really don't get this game, and it doesn't get them. Simply put, a lot of people will try this game and not like it. But to just trust Yahtzee's review and never play it because it obviously sucks and doesn't have any monsters in it.. is just bologna.



Really, the only thing I didn't like in the review was that there was pretty much no mention of the big monster fights in the game. But honestly, I can overlook that. (saving my actual opinion until way too late! ) EVERYONE knows what MH is all about; even Yahtzee's not that blind. If you care at all enough about the game to consider buying it, you know why it is and isn't good and you've listened/seen the real reviews. You know the ups and downs, and you realize Yahtzee's giving his opinion of the game as an ADHD gamer who can't get past the 2-3-hour (10 hours= you're either doing it wrong or you've fought Royal Ludroth and Qurupeco already) tutorial because it's too boring. We expect this from him by now.

Honestly, at first, I was mad. But I cooled down and thought about it and the above is what I came up with.

it's ok, Yahtzee. We all still love you. Even the MH fans.

 

[GrimHeaper]

thublihnk: No need for swearing dude. I've also played Tabletop RPGs, before I even played a video game RPG, but they're not the same. Video game RPGs took one aspect, the leveling and by extension, the statistics system, from one game Dungeons and Dragons, and attempted to use it to convey a story. Tabletop role playing is about actually deciding what happens between your character and the characters of the other players, whether you are the Game master or if there even is one, and doesn't even need a rule system and often my group has randomly just decided to make a game that doesn't fit very well with the rule sets we have and just wing it.


GrimHeaper: You obviously disagree with the standards that are used to define the RPG genre. Please tell me what you think an RPG is so I can understand what you think one is.

An RPG is typically how you define that character in given situations.
Usually the person has to kill many monsters and go through trails on the way with a story.
It is an rpg in the sense that you kill monsters and go through trials, but no story at all.
I would prefer a reason for going through that stuff and online offers that, but not everyone has internet.
My view of an rpg is yanking your chains on a forum playing the role of a douche.

 

[Twinmill5000]

Well, at least this'll be the end of it- Tomorrow he'll have a new video, and it will be excellent and everyone will remember how damn awesome Yahtzee videos are.
Else they'll join the hate groups over on tvtropes. I've never seen that many feminists in one thread before...
And yes, I AM amused at the fact that there exists hate groups.

Link pls. I gotta see this lol.

 

[theophanis]

What this game is:
A pseudo-realistic fantasy based action rpg.
A game that rewards planning, preparation, and knowledge of both weapons and monsters.
A monster killing, item creating grind-fest.

What this game isn't:
A story-based epic rpg.
A "leveling" grind-fest.
A "run up and hit the button 'til it dies" kinda deal.

On combat:
This game has a skill/timing based combat system where everything you do has an animation that can result in you getting smacked if you tried to do it right next to the monster. You can move to a different area, chug a potion, eat a ration, sharpen your weapon, then run right back in there and attack. The monsters "have" tells that they do before they do a specific attack. You can learn when and where to dodge, or block if you have a shield.

On controls and weapons:
I've played with both the Wiimote/Nunchuk and the Classic Controller Pro. Yeah, the CCP is better, but the Wiimote isn't horrible. It just takes a little getting used to. If you look at the weapons, most of them are huge. A normal person couldn't swing one, much less carry 8 of them on their person. Part of the game is finding a weapon style you like, and learning it. Each weapon has different functions too, like hammers can knock out monsters well, while lances can tip them over.

On "leveling":
Your character doesn't gain levels. You can create better weapons and armor. You can learn the monsters' moves. You can get temporarily better stats by chugging specific potions and eating tasty meat that you've cooked.

On weapon sharpening:
If you swing your sword at the "armored" back of the monster, it's going to dull faster than if you swing at its soft underbelly. The less sharp your weapon is, the less damage it does, and if it gets really dull, it starts bouncing back. Keep it sharp and it stays effective.

I'm new to the Monster Hunter series, and have gotten through about 60% of the offline game. It's not for everyone. But it's sad to see a good game not get a fun and poignant review because the reviewer didn't know what he was getting into.

tl;dr Love the game, wished there were a funnier review from Yahtzee.

QFT. I think this is the most accurate description of the game on this thread. People (even MH3 players, somehow) need to realise this isn't a pure RPG so much as an action game with RPG elements. 7 combat systems thanks to 7 weapon types. No leveling, just a deep equipment customisation system. Requires skill in tactics and timing to play. Fun, thrilling and long-lasting collaborative online play with an actually good community. These are how I would define this game.

There are still many misconceptions in Yahtzee's article but it's pointless and petty to argue them, so I'll just say if the points above interest you, try renting the game and form your own opinion. If the points don't interest you, then it's not the game for you. This is a niche title and it doesn't try to satisfy everyone's preferences.

Also, people have asked why there should even be an offline mode if it's all about multiplayer. The answer is that, rather uniquely, offline is played in tandem with the online mode. You can get items faster (through the farms, ships and offline quests) and with less risk in offline mode. The high rank materials and equipment are only available online (and you'll definitely need to play with others to get them), but often you need low rank items to forge or upgrade them. I find it's a smart way for them to switch up the gameplay, and add further value to what I find is already a great experience.

 

[thublihnk]

My belief is this: anyone who buys a game is entitled to an opinion of it whether they finished the game or not.

And this has what relevance to the comments people have been making about Yahtzee? People are complaining that Yahtzee A: Spent half the review talking about things that weren't the game and B: until the Extra Punctuation, was completely disingenuous about the fact that he didn't actually play the game, making it sound like the entire game is the (admittedly boring) tutorial misions.

His Extra Punctuation is also guilty of being misleading; yes, 10 hour tutorial is an exaggeration, but to anybody who didn't play the game, they wouldn't know that, and his other comments are either optional (you never *have* to fight monsters in free roam... he's basically complaining about the fact you *can* go fight the monster again, which seems rather stupid), or just skill related (if it takes a half hour to kill the first boss, you're doing it wrong... I could beat it in a half hour by kicking it to death).

Real quick: Don't treat us MH detractors like we're idiots, I pretty well figured out 10 hours was an exaggeration without your help, bud. EDIT: I guess we can consider that myth BUSTED.
*caterpillar crawls on my face*
Adam, I think you're being obtuse.

KABLAMO!

I'm not treating anybody in particular as idiots. I'm just pointing out there are posters that are, in fact, saying "A ten hour tutorial? That sucks" which kind of proves that some people are being mislead.

See: The very first post in the thread.

Even if you know it's an exaggeration, it's still a pointless one; the actual tutorial is barely enough time it's annoying, and most of it is fighting little minions, not doing boring shit, so claiming it is ten hours is making a problem where there is none, much like, to give a completely stupid example, if you said somebody looked like they lost a knife fight because they had a single shaving cut.

Well it still does sound pretty long, and the action is a little slow to start. And both of those have been admitted by everyone in the thread. So it's not an exaggeration without reason.

It kind of is... exaggerating 15 minutes of gathering/learning the controls and 30~45 minutes of fighting little minions to be ten hours is bringing it from what some people would consider too long to what nobody would consider worth playing.

Okay, that's fine, but it's still SLOW after that. There's plenty of gripes after that. Yeah, we get it. 10 hours=bad. Move on.

The game isn't slow after the first hour. After that it's 90% boss battles, 10% optional missions.

Okay, I'll confess I havn't played it. I don't KNOW that it's slow, that is what I've heard though (Both from people who liked it and didn't) but whatever.

Here's my basic point here. It IS a series of boss battles with little to no story. I realize there is a large group of people who that REALLY appeals to, and more power to you. I, however, really don't understand having to jam that down everyone's throats. The game that's been described to me in this and the other thread does not appeal to me in the slightest. It CLEARLY didn't appeal to Yahtzee in the slightest, and I think he got a tad further in than anyone here is giving him credit for. Why do you CARE? You have your niche! Be happy in it. That is what nerd-dom is all about. I think that Jak 2, while it had its flaws, was an unpolished version of the pinnacle of what gaming could be if grown to its true potential. It is a /VERY/ lonely camp, my friend, and I am HAPPY that it is that way. I also happily discuss my love for Jak 2 to anyone who will care to listen. I do not, however, track down folks on the internet who played a couple minutes of Jak 2 and decided it wasn't their thing. Usually these folks don't like platformers, think the art style is a little too cartoony, or think that the game's dark tones don't really fit with the ridiculous nature of the original game, nor the wacky and hilarious characters. These are all very valid criticisms. However, I love my game. And I don't feel the need to defend it to people who just WON'T like it. And nor should you. So go on! Keep loving your game. I won't.

Who the hell is jamming it down your throat? Seriously, you've got an absurdly skewed view if you think my posts have been jamming the game down people's throats. I recognize it has flaws. I'm just pointing out that the ones Yahtzee are pointing out just aren't true. I don't give a shit if you like Jak 2, and I don't give a shit if you like Monster Hunter, I just don't like it when people are reading Yahtzee's review and getting the facts wrong, especially when they start claiming things like "the game is slow" without playing it.

Here's my problem: You're talking down to anyone who thinks Yahtzee might have some valid points as if they're a naiive little kindergardener who needs to be lead around on a leash to find good games. Nay, sir, nay. While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

So, he shits all over the game, we say 'yay' you say 'nay'. Here comes the problem. You turn to those who say 'yay' and state that their 'yay' is wrong because Yahtzee is wrong because X, Y, Z. I don't get it. Why. It doesn't effect your enjoyment of the game. At worse, a zero punctuation fan is treated to a stinker of a review. I didn't throw a shitfit when the Wolfenstein review came out, and believe me I wanted to. So again I ask. WHY?

 

[milskidasith]

Well, at least this'll be the end of it- Tomorrow he'll have a new video, and it will be excellent and everyone will remember how damn awesome Yahtzee videos are.
Else they'll join the hate groups over on tvtropes. I've never seen that many feminists in one thread before...
And yes, I AM amused at the fact that there exists hate groups.

I don't think you understand what the word feminist means.

I'm also annoyed people would bash on hate groups just because they don't share the same opinion, while the common argument people use for Yahtzee is that it's just his opinion, it doesn't matter. Does nobody else see the hypocrisy of mocking people for their opinion on a video while claiming they can't dislike the videos because it is the guys opinion?

My belief is this: anyone who buys a game is entitled to an opinion of it whether they finished the game or not.

And this has what relevance to the comments people have been making about Yahtzee? People are complaining that Yahtzee A: Spent half the review talking about things that weren't the game and B: until the Extra Punctuation, was completely disingenuous about the fact that he didn't actually play the game, making it sound like the entire game is the (admittedly boring) tutorial misions.

His Extra Punctuation is also guilty of being misleading; yes, 10 hour tutorial is an exaggeration, but to anybody who didn't play the game, they wouldn't know that, and his other comments are either optional (you never *have* to fight monsters in free roam... he's basically complaining about the fact you *can* go fight the monster again, which seems rather stupid), or just skill related (if it takes a half hour to kill the first boss, you're doing it wrong... I could beat it in a half hour by kicking it to death).

Real quick: Don't treat us MH detractors like we're idiots, I pretty well figured out 10 hours was an exaggeration without your help, bud. EDIT: I guess we can consider that myth BUSTED.
*caterpillar crawls on my face*
Adam, I think you're being obtuse.

KABLAMO!

I'm not treating anybody in particular as idiots. I'm just pointing out there are posters that are, in fact, saying "A ten hour tutorial? That sucks" which kind of proves that some people are being mislead.

See: The very first post in the thread.

Even if you know it's an exaggeration, it's still a pointless one; the actual tutorial is barely enough time it's annoying, and most of it is fighting little minions, not doing boring shit, so claiming it is ten hours is making a problem where there is none, much like, to give a completely stupid example, if you said somebody looked like they lost a knife fight because they had a single shaving cut.

Well it still does sound pretty long, and the action is a little slow to start. And both of those have been admitted by everyone in the thread. So it's not an exaggeration without reason.

It kind of is... exaggerating 15 minutes of gathering/learning the controls and 30~45 minutes of fighting little minions to be ten hours is bringing it from what some people would consider too long to what nobody would consider worth playing.

Okay, that's fine, but it's still SLOW after that. There's plenty of gripes after that. Yeah, we get it. 10 hours=bad. Move on.

The game isn't slow after the first hour. After that it's 90% boss battles, 10% optional missions.

Okay, I'll confess I havn't played it. I don't KNOW that it's slow, that is what I've heard though (Both from people who liked it and didn't) but whatever.

Here's my basic point here. It IS a series of boss battles with little to no story. I realize there is a large group of people who that REALLY appeals to, and more power to you. I, however, really don't understand having to jam that down everyone's throats. The game that's been described to me in this and the other thread does not appeal to me in the slightest. It CLEARLY didn't appeal to Yahtzee in the slightest, and I think he got a tad further in than anyone here is giving him credit for. Why do you CARE? You have your niche! Be happy in it. That is what nerd-dom is all about. I think that Jak 2, while it had its flaws, was an unpolished version of the pinnacle of what gaming could be if grown to its true potential. It is a /VERY/ lonely camp, my friend, and I am HAPPY that it is that way. I also happily discuss my love for Jak 2 to anyone who will care to listen. I do not, however, track down folks on the internet who played a couple minutes of Jak 2 and decided it wasn't their thing. Usually these folks don't like platformers, think the art style is a little too cartoony, or think that the game's dark tones don't really fit with the ridiculous nature of the original game, nor the wacky and hilarious characters. These are all very valid criticisms. However, I love my game. And I don't feel the need to defend it to people who just WON'T like it. And nor should you. So go on! Keep loving your game. I won't.

Who the hell is jamming it down your throat? Seriously, you've got an absurdly skewed view if you think my posts have been jamming the game down people's throats. I recognize it has flaws. I'm just pointing out that the ones Yahtzee are pointing out just aren't true. I don't give a shit if you like Jak 2, and I don't give a shit if you like Monster Hunter, I just don't like it when people are reading Yahtzee's review and getting the facts wrong, especially when they start claiming things like "the game is slow" without playing it.

Here's my problem: You're talking down to anyone who thinks Yahtzee might have some valid points as if they're a naiive little kindergardener who needs to be lead around on a leash to find good games. Nay, sir, nay. While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

So, he shits all over the game, we say 'yay' you say 'nay'. Here comes the problem. You turn to those who say 'yay' and state that their 'yay' is wrong because Yahtzee is wrong because X, Y, Z. I don't get it. Why. It doesn't effect your enjoyment of the game. At worse, a zero punctuation fan is treated to a stinker of a review. I didn't throw a shitfit when the Wolfenstein review came out, and believe me I wanted to. So again I ask. WHY?

Yeah, first paragraph, you're wrong. There are far too many people who are taking his opinion as fact, yourself included (claiming the game is "slow" and that it has a ten hour tutorial), to say that nobody uses his opinion in regards to their purchases.

Second paragraph: Why? Because he's wrong. Yeah, it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game. The fact he's wrong *does* affect my enjoyment of his videos, though, and it does present misconceptions to other people that I want to clear up. Is that so wrong?

Again, I don't care what games you liked. This has never been about the fact that he doesn't like the game. This is about the fact that he's giving his fans misconceptions about the game, and I felt like clearing them up.

Before you say "Nobody trusts what he says" read the first post of the thread again.

 

[LeonLethality]

To shine a little bit of light that I think is missing on Monster Hunter fandom for people not playing the game:

MH3 is a test bench to see if there's enough of a market for the actual Monster Hunter MMO to be released in North America.

You seem sadly misinformed. Frontier has been out for years in Japan it is likely too late to bring it out here. Monster Hunter Tri was an attempt to appeal to western audiences, not to see if they should bring Frontier here.

They currently have no plans to and likely never will.

 

[thublihnk]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

 

[milskidasith]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

 

[thublihnk]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

First of all, MH3 is a niche market game for reasons I've already discussed. Second of all, I'm talking about thicks. Fucking MORONS. IDIOTS. Again, do you REALLy want them playing your multiplayer game?

Thirdly, and most importantly, Tri's been selling like hot cakes and neither I nor Yahtzee can do a damn thing to stop it, so your argument is moot.

 

[LeonLethality]

To shine a little bit of light that I think is missing on Monster Hunter fandom for people not playing the game:

MH3 is a test bench to see if there's enough of a market for the actual Monster Hunter MMO to be released in North America.

You seem sadly misinformed. Frontier has been out for years in Japan it is likely too late to bring it out here. Monster Hunter Tri was an attempt to appeal to western audiences, not to see if they should bring Frontier here.

They currently have no plans to and likely never will.

Uhm, no, you are misinformed. If they brought Frontier to North America, it would be with its own servers. The reason they haven't done it yet is because Monster Hunter sales were never really strong enough compared to Japan's to justify the expense of hosting an MMO here.

They are heavily promoting MH3 here because they want to see if they can find a big enough market to bring the MMO to. It being out in Japan for a while already has no bearing on this.

This was in an actual press release about MH3. I'll even try to find it for you.

I have yet to see anything about releasing it in the west. I do know that Tri is an attempt to make it more popular in the west but certainly not as an experiment to release Frontier. Likely just future MH games.

The only news of a western release of Frontier I have heard is wishful thinking from fans that if Tri sells well it will be brought over here.

And from what I heard CAPCOM doesn't even have the money to support the bandwidth over here.