Monster Hunter Tri

[Eventidal]

*sigh*
I wasn't too happy with the review (except for the funny thing; that part's always good) and I'm no more happy after this. I wasn't expecting Yahtzee to like this game, and even after getting to take on the truly fearsome foes and triumphing, I'm sure he'd still hate it. Why?

Yahtzee hates RPGs. Yahtzee no likey grind. Yahtzee should never have taken on this beast of a game, and he is and never would be a better person for it.

There are certain people who play certain games. It's obvious to me that I'd hate most sports or fighting games. They bore me and/or piss me off, and I'm not the kind of guy to listen to when it comes to what is good and bad about them. Yahtzee is the same with grind-heavy games. And Monster Hunter, while nowhere near as bad as most MMORPGs, IS worse than a lot of RPGs out there. You don't NEED to grind at all, if you get good enough or are patient enough. Smarts beat brawn in MH any day. Of course, to know what I'm talking about you'd need to be a good 30 hours into the game. Smart hunters can take down a monster three times as fast as the guy who makes the best sword in the game and just goes crazy. Learn the weaknesses, use lots of items, understand attack patterns and openings, and you can take the same monster down in no time flat.

Of course, getting there takes patience and... a great deal more patience. I've really enjoyed all my 120 hours playing MH Tri, and I'll continue to enjoy it. But impatient people really don't get this game, and it doesn't get them. Simply put, a lot of people will try this game and not like it. But to just trust Yahtzee's review and never play it because it obviously sucks and doesn't have any monsters in it.. is just bologna.



Really, the only thing I didn't like in the review was that there was pretty much no mention of the big monster fights in the game. But honestly, I can overlook that. (saving my actual opinion until way too late! ) EVERYONE knows what MH is all about; even Yahtzee's not that blind. If you care at all enough about the game to consider buying it, you know why it is and isn't good and you've listened/seen the real reviews. You know the ups and downs, and you realize Yahtzee's giving his opinion of the game as an ADHD gamer who can't get past the 2-3-hour (10 hours= you're either doing it wrong or you've fought Royal Ludroth and Qurupeco already) tutorial because it's too boring. We expect this from him by now.

Honestly, at first, I was mad. But I cooled down and thought about it and the above is what I came up with.

it's ok, Yahtzee. We all still love you. Even the MH fans.

 

[GrimHeaper]

thublihnk: No need for swearing dude. I've also played Tabletop RPGs, before I even played a video game RPG, but they're not the same. Video game RPGs took one aspect, the leveling and by extension, the statistics system, from one game Dungeons and Dragons, and attempted to use it to convey a story. Tabletop role playing is about actually deciding what happens between your character and the characters of the other players, whether you are the Game master or if there even is one, and doesn't even need a rule system and often my group has randomly just decided to make a game that doesn't fit very well with the rule sets we have and just wing it.


GrimHeaper: You obviously disagree with the standards that are used to define the RPG genre. Please tell me what you think an RPG is so I can understand what you think one is.

An RPG is typically how you define that character in given situations.
Usually the person has to kill many monsters and go through trails on the way with a story.
It is an rpg in the sense that you kill monsters and go through trials, but no story at all.
I would prefer a reason for going through that stuff and online offers that, but not everyone has internet.
My view of an rpg is yanking your chains on a forum playing the role of a douche.

 

[Twinmill5000]

Well, at least this'll be the end of it- Tomorrow he'll have a new video, and it will be excellent and everyone will remember how damn awesome Yahtzee videos are.
Else they'll join the hate groups over on tvtropes. I've never seen that many feminists in one thread before...
And yes, I AM amused at the fact that there exists hate groups.

Link pls. I gotta see this lol.

 

[theophanis]

What this game is:
A pseudo-realistic fantasy based action rpg.
A game that rewards planning, preparation, and knowledge of both weapons and monsters.
A monster killing, item creating grind-fest.

What this game isn't:
A story-based epic rpg.
A "leveling" grind-fest.
A "run up and hit the button 'til it dies" kinda deal.

On combat:
This game has a skill/timing based combat system where everything you do has an animation that can result in you getting smacked if you tried to do it right next to the monster. You can move to a different area, chug a potion, eat a ration, sharpen your weapon, then run right back in there and attack. The monsters "have" tells that they do before they do a specific attack. You can learn when and where to dodge, or block if you have a shield.

On controls and weapons:
I've played with both the Wiimote/Nunchuk and the Classic Controller Pro. Yeah, the CCP is better, but the Wiimote isn't horrible. It just takes a little getting used to. If you look at the weapons, most of them are huge. A normal person couldn't swing one, much less carry 8 of them on their person. Part of the game is finding a weapon style you like, and learning it. Each weapon has different functions too, like hammers can knock out monsters well, while lances can tip them over.

On "leveling":
Your character doesn't gain levels. You can create better weapons and armor. You can learn the monsters' moves. You can get temporarily better stats by chugging specific potions and eating tasty meat that you've cooked.

On weapon sharpening:
If you swing your sword at the "armored" back of the monster, it's going to dull faster than if you swing at its soft underbelly. The less sharp your weapon is, the less damage it does, and if it gets really dull, it starts bouncing back. Keep it sharp and it stays effective.

I'm new to the Monster Hunter series, and have gotten through about 60% of the offline game. It's not for everyone. But it's sad to see a good game not get a fun and poignant review because the reviewer didn't know what he was getting into.

tl;dr Love the game, wished there were a funnier review from Yahtzee.

QFT. I think this is the most accurate description of the game on this thread. People (even MH3 players, somehow) need to realise this isn't a pure RPG so much as an action game with RPG elements. 7 combat systems thanks to 7 weapon types. No leveling, just a deep equipment customisation system. Requires skill in tactics and timing to play. Fun, thrilling and long-lasting collaborative online play with an actually good community. These are how I would define this game.

There are still many misconceptions in Yahtzee's article but it's pointless and petty to argue them, so I'll just say if the points above interest you, try renting the game and form your own opinion. If the points don't interest you, then it's not the game for you. This is a niche title and it doesn't try to satisfy everyone's preferences.

Also, people have asked why there should even be an offline mode if it's all about multiplayer. The answer is that, rather uniquely, offline is played in tandem with the online mode. You can get items faster (through the farms, ships and offline quests) and with less risk in offline mode. The high rank materials and equipment are only available online (and you'll definitely need to play with others to get them), but often you need low rank items to forge or upgrade them. I find it's a smart way for them to switch up the gameplay, and add further value to what I find is already a great experience.

 

[thublihnk]

My belief is this: anyone who buys a game is entitled to an opinion of it whether they finished the game or not.

And this has what relevance to the comments people have been making about Yahtzee? People are complaining that Yahtzee A: Spent half the review talking about things that weren't the game and B: until the Extra Punctuation, was completely disingenuous about the fact that he didn't actually play the game, making it sound like the entire game is the (admittedly boring) tutorial misions.

His Extra Punctuation is also guilty of being misleading; yes, 10 hour tutorial is an exaggeration, but to anybody who didn't play the game, they wouldn't know that, and his other comments are either optional (you never *have* to fight monsters in free roam... he's basically complaining about the fact you *can* go fight the monster again, which seems rather stupid), or just skill related (if it takes a half hour to kill the first boss, you're doing it wrong... I could beat it in a half hour by kicking it to death).

Real quick: Don't treat us MH detractors like we're idiots, I pretty well figured out 10 hours was an exaggeration without your help, bud. EDIT: I guess we can consider that myth BUSTED.
*caterpillar crawls on my face*
Adam, I think you're being obtuse.

KABLAMO!

I'm not treating anybody in particular as idiots. I'm just pointing out there are posters that are, in fact, saying "A ten hour tutorial? That sucks" which kind of proves that some people are being mislead.

See: The very first post in the thread.

Even if you know it's an exaggeration, it's still a pointless one; the actual tutorial is barely enough time it's annoying, and most of it is fighting little minions, not doing boring shit, so claiming it is ten hours is making a problem where there is none, much like, to give a completely stupid example, if you said somebody looked like they lost a knife fight because they had a single shaving cut.

Well it still does sound pretty long, and the action is a little slow to start. And both of those have been admitted by everyone in the thread. So it's not an exaggeration without reason.

It kind of is... exaggerating 15 minutes of gathering/learning the controls and 30~45 minutes of fighting little minions to be ten hours is bringing it from what some people would consider too long to what nobody would consider worth playing.

Okay, that's fine, but it's still SLOW after that. There's plenty of gripes after that. Yeah, we get it. 10 hours=bad. Move on.

The game isn't slow after the first hour. After that it's 90% boss battles, 10% optional missions.

Okay, I'll confess I havn't played it. I don't KNOW that it's slow, that is what I've heard though (Both from people who liked it and didn't) but whatever.

Here's my basic point here. It IS a series of boss battles with little to no story. I realize there is a large group of people who that REALLY appeals to, and more power to you. I, however, really don't understand having to jam that down everyone's throats. The game that's been described to me in this and the other thread does not appeal to me in the slightest. It CLEARLY didn't appeal to Yahtzee in the slightest, and I think he got a tad further in than anyone here is giving him credit for. Why do you CARE? You have your niche! Be happy in it. That is what nerd-dom is all about. I think that Jak 2, while it had its flaws, was an unpolished version of the pinnacle of what gaming could be if grown to its true potential. It is a /VERY/ lonely camp, my friend, and I am HAPPY that it is that way. I also happily discuss my love for Jak 2 to anyone who will care to listen. I do not, however, track down folks on the internet who played a couple minutes of Jak 2 and decided it wasn't their thing. Usually these folks don't like platformers, think the art style is a little too cartoony, or think that the game's dark tones don't really fit with the ridiculous nature of the original game, nor the wacky and hilarious characters. These are all very valid criticisms. However, I love my game. And I don't feel the need to defend it to people who just WON'T like it. And nor should you. So go on! Keep loving your game. I won't.

Who the hell is jamming it down your throat? Seriously, you've got an absurdly skewed view if you think my posts have been jamming the game down people's throats. I recognize it has flaws. I'm just pointing out that the ones Yahtzee are pointing out just aren't true. I don't give a shit if you like Jak 2, and I don't give a shit if you like Monster Hunter, I just don't like it when people are reading Yahtzee's review and getting the facts wrong, especially when they start claiming things like "the game is slow" without playing it.

Here's my problem: You're talking down to anyone who thinks Yahtzee might have some valid points as if they're a naiive little kindergardener who needs to be lead around on a leash to find good games. Nay, sir, nay. While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

So, he shits all over the game, we say 'yay' you say 'nay'. Here comes the problem. You turn to those who say 'yay' and state that their 'yay' is wrong because Yahtzee is wrong because X, Y, Z. I don't get it. Why. It doesn't effect your enjoyment of the game. At worse, a zero punctuation fan is treated to a stinker of a review. I didn't throw a shitfit when the Wolfenstein review came out, and believe me I wanted to. So again I ask. WHY?

 

[milskidasith]

Well, at least this'll be the end of it- Tomorrow he'll have a new video, and it will be excellent and everyone will remember how damn awesome Yahtzee videos are.
Else they'll join the hate groups over on tvtropes. I've never seen that many feminists in one thread before...
And yes, I AM amused at the fact that there exists hate groups.

I don't think you understand what the word feminist means.

I'm also annoyed people would bash on hate groups just because they don't share the same opinion, while the common argument people use for Yahtzee is that it's just his opinion, it doesn't matter. Does nobody else see the hypocrisy of mocking people for their opinion on a video while claiming they can't dislike the videos because it is the guys opinion?

My belief is this: anyone who buys a game is entitled to an opinion of it whether they finished the game or not.

And this has what relevance to the comments people have been making about Yahtzee? People are complaining that Yahtzee A: Spent half the review talking about things that weren't the game and B: until the Extra Punctuation, was completely disingenuous about the fact that he didn't actually play the game, making it sound like the entire game is the (admittedly boring) tutorial misions.

His Extra Punctuation is also guilty of being misleading; yes, 10 hour tutorial is an exaggeration, but to anybody who didn't play the game, they wouldn't know that, and his other comments are either optional (you never *have* to fight monsters in free roam... he's basically complaining about the fact you *can* go fight the monster again, which seems rather stupid), or just skill related (if it takes a half hour to kill the first boss, you're doing it wrong... I could beat it in a half hour by kicking it to death).

Real quick: Don't treat us MH detractors like we're idiots, I pretty well figured out 10 hours was an exaggeration without your help, bud. EDIT: I guess we can consider that myth BUSTED.
*caterpillar crawls on my face*
Adam, I think you're being obtuse.

KABLAMO!

I'm not treating anybody in particular as idiots. I'm just pointing out there are posters that are, in fact, saying "A ten hour tutorial? That sucks" which kind of proves that some people are being mislead.

See: The very first post in the thread.

Even if you know it's an exaggeration, it's still a pointless one; the actual tutorial is barely enough time it's annoying, and most of it is fighting little minions, not doing boring shit, so claiming it is ten hours is making a problem where there is none, much like, to give a completely stupid example, if you said somebody looked like they lost a knife fight because they had a single shaving cut.

Well it still does sound pretty long, and the action is a little slow to start. And both of those have been admitted by everyone in the thread. So it's not an exaggeration without reason.

It kind of is... exaggerating 15 minutes of gathering/learning the controls and 30~45 minutes of fighting little minions to be ten hours is bringing it from what some people would consider too long to what nobody would consider worth playing.

Okay, that's fine, but it's still SLOW after that. There's plenty of gripes after that. Yeah, we get it. 10 hours=bad. Move on.

The game isn't slow after the first hour. After that it's 90% boss battles, 10% optional missions.

Okay, I'll confess I havn't played it. I don't KNOW that it's slow, that is what I've heard though (Both from people who liked it and didn't) but whatever.

Here's my basic point here. It IS a series of boss battles with little to no story. I realize there is a large group of people who that REALLY appeals to, and more power to you. I, however, really don't understand having to jam that down everyone's throats. The game that's been described to me in this and the other thread does not appeal to me in the slightest. It CLEARLY didn't appeal to Yahtzee in the slightest, and I think he got a tad further in than anyone here is giving him credit for. Why do you CARE? You have your niche! Be happy in it. That is what nerd-dom is all about. I think that Jak 2, while it had its flaws, was an unpolished version of the pinnacle of what gaming could be if grown to its true potential. It is a /VERY/ lonely camp, my friend, and I am HAPPY that it is that way. I also happily discuss my love for Jak 2 to anyone who will care to listen. I do not, however, track down folks on the internet who played a couple minutes of Jak 2 and decided it wasn't their thing. Usually these folks don't like platformers, think the art style is a little too cartoony, or think that the game's dark tones don't really fit with the ridiculous nature of the original game, nor the wacky and hilarious characters. These are all very valid criticisms. However, I love my game. And I don't feel the need to defend it to people who just WON'T like it. And nor should you. So go on! Keep loving your game. I won't.

Who the hell is jamming it down your throat? Seriously, you've got an absurdly skewed view if you think my posts have been jamming the game down people's throats. I recognize it has flaws. I'm just pointing out that the ones Yahtzee are pointing out just aren't true. I don't give a shit if you like Jak 2, and I don't give a shit if you like Monster Hunter, I just don't like it when people are reading Yahtzee's review and getting the facts wrong, especially when they start claiming things like "the game is slow" without playing it.

Here's my problem: You're talking down to anyone who thinks Yahtzee might have some valid points as if they're a naiive little kindergardener who needs to be lead around on a leash to find good games. Nay, sir, nay. While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

So, he shits all over the game, we say 'yay' you say 'nay'. Here comes the problem. You turn to those who say 'yay' and state that their 'yay' is wrong because Yahtzee is wrong because X, Y, Z. I don't get it. Why. It doesn't effect your enjoyment of the game. At worse, a zero punctuation fan is treated to a stinker of a review. I didn't throw a shitfit when the Wolfenstein review came out, and believe me I wanted to. So again I ask. WHY?

Yeah, first paragraph, you're wrong. There are far too many people who are taking his opinion as fact, yourself included (claiming the game is "slow" and that it has a ten hour tutorial), to say that nobody uses his opinion in regards to their purchases.

Second paragraph: Why? Because he's wrong. Yeah, it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game. The fact he's wrong *does* affect my enjoyment of his videos, though, and it does present misconceptions to other people that I want to clear up. Is that so wrong?

Again, I don't care what games you liked. This has never been about the fact that he doesn't like the game. This is about the fact that he's giving his fans misconceptions about the game, and I felt like clearing them up.

Before you say "Nobody trusts what he says" read the first post of the thread again.

 

[LeonLethality]

To shine a little bit of light that I think is missing on Monster Hunter fandom for people not playing the game:

MH3 is a test bench to see if there's enough of a market for the actual Monster Hunter MMO to be released in North America.

You seem sadly misinformed. Frontier has been out for years in Japan it is likely too late to bring it out here. Monster Hunter Tri was an attempt to appeal to western audiences, not to see if they should bring Frontier here.

They currently have no plans to and likely never will.

 

[thublihnk]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

 

[milskidasith]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

 

[thublihnk]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

First of all, MH3 is a niche market game for reasons I've already discussed. Second of all, I'm talking about thicks. Fucking MORONS. IDIOTS. Again, do you REALLy want them playing your multiplayer game?

Thirdly, and most importantly, Tri's been selling like hot cakes and neither I nor Yahtzee can do a damn thing to stop it, so your argument is moot.

 

[LeonLethality]

To shine a little bit of light that I think is missing on Monster Hunter fandom for people not playing the game:

MH3 is a test bench to see if there's enough of a market for the actual Monster Hunter MMO to be released in North America.

You seem sadly misinformed. Frontier has been out for years in Japan it is likely too late to bring it out here. Monster Hunter Tri was an attempt to appeal to western audiences, not to see if they should bring Frontier here.

They currently have no plans to and likely never will.

Uhm, no, you are misinformed. If they brought Frontier to North America, it would be with its own servers. The reason they haven't done it yet is because Monster Hunter sales were never really strong enough compared to Japan's to justify the expense of hosting an MMO here.

They are heavily promoting MH3 here because they want to see if they can find a big enough market to bring the MMO to. It being out in Japan for a while already has no bearing on this.

This was in an actual press release about MH3. I'll even try to find it for you.

I have yet to see anything about releasing it in the west. I do know that Tri is an attempt to make it more popular in the west but certainly not as an experiment to release Frontier. Likely just future MH games.

The only news of a western release of Frontier I have heard is wishful thinking from fans that if Tri sells well it will be brought over here.

And from what I heard CAPCOM doesn't even have the money to support the bandwidth over here.

 

[milskidasith]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

First of all, MH3 is a niche market game for reasons I've already discussed. Second of all, I'm talking about thicks. Fucking MORONS. IDIOTS. Again, do you REALLy want them playing your multiplayer game?

Thirdly, and most importantly, Tri's been selling like hot cakes and neither I nor Yahtzee can do a damn thing to stop it, so your argument is moot.

Holy shit the hypocrisy here is thick.

First of all, there's a difference between "bad at the game" and "idiots" and, even further, just because you listen to Yahtzee's doesn't mean you're an idiot. Even further, you can avoid idiots, you can't avoid lost game sales.

Second, the hypocritical part: You're claiming it's a niche market, yet selling absurdly well. How do the two mix? Monster Hunter is one of the highest selling games recently, has a huge amount of marketing, and is massive in Japan. It's not niche. It's huge. It's a, forgive the terrible pun, monster franchise for Capcom.

Third: Yahtzee *has* lost sales. Look at all the people in the video thread and this one that have said "holy shit that looks terrible" or "10 hour tutorial? That's terrible."

Those are all lost sales.

I'm actually starting to think you're just trolling, especially considering your insane overreaction to anybody who disagrees with you and the fact your posts seem to be as intentionally abrasive as possible.

 

[joshuaayt]

Well, at least this'll be the end of it- Tomorrow he'll have a new video, and it will be excellent and everyone will remember how damn awesome Yahtzee videos are.
Else they'll join the hate groups over on tvtropes. I've never seen that many feminists in one thread before...
And yes, I AM amused at the fact that there exists hate groups.

I don't think you understand what the word feminist means.

I'm also annoyed people would bash on hate groups just because they don't share the same opinion, while the common argument people use for Yahtzee is that it's just his opinion, it doesn't matter. Does nobody else see the hypocrisy of mocking people for their opinion on a video while claiming they can't dislike the videos because it is the guys opinion?

A) Yahtzee is apparantly sexist sometimes, and that is largely what is complained about and
B) I never 'bashed' on the hate group, merely said their existance amused me. The existance of the Half Life- Full Life Consequences videos amused me also, that doesn't say anything about my opinion of the original work OR the video.

 

[thublihnk]

While I respect Yahtzee's critical voice I don't, nor does fucking ANYONE buy or not buy games based on his reviews. If they state that they aren't because of his review, they probably weren't to jazzed about the game anyway.

If someone in a public position (such as Yahtzee) says something, someone else will do it. If there weren't a significant enough number of highly suggestible people out there, the Mythbusters and every car commercial ever wouldn't have to say "Don't try this at home".

Well then we've stopped the thicks from buying MH3, a largely multiplayer game if I'm not mistaken, and the game is better for it.

Because we all know that less sales of a game due to misconceptions about it are a good thing, right? It's obviously great for the fans of a series who would rather the games get sent here instead of being Japanese exclusives, right?

First of all, MH3 is a niche market game for reasons I've already discussed. Second of all, I'm talking about thicks. Fucking MORONS. IDIOTS. Again, do you REALLy want them playing your multiplayer game?

Thirdly, and most importantly, Tri's been selling like hot cakes and neither I nor Yahtzee can do a damn thing to stop it, so your argument is moot.

Holy shit the hypocrisy here is thick.

First of all, there's a difference between "bad at the game" and "idiots" and, even further, just because you listen to Yahtzee's doesn't mean you're an idiot. Even further, you can avoid idiots, you can't avoid lost game sales.

Second, the hypocritical part: You're claiming it's a niche market, yet selling absurdly well. How do the two mix? Monster Hunter is one of the highest selling games recently, has a huge amount of marketing, and is massive in Japan. It's not niche. It's huge. It's a, forgive the terrible pun, monster franchise for Capcom.

Third: Yahtzee *has* lost sales. Look at all the people in the video thread and this one that have said "holy shit that looks terrible" or "10 hour tutorial? That's terrible."

Those are all lost sales.

I'm actually starting to think you're just trolling, especially considering your insane overreaction to anybody who disagrees with you and the fact your posts seem to be as intentionally abrasive as possible.

First: You don't know what hypocrisy is.
Second: You don't know what trolling is.

Yes, listening to Yahtzee and basing purchasing decisions based solely on his opinions does make a person a fucking idiot. There is one exception to this rule. His name is Yahtzee.

And yes, a game can sell very well for a niche game. And yes, it is a niche game HERE, because it's inaccessible and unappealing to audiences here for reasons that have been pretty clearly displayed.

Do you really think any of those folks were ever going to buy this game? If they were so easily swayed by a couple minutes of Yahtzee talking, they probably weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

 

[KelsieKatt]

But of course the actual point of the game is the fights with giant monsters. That's what all the ancillary pottering about is leading up to and the most glaring absence from the main points of my review. Well, I did actually play far enough to start doing those. The last mission I played was one that had me hunting and killing some giant version of the velociraptor lads.

Basically this involved me smashing my shortsword against his flank over and over and over again, chipping away at his wretchedly massive amount of health for half an hour because every other weapon was so fucking slow to use that he'd jump out of the way and slap me across the chops with his tail in the time it took to swing them. This isn't even mentioning the weapon degradation system, for which someone badly deserves a mongoose up the trouser leg. Every ten hits or so (with the stupid, stupid Wiimote controls) my sword would lose sharpness, to the point that every other blow would bounce ringingly off the monster's hide as if I'd hit the thing with a fucking bamboo walking stick. So I'd have to pick between trying to get through the fight with a half-useless weapon or run off to slide a whetstone slowly along the blade with even odds whether or not the boss and all his friends come over and interrupt me with murder.

Was that really so hard..? :|

If you had acknowledged this boss fight to begin with, maybe it wouldn't have been blown out of hand to quite this extent. Obviously, some people would still complain, but probably not to quite the same extent. I know I personally wouldn't have even bothered posting, as I'm well aware of many of the issues in the game(and yes I do like the game.) The thing that bothered me was that they weren't even being acknowledged... Different people have different opinions and I respect that, which I actually find interesting to listen to (Maybe I'm weird in that respect? I don't know), assuming they actually talk about the main game. I enjoyed hearing you complain about that boss fight being frustrating/tedious/annoying/etc, significantly more than 'collecting mushrooms' and 'killing small helpless animals'...

I won't bother quoting specific examples, suffice to say there were a lot of them. The main thrust of the argument was that Monster Hunter Tri totally gets good once you've gotten past the tutorial, which takes about ten hours of gameplay.

Ten hours. Do you people listen to yourselves? Maybe if I had your kind of wealthy, privileged lifestyle and could spend most of my days idly playing Wii by the pool as a team of oiled bodybuilders fanned me with palm fronds, but some of us have jobs to do. Articles to write. Other, better games to review. Fun Space Games to avoid working on. As I've said time and again, "it gets better later" as an excuse does not wash for me. Even if the game is 50 percent poo and 50 percent mind-blowing envelope-pushing extravaganza, that's still mediocre on average.

Maybe I missed something, but I don't recall anyone saying anything about 10 hours. Not entirely sure where you're getting that from. Single Player took me less than a couple hours to get into boss fighting territory, and on multiplayer I was already fighting the chicken-dragon boss with 4 friends 30 seconds into the game (Qurupeco, if anyone's wondering.) Other than that, I've spent god knows how many hours at this game... and hardly ever collect mushrooms/etc unless I need to whip together a couple of mega potions for healing during a boss fight, which are obscenely easy to find and take a matter of seconds at the worst. Other than that, one of the *worst* things I had to do in terms of gathering was getting a few Machalite Ores, which I basically just ran off to the side for a moment while my teammates were fighting the boss in the same area, banged on a couple of rocks with my pick axe for several seconds and jumped right back into the fight. After a couple of these quests we were already doing anyway, I managed to get I needed on the way and that was it, without ever going on any gathering quests, I just grabbed them during the boss fights.

However, this of course all comes down to whether someone actually enjoys said boss fights or not. Which I fully expected you would loathe, and was hoping you would tear it to shreds in your video review last week, but that unfortunately didn't happen.

Someone explain to me how it makes sense that you can only change your equipment in your bedroom. Well, sure, OK, it would make sense in real life, but what if I'm in the overworld fighting big slow lumbering monsters with my giant two-handed sword, but now I've spotted some of those quick, whippy little bastards and want to switch to a shortsword and shield? I'd have to go all the way back home to do it. That'd just be embarrassing. Like having to come back to school in the evening because you left your P.E. kit there.

Essentially, the idea is to promote tactical play, in a sort of class-based manner. It's primarily designed around the concept of 4 player groups with other people fighting stuff together, so they expect you to essentially pick a 'role' for the group and stick with it. Although, it doesn't translate all that well to single player, and I personally think it would been nice if they would have let you have 2 weapon slots in Offline play, as sometimes the enemies are rather annoying to fight against depending on what's going on and normally, if you were online, your team would vary up some different tactics to suit the situation. Although, I suppose the weird little Cha Cha creature they slapped onto it helps with this a bit, but it's still not quite the same...

The map itself, by the way, is not actually an 'overworld'. It's just a plain old, nothing special level. You wind up fighting in others as well, like a volcano, snowy mountains, desert, swamp, etc. The whole 'overworld' aspect that they let you wander around in at Moga Woods wasn't even present in the original Monster Hunter, but they put it in there so that if people felt like wandering around it and fishing for example, if they wanted to, they could. As originally, it was purely mission based, and you only loaded up a level when you had a quest to do, but some people found that extremely annoying (said quest changes the sort of creatures in the level as well, which can make things even trickier if people just want to do some random little thing), so it was added in as an option. Otherwise it's basically a set of different environment types which shuffle creatures/bosses/enemies/etc in them depending on what quests you pick. Sometimes, even the environment items move around a bit, like one mission might for example have a small patch or two for grabbing spiderwebs to make a pitfall trap for fighting the boss, while others will have something else, etc.

 

[Twinmill5000]

milskidasith, I think I respect you a whole lot more after reading two entire pages of this thread.

Anyway, I did think MH3 was a niche game too... as said before, to me, it tried to blend two things that didn't mix all too well and I didn't think it would have done well... my absence of fact... my bad. Honestly, I don't even own a Wii >.>