Naughty Dog: Uncharted 2 'Impossible' On Xbox 360
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...What? I was leading up to that as a point: because I assumed that there would soon be someone saying "LOL 360 IS T3H SUX" if there hadn't been one already.Jumplion said:
It isn't that hard to make games multidisk with minimal breaks in the immersion. All it takes is, once again, a little effort.
And as far as loadless games go, I agree actually: it's just that when you consider games like Fallout 3 and Oblivion (with similar low loading amounts) work on the 360, this statement seems rather pompous.
I wasn't complaining about lack of load times: I was voicing my opinion that the "Doing this on the 360 is impossible" bit was a load.SinisterDeath said:
I never said anything about that, or said that Sony was behind this. And Valve doesn't work for Microsoft.
*sigh*
Freaking developers developing exclusive games piss me off.
"It's absolutely, in NO way possible on the [insert opposite console here]. Trust us. We're developers."
Honestly, I don't believe their statements. If a game like "Rage" is possible on both consoles, why wouldn't an extremely linear game be possible?
I'm being serious. Someone answer.
Freaking developers developing exclusive games piss me off.
"It's absolutely, in NO way possible on the [insert opposite console here]. Trust us. We're developers."
Honestly, I don't believe their statements. If a game like "Rage" is possible on both consoles, why wouldn't an extremely linear game be possible?
I'm being serious. Someone answer.
Yeah, THAT's the point. They haven't even tried and yet it's impossible. It's PRBS just put out to make the PS3 seem better than it is.Antareus said:
Continuing, Balestra adds: "The fact that every PS3 has a hard drive is huge for us.
> Almost all 360s do as well... or at least should if you bought a good one.
It's the combination of Blu-ray and hard drive. You can play the entire game without loading. We don't require an install.
> Why do you need a hard drive if there isn't an install
We're doing all the post-processing effects on the SPUs [Synergistic Processing Units]. The quality of the depth of field we have, you can't do that on the Xbox."
>All of anything done on the PS3 is done on SPUs...
Uncharted 2:
IT'S LIKE DRINKING UNICORN GIGGLES
> Almost all 360s do as well... or at least should if you bought a good one.
It's the combination of Blu-ray and hard drive. You can play the entire game without loading. We don't require an install.
> Why do you need a hard drive if there isn't an install
We're doing all the post-processing effects on the SPUs [Synergistic Processing Units]. The quality of the depth of field we have, you can't do that on the Xbox."
>All of anything done on the PS3 is done on SPUs...
Uncharted 2:
IT'S LIKE DRINKING UNICORN GIGGLES
This is not a new tactic by companies using blu-ray, either for movies OR video games.Antareus said:
They layer this data over and over to cut down on the time it takes the blu ray player to read and transfer data required. That is why they burn multiple copies of a game or movie to a blu-ray, due to the drive's reading speed.
Here is a good article explaining it:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2007/01/6658.ars
No but when they say they couldnt make it work by chopping it up onto multiple disks on the 360, YES, I believe they were being slightly UNTRUTHFUL.Rusty Bucket said:
scotth266 said:
You weren't complaining about non-existant load times huh?
You were saying, that 'they' naughty dog were saying it is impossible because the 360 sucks ass.
I was pointing out the ridiculousness of this 'whining', because, o noes! Someone said something GOOD about the PS3. CAuse, obviously no one from microsoft side has said anything bad about the ps3!
Its called sarcasm.
And there are more companies then just Valve that complained about the PS3. Most of them, however have just grown up.
Ohhh, thank you.ManBarrel said:
You have made this whole thread so much better.
If I could, I would hug you over the internet.
But hey, why not let the developers say what they like?
They've put tons of work into their games, let 'em cater to their audience.
People with [insert console here] like to be catered to.
...yes, I'm speaking as one of those people.
Listen 360 owners, you should be saying "eh, you have your exclusives, and we have ours."
Yes this topic is about hardware possibilites. The 360 is on par with today's hardware, but with the exponentialy evolving technology, it wouldn't have the staying power and could be overtaken by PCs that cost half the 360 price in a couple of years. Sony kind of saw that curve and decided to put their money in the future and get ahead of the game so that they wound't have to worry about a PS4 for a long time. Unfortunantly, it is like alien technology to some developers.
Yes bluray can hold more data (mainly because a freeking narrow blue laser is used to read the disks), and I can see the possibilities in no loading screens at all. As a sony developer, Naughty Dog had a couple of years to monkey around with this PS3 code, routing tasks to different parts of the cell processor. So they could have it down. Other deveopers like Activision, Ubisoft, EA, and others that make games for multiple or all consoles don't have the time or money to expirament with the PS3 code.
And seriously, I don't give a shit if it's the game idea is an "unorigional tomb raider ripoff," it still looks like a nice game. And where did say game origionality was a part of the topic?
This post is acting as a buffer to just barely (and not even for the lack of observance) quell this flame war.
Yes this topic is about hardware possibilites. The 360 is on par with today's hardware, but with the exponentialy evolving technology, it wouldn't have the staying power and could be overtaken by PCs that cost half the 360 price in a couple of years. Sony kind of saw that curve and decided to put their money in the future and get ahead of the game so that they wound't have to worry about a PS4 for a long time. Unfortunantly, it is like alien technology to some developers.
Yes bluray can hold more data (mainly because a freeking narrow blue laser is used to read the disks), and I can see the possibilities in no loading screens at all. As a sony developer, Naughty Dog had a couple of years to monkey around with this PS3 code, routing tasks to different parts of the cell processor. So they could have it down. Other deveopers like Activision, Ubisoft, EA, and others that make games for multiple or all consoles don't have the time or money to expirament with the PS3 code.
And seriously, I don't give a shit if it's the game idea is an "unorigional tomb raider ripoff," it still looks like a nice game. And where did say game origionality was a part of the topic?
This post is acting as a buffer to just barely (and not even for the lack of observance) quell this flame war.
There's a difference between doubting something and complaining about something.SinisterDeath said:
Also, the other statement was to head off any fanboys that might be misinterpreting what Naughty Dog had said as "this game can't be done on the 360", because that's not what they're really saying at all. The title for the thread is a bit misleading.
I... didn't like Uncharted 2 when I played it in beta (by getting Infamous). It wasn't the bugs (there were some; remember, beta), but I just didn't like the overall design of the game. It's also kind of hard to see the 'pretty graphics' appeal (aside from the fact that there's color) in standard definition, when other games (Batman, MGS4) look great regardless of the resolution you play them in. Since elaborating further on that would be breaking the NDA I made with Naughty Dog (I probably did already; please don't sue me), I won't say more.
Although it is possible that many of my gripes with it will be fixed by the time it goes gold.
On topic, translation: "lulz mai gaem is s0 awesum the consuu dat m$ ownz cnt run it. pc cnt ethr cuz itz 2 g00d rofl."
(I'm more interested in MAG, and to a degree, GoW3, anyway.)
Although it is possible that many of my gripes with it will be fixed by the time it goes gold.
On topic, translation: "lulz mai gaem is s0 awesum the consuu dat m$ ownz cnt run it. pc cnt ethr cuz itz 2 g00d rofl."
(I'm more interested in MAG, and to a degree, GoW3, anyway.)
this is such silly discussion. if they wanted to naughty dog could easily develop this game for the 360 they could put it on 2 discs or scale the graphics back to gears of war 2 or mass effect level and the game would still look great. the only reasons it's not being developed for the 360 is because sony doesn't want it to be, and 360 owners have plenty of better games to buy instead. the first uncharted was pretty but kinda racist and lacked great gameplay. selling a game because it's pretty doesn't seem like a good way to encourage your fanbase to stick with your console
this is such silly discussion. if they wanted to naughty dog could easily develop this game for the 360 they could put it on 2 discs or scale the graphics back to gears of war 2 or mass effect level and the game would still look great. the only reasons it's not being developed for the 360 is because sony doesn't want it to be, and 360 owners have plenty of better games to buy instead. the first uncharted was pretty but kinda racist and lacked great gameplay. selling a game because it's pretty doesn't seem like a good way to encourage your fanbase to stick with your console
When are developers going to realize that people play games for FUN, not pretty environments, ridiculous system requirements, or fan service. I prefer playing tetris to Crysis because tetris is just FUN. That's what gaming is about, having fun. Take your fancy environments, big-name developers, and SHOVE 'EM! I'll be playing Super Mario Bros.
Generally multi-player mode runs in lower detail than single player. They do it so it runs better when you have 8v8 or 16v16. Even in solop lay you rarely see that many enemies on the screen. (let alone the latency involved with it) MGSO doesn't look AS good as MGS4, even though MGSO is part of MGS4.Miles Tormani said:
