Most obvious plot hole.

[gamerguyal]

So, I've been meaning to ask all the Escapists about this one for ages. It's Halo Reach.

Spoiler: Massive Halo: Reach Spoilers

Okay, so in the second last mission of the game it's revealed that that Doctor Lady has discovered something underground in an alien temple, a "latchkey discovery" she calls it. Turns out it's Cortana, the AI you spend the rest of the entire Halo series hanging out with. So the final mission is to deliver this AI to Captain Keyes, on the Pillar of Autumn. As everyone knows, this is the ship you (the Master Chief) is on at the beginning of the first Halo game. It's explained at the beginning of that game that the Pillar of Autumn did a pretty much random slip space drive jump to avoid leading the Covenant fleet to Earth. Your job is then to escort Cortana off the ship and avoid the enemy capturing her.
SO the problem is: HOW THE HELL DOES CORTANA KNOW ALL THIS STUFF? We just dug her out of the ground a few hours ago, tops! Yet she acts like she's known the Captain, the crew and the Covenant for years! She apparently even knows Master Chief, who's been in cryo genic sleep the whole time!

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure the manual for Combat Evolved straight up tells you Cortana is one of the most advanced AI's ever constructed by the human race. But we just dug her up! And how on earth did she "choose" the Master Chief as the Spartan she wanted to "work with"?! And what did she mean by "work with"?! She just got dug up, she has no idea where she's going, she has no idea they'll accidently end up at the first Halo ring, she has no idea what it does!

I'm sorry, I loved Reach, but the discovery that the pay load was Cortana was totally bogus. It was a pointless "Aha!" moment directed at fan boys at the complete expense of the continuity of the storyline.

[/rant]

No, that wasn't the discovery. Halsey discovered the Forerunner ruins. Cortana was spit into two halves, one on the Autumn and one with her. The Cortana half you escort has the data from the Forerunner ruins. The jump was never random, it was planned by Cortana and possibly Halsey because they knew there was something at those coordinateness. The data Cortana gained most likely explained exactly what that was (Halo), hence them going to it. Because it violated the Cole Protocol Cortana decided to just claim it was random. Also, Cortana is based off of a cloned brain of Dr. Halsey. The Cortana halves merged back together when they were reunited on the Autumn. No plot hole, you just need to know the canon.

Also, Cortana chose John because he was, in her mind, the best Spartan. Also, he was Halsey's favorite, so that probably affected her decision.

 

[Rhinhart]

One from the new startrek film. There have never been any Orions in the federation but near the beging of the film (before the time line was changed) uhura's room mate is shown to be a green Orion slave girl

 

[FolkLikePanda]

I don't get how Jesus dying helped people be forgiven for their sins, I thought he died because a bunch of Romans and Jews didn't like him.

The Romans were heathens incapable of basking in the glory of Gawd, dontcha know?

But how does that mean people were forgiven for their sins?

 

[Koroviev]

I don't get how Jesus dying helped people be forgiven for their sins, I thought he died because a bunch of Romans and Jews didn't like him.

The Romans were heathens incapable of basking in the glory of Gawd, dontcha know?

But how does that mean people were forgiven for their sins?

/sarcasm

 

[FolkLikePanda]

I don't get how Jesus dying helped people be forgiven for their sins, I thought he died because a bunch of Romans and Jews didn't like him.

The Romans were heathens incapable of basking in the glory of Gawd, dontcha know?

But how does that mean people were forgiven for their sins?

/sarcasm

Oooo, whats that?

 

[irishstormtrooper]

There's a pretty big plot hole between Bad Company's 1 and 2. If at the end of the first game, the gang makes off with a truck of gold, why are they still work in the military so soon afterward?

 

[hazabaza1]

There's a pretty big plot hole between Bad Company's 1 and 2. If at the end of the first game, the gang makes off with a truck of gold, why are they still work in the military so soon afterward?

What really got me is the whole

Spoiler

Aguire is Wyatt's son

thing.
Mainly because

Spoiler

If we assume Wyatt was around mid 30s when he died, and Aguire was born a few years before, since he was all "grr, my dad's dead" that's still an extra 70 something years minimum age. Yet he looks late mid 40s, maybe early 50s. How is that even possible? He should be nearly 80 years old! Make sense, game! MAKE. SENSE.

 

[crudus]

I think the story takes places over about a year. No? It's been a while I'll admit. So I agree with that in mind your point makes a loooooot of sense. Tolkien had an explanation of Eagles not meddling in human affairs too much but it was pretty.... lame.

Jesus dying on top of a tower? Yeah, lets meddle there. Billions of other people's suffering and lives on the line? No, lets pass. That Jesus guy can handle it.

That is actually since Gandalf is a friend of the Eagles after he healed the son of the Eagle King. And some other complicated thing about the Valar I won't go into. (But linked to not meddling with human affairs)

For the 5th time in this thread, that wasn't explained in the movie. Since it wasn't explained in the movie, it is a plot hole in the movie. I am sure it is all explained very well in the book thus not a plot hole for the book.

 

[Littlee300]

Avatar
1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.

1. They didn't have the resources.
2. That didn't make any sense I have no idea what you just siad.
3. Again, that made no sense, bullet proof gas? What?
4. The good guys one.


Night At The Museum, the guy never ever sleeps.

1. A space station would cost way more then a bomb about size of a big tree.
2. You just can't figure out how it makes sense
3. It is just a typo
4. What is good and bad is subjective

 

[Littlee300]

LOTR..the Giant Eagle Race could just fly someone with the ring right into Mordor, into mount doom and drop off the ring. completely bypassing hours of unnecessary bother.

The Eagle creatures aren't fond of humans, so they have ignored human problems a long time ago. Didn't you read the books?

Also they nazgul guys can fly and easily intercept eagles.
Also if you paid attention in movie you would see you have to ENTER mount doom where a army could be waiting
Also the eye would totally see it

 

[TheAbominableDan]

Citizen Kane.

Nobody was around to hear him say Rosebud.

 

[Ace2991]

Here are the worst films/games/cartoon plots ever created in my opinion:
1. Star Wars: The new trilogy marked a low point for the series which was already filled with plenty of good fantasy ideas to begin with. Then they added Jar-Jar Brinks, Anikin Skywalker, a crappy trade federation, a space princess who is not Leia,a bad prolouge that leads up to Darth Vader's existence, and a bunch of other crappy plot twist.

2. Avatar: Sure it had plenty of good fantasy ideas in the first hour and a half, until they turned Jake into a generic do it all hero. Here is my question, if Jake could go back and forth between a Human and a Navi, couldn't he just manipulate the two groups against each other for his own gain like in the Departed or something? I did not actually want either side to completely win right off the bat, but set up a senario where Jake learns how he can just be the Emperor of Pandora.

3. Star Trek (2009): I loved the space action in the new film and I've watched it plenty of times, but my father and I both cannot understand the time/space continuum switch that Spock and Kirk pull off later in the movie. Apparently Spock gave some bad stuff to some bad people, then he warps back in time to get Kirk and the new Spock to fix it. Hmmm? The jury is still out on that one.

4. Dragon Ball GT: Pretty much everything after Cell gets killed sucked...hard. Really f-ing hard! Everything from Majin Buu, to the fusions, to Goku and Vegeta going SSJ 3 and 4 for some reason. KOEI should have stopped at super saijan 2 with Gohan, but they kept going for no other reason than to make more money off of their loyal fans. Shame on them.

5. Halo: I stopped playing this series after the third game. I couldn't do anymore, I just could not keep defending this game after finishing the trilogy. I did not have the spirit or the encouragement to go on, especially since games like Modern Warfare, Battlefield, Gears of War, and Bioshock had much better stories and multiplayer alike. Even when the series moved to ODST and Reach, they still had a hard time with the story. It wasn't only the fact the spartans wore helmets and hulky body armor, it is the whole damn fiction that needs work. Microsoft is going to make another sequel though, and it will probably suck hard I can guarantee it. It is a good idea that Bungie left the series when they did.

 

[cheese_wizington]

Avatar
1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.

1. They didn't have the resources.
2. That didn't make any sense I have no idea what you just siad.
3. Again, that made no sense, bullet proof gas? What?
4. The good guys one.


Night At The Museum, the guy never ever sleeps.

1. A space station would cost way more then a bomb about size of a big tree.
2. You just can't figure out how it makes sense
3. It is just a typo
4. What is good and bad is subjective

1. They didn't have a space station, and they didn't have a bomb. If they wanted a bomb, it would have taken FOUR YEARS for it to be delivered, time which they absolutely didn't have.
2. No, it seriously made no sense. If you mean TANKS then what the fuck would two tanks on top of a base accomplish?
3. No explanation here.
4. I think it's pretty obvious who the good and the bad people are, just because you're playing Devils Advocate doesn't mean that you are any good at it.

 

[Fbuh]

LOTR..the Giant Eagle Race could just fly someone with the ring right into Mordor, into mount doom and drop off the ring. completely bypassing hours of unnecessary bother.

Would have worked if the eagles would consent to fly over Mordor. Not to mention the Nazgul having their own flying beasties.

 

[theSovietConnection]

2. How can those tree huggers kill a tank unless with those animals, not even bullets can take out a tank, easy... next!

He was refering to the transports I assume, which, if/when they fell, may just fuck up the tank and it's crew.

I still think the most glaring plothole in the movie was the way everything just united against the humans, though.

You did get that the entire point of the movie was that all life on that planet was interconnected didn't you? The reason they all 'rallied' was because the Navi could use that link and... oh nevermind. If you didn't get it after the ham-fisted approach they took in the movie I guess you never will. Try to suspend your disbelief a little bit to believe that they weren't simply 'dumb animals'.

That said, I agree that the humans should have easily won that, rather than the 'heroic ending' trad stuff that we get in every movie. Happy ending my arse.

Oh, I did get that, it just seemed it was only interconnected when it was convenient for the plot. I unno, I got it, I understood that the life was supposed to be interconnected, it just wasn't pulled off very well.

On a random note regarding Avatar and Reach, anyone else notice the similarities between the attack copters in each?

 

[ProfessorLayton]

Go read The Sacrifice; they're not actually immune at all.

I did. I guess I misspoke... they still have the disease and they're spreading it, but they're not turning into zombies. Does that make them immune, though?

 

[Littlee300]

Avatar
1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.

1. They didn't have the resources.
2. That didn't make any sense I have no idea what you just siad.
3. Again, that made no sense, bullet proof gas? What?
4. The good guys one.


Night At The Museum, the guy never ever sleeps.

1. A space station would cost way more then a bomb about size of a big tree.
2. You just can't figure out how it makes sense
3. It is just a typo
4. What is good and bad is subjective

1. They didn't have a space station, and they didn't have a bomb. If they wanted a bomb, it would have taken FOUR YEARS for it to be delivered, time which they absolutely didn't have.
2. No, it seriously made no sense. If you mean TANKS then what the fuck would two tanks on top of a base accomplish?
3. No explanation here.
4. I think it's pretty obvious who the good and the bad people are, just because you're playing Devils Advocate doesn't mean that you are any good at it.

1. O rly?

2. Yes it does you just can't figure out how it makes sense
3. Victory
4. Victory again!

 

[lazermoose]

Why did jesus have to die? I'm not kidding you, it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me. He died for our sins, but couldn't God have just chosen to forgive us without, you know, having his son suffer an agonising death? I'm not even bible bashing. Please explain this because I've obviously missed something HUGE

EDIT: I probably didn't need to put the second one in spoiler tags, but whatever.

Well I can explain the bible part, You see when we lived in the old testament days, God was very strict and we all had to sacrifice an animal once a week for our sins at the alter in repentence for our sins, however this process was quite troublesome, however God brought mercy on us all with HIS OWN sacrifices. Just like how we had to bring a lamb up for slaughter that must have nothing wrong with it, God brought his own son (Jesus, aka the Lamb of God) to sacrifice as he was the perfect human who had no flaws. So in other words, God drastically reduced the requirements to get into heaven.
By doing this we would no longer have to constantly go about sacrificing animals at the alter and instead all we would have to do is follow the new Testament's teachings and repent.

I hope I explained this the best I could and if you have any other questions, feel free to message me.

"when we lived in the old testament days, God was very strict..."

How do you know?

Where did God go since then?

Why did he decide not to make any more contact with us if he is still around?

Why would God appreciate murder in his name?

Last thing I would want to do is purposely have my own son murdered for me...

It even said so that God was strict. Getting into Heaven was a hell of alot harder than it is now.
In Romans Chapter 1 it said that God took a big step back from humanity seeing as how we wanted him out of our lives and wanted to do whatever we wanted to do, seeing as how God wouldn't want to force us to love him. (Harder to explain, but let me know If I should emphasize a bit more.)

Sadly Sacrificing was the only method back then to atone for the sins of Humanity. And secondly they ate the meat I believe after out of Necessity. (Don't get all Animal Activist on me about the BC TIME DAMMIT) Had Adam and Eve listened we wouldn't be here discussing such contreversial BS.

And finally put it this way. You don't want to go thru with sacrificing your son (ALSO it is yourself in Human form due to Omnipresence), but you realize that a good 90% of humanity will fall into Hell by their own had if you don't do so.
So Instead of having us all Constantly sacrificing animals in such a fashion every week and running little to no chance of getting into Heaven, He sacrifices his son (IE himself in human form) to open the gates of Heaven to us. To forgive us of our sin, but still having to do what we can to live by him.

This all can be found in the Bible dude, whether you believe it or not is your decision, I just prefer not to have my beliefs belittled by a skeptic. So my advice is that if you want to analyze God like that, then try reading the bible and make your own Opinion from there rather than confronting someone who was trying to explain why an event happened the way it did.

Sacrifice NEVER needed to happen

Just sounds like someone justifying murdering animals to stay alive...

And religion is just someone making up stories to ease peoples fear of death

Why does hell exist?

Why does a supposed ever-loving "God" allow it to exist?

First of all, I apologize for the horribly quoted text, I tried to make it a little better, but it still sucks.

Now, onto the actual question:
1. WHY did Jesus have to die?
I sometimes struggle with this, and sometimes, it makes perfect sense. On one hand, it makes NO SENSE AT ALL! I mean, God... the maker of everything... needed to send His own Son to die so that we might live? That's a little far-fetched.

But if you look at it as I believe God looks at it, it makes perfect sense.
You see, He's perfect. (I feel many of you guys have problems with this whole situation simply because you don't believe God exists... I'm not here to tell you what to believe, but I'm telling you what I believe, and I'll try to back it up with the Bible.)

"You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil;
with you the wicked cannot dwell." -- Psalms 5:4

This pretty much sets the stage for the entire Bible. God has no fellowship with evil, or darkness as it is sometimes called (1 John 1:5.) When He created humans, He created them perfect beings because He desired to do so. He wanted to love us (because "God is love" -- 1 John 4:8)
HOWEVER He gave us silly humans free will.

(I've heard many discussions about God giving us free will and how that was a stupid idea, but the basic idea is "If we can't choose to love Him and obey Him, then we're really not having a relationship with Him." It makes sense. In a real-life example, we open ourselves up to disappointment every time we choose to love. The man chooses to love the woman, but if he has a shred of sense he knows that by opening himself up to this woman and loving her, there's a possibility that this woman might break his heart. God did the same with us.)

Anyways, He gives us free will because otherwise we'd be stupid robots, so instead we're stupid humans who, instead of chilling in the most perfect place ever created (literally!) we decide to do the only thing God tells us not to do, disobeying God and bringing sin to our world.

God, being perfect, and living in a perfect Heaven/Garden of Eden, can't have these imperfect people in there with Him! So He kicks them out, BUT gives them a way to return to His presence. Sacrifice.

The reason for sacrifice in the OT isn't salvation! It's a reminder of the consecuences of sin.

"The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming, not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." -- Hebrews 10:1-4

There is nothing that we can do in order to EARN salvation, or a one-way ticket out of hell. In the following verse, it shows that the "wages" (what one has earned) of sin is DEATH. God knew that we had earned death, but He, because of His love for us, decided to send His Son in order to pay for our sins, to receive the wages that we had earned. The sacrifices were simply a reminder; however, Jesus' sacrifice was different.

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." -- Romans 6:23

Jesus' sacrifice was not unnecessary; in order for God to be just (and He's unchanging, so if He's just some of the time, He'll be just all of the time) He couldn't give us humans a free ticket from our consequences, but He DID have compassion on us (since we were eternally screwed) and gave us a way out... His Son's sacrifice.

I don't know if I answered everything (or if any of my answer is acceptable to you) but I enjoy talking about what I believe (and not simply arguing.) Message me, or comment here, if you have any more questions (hopefully I'll be able to help at least a bit!)

 

[Singularly Datarific]

In Pirates of the Caribbean 2, why did they bother going through all the trouble to get the key from squid face, when they already had the box and could have smashed/shot it open while on land.

Also, they have a Blacksmith.
He has a diagram of what the key looks like
WHAT DO YOU THINK HE SHOULD DO?
EDIT:

Avatar
1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.

1. They didn't have the resources.
2. That didn't make any sense I have no idea what you just siad.
3. Again, that made no sense, bullet proof gas? What?
4. The good guys one.


Night At The Museum, the guy never ever sleeps.

1. A space station would cost way more then a bomb about size of a big tree.
2. You just can't figure out how it makes sense
3. It is just a typo
4. What is good and bad is subjective

1. They didn't have a space station, and they didn't have a bomb. If they wanted a bomb, it would have taken FOUR YEARS for it to be delivered, time which they absolutely didn't have.
2. No, it seriously made no sense. If you mean TANKS then what the fuck would two tanks on top of a base accomplish?
3. No explanation here.
4. I think it's pretty obvious who the good and the bad people are, just because you're playing Devils Advocate doesn't mean that you are any good at it.

1. O rly?

2. Yes it does you just can't figure out how it makes sense
3. Victory
4. Victory again!

That is the Venture Star, a sublight starship that takes 5.5 years each way to get to Pandora. It only has what they decided to put on it 5.5 years ago, so asking for a nuke would take 5.5 years to ask for it, and if it gets approved, it will take another 5.5 years on the way back, which by then all the humans will be dead.
They did the best they could with what they had, except they suck at diplomacy and they -had- to kill all aliens.

 

[Broken Orange]

District 9

How the hell does that red stuff work as spaceship fuel and turning you into one of the prawns?

Sorry if someone already explained this.

The Prawn technology is biased on their DNA and when he got sprayed, The alien DNA began to fuse with his human DNA. Since Prawn weapons could only be fired by Prawn DNA, not human. One would assume that this also works with the space ships.

That is how I see it at least.