Because those are really the kinds of people I want frequenting a site.Revelo said:Been seeing on places like Reddit that a lot of people have whitelisted the Escapist as a result of his departure. So hopefully more ad revenue flowing in.
Because those are really the kinds of people I want frequenting a site.Revelo said:Been seeing on places like Reddit that a lot of people have whitelisted the Escapist as a result of his departure. So hopefully more ad revenue flowing in.
You seem to have overestimated the value of your opinion. Regardless of whether or not you consider those people to be undesirables, they are still paying customers, and the Escapist would be remiss to ignore them just because you won't deign to share the same electrons as them.KazeAizen said:Because those are really the kinds of people I want frequenting a site.Revelo said:Been seeing on places like Reddit that a lot of people have whitelisted the Escapist as a result of his departure. So hopefully more ad revenue flowing in.
Yeah their money is as green as my money or whatever. There is also something called standards. Hypothetically if I was running the site and I was blacklisted by a radical subset that I consider to be undesirable company I'd try my absolute hardest to make sure I stay on their blacklist because I wouldn't want people like them messing with or mingling with the good customer base I had acquired. Reputation is also a pretty big deal.Slayer4472 said:You seem to have overestimated the value of your opinion. Regardless of whether or not you consider those people to be undesirables, they are still paying customers, and the Escapist would be remiss to ignore them just because you won't deign to share the same electrons as them.KazeAizen said:Because those are really the kinds of people I want frequenting a site.Revelo said:Been seeing on places like Reddit that a lot of people have whitelisted the Escapist as a result of his departure. So hopefully more ad revenue flowing in.
I love it how you immediately assume that people, who all we really know about is that they disagree with a content creator and so choose to avoid the site they are associated with (which is actually the prevailing opinon here on the escapist re: Mozilla / Ender's Game), are automatically radical and undesirable.KazeAizen said:a radical subset that I consider to be undesirable
Yeah that's a big assumption. Fine. Link me those people then so I can see who they are. If they are who I think they are then yeah I'd want to stay on that particular blacklist.wulf3n said:I love it how you immediately assume that people, who all we really know about is that they disagree with a content creator and so choose to avoid the site they are associated with (which is actually the prevailing opinon here on the escapist re: Mozilla / Ender's Game), are automatically radical and undesirable.KazeAizen said:a radical subset that I consider to be undesirable
Eh... I don't think "radical subset" is terribly accurate- I know I've been pussyfooting around the Escapist trying not to click on MovieBob content for nearly as long as I've had this account. The fact of the matter is that MovieBob has been behaving very poorly for a very long time, and I don't blame anyone for attempting to avoid giving him money.KazeAizen said:Yeah their money is as green as my money or whatever. There is also something called standards. Hypothetically if I was running the site and I was blacklisted by a radical subset that I consider to be undesirable company I'd try my absolute hardest to make sure I stay on their blacklist because I wouldn't want people like them messing with or mingling with the good customer base I had acquired. Reputation is also a pretty big deal.Slayer4472 said:You seem to have overestimated the value of your opinion. Regardless of whether or not you consider those people to be undesirables, they are still paying customers, and the Escapist would be remiss to ignore them just because you won't deign to share the same electrons as them.KazeAizen said:Because those are really the kinds of people I want frequenting a site.Revelo said:Been seeing on places like Reddit that a lot of people have whitelisted the Escapist as a result of his departure. So hopefully more ad revenue flowing in.
Sorry your wrong you can't go blanketing and entire group and user base just because some of the people are scum of the Earth. It's those kind of sweeping statements that this entire mess has a problem with...oon both bloody sides!KazeAizen said:Yeah that's a big assumption. Fine. Link me those people then so I can see who they are. If they are who I think they are then yeah I'd want to stay on that particular blacklist.wulf3n said:I love it how you immediately assume that people, who all we really know about is that they disagree with a content creator and so choose to avoid the site they are associated with (which is actually the prevailing opinon here on the escapist re: Mozilla / Ender's Game), are automatically radical and undesirable.KazeAizen said:a radical subset that I consider to be undesirable
And all people do is yell at the teacher for punishing them all instead of say bringing the rest of the classroom in line. That is the bigger problem. That group. Yes that group clad in pink and green. Blanketing that entire group is about the only thing that can be done. If I'm going to be seeing a lot more pink and green avatars here there is only one safe place for me here. Heck they are the only reason I've even bothered staying on this site period.Ralancian said:Sorry your wrong you can't go blanketing and entire group and user base just because some of the people are scum of the Earth. It's those kind of sweeping statements that this entire mess has a problem with...oon both bloody sides!
You mean his Twitter feed right? Where he's about as blunt as a baseball bat to the face. You ever think about listening to understand rather than listen to argue? Believe me I've actually tried that and I still couldn't get on board whatsoever with this subset we are oh so carefully tiptoeing around.Slayer4472 said:Eh... I don't think "radical subset" is terribly accurate- I know I've been pussyfooting around the Escapist trying not to click on MovieBob content for nearly as long as I've had this account. The fact of the matter is that MovieBob has been behaving very poorly for a very long time, and I don't blame anyone for attempting to avoid giving him money.
ugh you realise your part of the problem right? Both sides have their more moderate people, people who want to talk about the issues and come a consensus.KazeAizen said:And all people do is yell at the teacher for punishing them all instead of say bringing the rest of the classroom in line. That is the bigger problem. That group. Yes that group clad in pink and green. Blanketing that entire group is about the only thing that can be done. If I'm going to be seeing a lot more pink and green avatars here there is only one safe place for me here. Heck they are the only reason I've even bothered staying on this site period.Ralancian said:Sorry your wrong you can't go blanketing and entire group and user base just because some of the people are scum of the Earth. It's those kind of sweeping statements that this entire mess has a problem with...oon both bloody sides!
Please excuse me, but I absolutely cannot understand what you're trying to say. Are you disputing that MovieBob has been acting unprofessionally, or that individuals are unjustified in avoiding his content?KazeAizen said:You mean his Twitter feed right? Where he's about as blunt as a baseball bat to the face. You ever think about listening to understand rather than listen to argue? Believe me I've actually tried that and I still couldn't get on board whatsoever with this subset we are oh so carefully tiptoeing around.Slayer4472 said:Eh... I don't think "radical subset" is terribly accurate-I know I've been pussyfooting around the Escapist trying not to click on MovieBob content for nearly as long as I've had this account. The fact of the matter is that MovieBob has been behaving very poorly for a very long time, and I don't blame anyone for attempting to avoid giving him money.
You're giving him an impossible task.KazeAizen said:Yeah that's a big assumption. Fine. Link me those people then so I can see who they are. If they are who I think they are then yeah I'd want to stay on that particular blacklist.wulf3n said:I love it how you immediately assume that people, who all we really know about is that they disagree with a content creator and so choose to avoid the site they are associated with (which is actually the prevailing opinon here on the escapist re: Mozilla / Ender's Game), are automatically radical and undesirable.KazeAizen said:a radical subset that I consider to be undesirable
ugh you realise your part of the problem right? Both sides have their more moderate people, people who want to talk about the issues and come a consensus.Ralancian said:And all people do is yell at the teacher for punishing them all instead of say bringing the rest of the classroom in line. That is the bigger problem. That group. Yes that group clad in pink and green. Blanketing that entire group is about the only thing that can be done. If I'm going to be seeing a lot more pink and green avatars here there is only one safe place for me here. Heck they are the only reason I've even bothered staying on this site period.
I now understand why you all are offended but personally I can't be fucked to care. I'm a straight male gamer yet I'm not up in arms over someones comments when they really don't matter. Either way I've grown tired of the topic. I wanted a better understanding of GG and I got it. I found your analogy/comparison whatever silly was all and I have no problem with rational thinking.. that's irrational lol. I was referring more to the self proclaimed enlightened twitter warriors who think their rationale is somehow.. rational even though they're fucking bonkers.Vigormortis said:DugMachine said:snipSigh. For the umpteenth time: I am not a GamerGate supporter. I do not associate with the movement in any way, shape, or form. I do not claim to speak for GGers, in part or in whole. I wish you'd stop calling me a GGer when speaking to other posters. Please stop lying.DugMachine said:snip
And as for my analogy, how about this: Let's say Bob came out and said, "All movie-goers are subhuman shits!" Would you still be confused why someone, namely a movie-goer, might take offense to his comment?
If not, I don't know what else to say, really. I don't know why you're not getting it, but you really aren't getting it. I don't know if this is due to some willful dishonesty on your part or if it's because you genuinely do not understand the difference between an analogy and a comparison. Either way, I'm done. I have no interest in having a discussion with someone who feigns curiosity and then ignores the replies.[footnote]Especially if that person thinks rational thinking is a bad thing.[/footnote] Or, at worst, twists them into something they aren't so you can embolden or rationalize your original position.
Good day to you.
Ditto here on not caring about gamergate. Glad you got what you wanted out of this topic. But for future reference, peoples personal opinion's don't affect you, nor yours theirs. I don't know why you need to keep pointing out you are a straight white male gamer while at the same time find a loose social/racial analogy problematic. Perhaps you projected or intuited an agenda that was not being pushed. This is not about Gamergate. It's about how he BEHAVED during gamergate.DugMachine said:I now understand why you all are offended but personally I can't be fucked to care. I'm a straight male gamer yet I'm not up in arms over someones comments when they really don't matter. Either way I've grown tired of the topic. I wanted a better understanding of GG and I got it. I found your analogy/comparison whatever silly was all and I have no problem with rational thinking.. that's irrational lol. I was referring more to the self proclaimed enlightened twitter warriors who think their rationale is somehow.. rational even though they're fucking bonkers.
But good day to you as well.
While that is true for the subhuman quote, he often rants about "gamers" as a whole on twitter.Silvanus said:Precisely! And since Bob spoke about "conservabros", not all gamers were included in that.Strazdas said:If you say pirates are bad, it means that pirates are bad, whereas not all humans are pirates. if you say dudebros are bad it means that dudebros are bad whereas not all gamers are dudebros. if you say gamers are bad then you include both dudebros and non-dudebros gamers.
Shhhh! people who want the site to fail because their darling got fired cannot deal with someone likeable still making content on this site (yatzee does not count because they think he isnt likeable)Pyrolithic said:Criminy, am I the only one here who enjoys Loading Ready Run's content?
Granted, the site could definitely use some newer video content to offset the recent departures, but it's not as though the only video content left if ZP.
Could I get a quote?Strazdas said:While that is true for the subhuman quote, he often rants about "gamers" as a whole on twitter.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people objecting to his language, his tone, the stuff he's said.Strazdas said:While no doubt its possible that Subhuman was the last straw, its not like this is all he did. he did enough that even I gave up on him months ago.