Naughty Dog: Uncharted 2 'Impossible' On Xbox 360
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I think I have a decent reason as to why he said that Uncharted 2 wouldn't work on the 360. It isn't because of space, or graphics, but because of the game engine that runs Uncharted. Specifically the Naughty Dog engine. And if I were to guess, the engine was made specifically for the PS3 , and trying to bring it to a console it wasn't made for at all would raise massive complications. If they wanted to bring it to the 360, they would have to radically change the engine, or potentially make a new one, which doing either option is a massive challange. It is impossable givin the current situation. It is possable, but with the way things are right now, with the engine built specifically for the PS3, and them being owned by Sony, it will not happen.
Just look at the problems DICE is having trying to bring Battlefield 1943 to the PC. The Frostbite engine was made specifically for consoles, and bringing it to the PC is incrediably difficult. And the only reason they can bring 1943 to the PC is because EA is a multiplatform publisher/developer. And even though its coming, it is a massive challenge bringing an engine built specifically for consoles to the PC.
Blasphemy!
Just look at the problems DICE is having trying to bring Battlefield 1943 to the PC. The Frostbite engine was made specifically for consoles, and bringing it to the PC is incrediably difficult. And the only reason they can bring 1943 to the PC is because EA is a multiplatform publisher/developer. And even though its coming, it is a massive challenge bringing an engine built specifically for consoles to the PC.
You dare have the caption FLAME ON! without the human torch from the Fantastic 4?!ChromeAlchemist said:
[small]Okay, okay, I'll stop using the picture.[/small][HEADING=2]When it's not relevant! Haha![/HEADING][small]etc[/small].
Blasphemy!
It is a pretty good game, but everyone has differant tastes and your friend just may not like Uncharted. Its gameplay is like Gears of War, and there are quite a few who don't like Gears of War, so yeah.SnippyWings said:
You know, we could just have Gabe Newell and this guy fight; it would save a lot of time and massively irrelevant announcements.
I'm a PC gamer.johnman said:
I was trying to point out that it's a matter of a development teams skill/experience with a console's set of hardware. But well done you really added to the discussion well with a fan boy-ist comment. You're right, but as a PC gamer you should know that you just need to maintain a smug disposition.
I heard that Hideo Kojima needed to cut some stuff from MGS4 to get it to fit on a dual-layer Blu-Ray disc, and that game needed both installation and loading times!
Also, I'm surprised that everyone is speculating that the game could be on the Xbox, when as a PS3 exclusive it will never happen.
If nothing else, the game looks incredible in motion. I've seen gameplay videos. If it's just another third-person shooter, though, I'll probably pass. They'll need to bring something else to the table.
Also, I'm surprised that everyone is speculating that the game could be on the Xbox, when as a PS3 exclusive it will never happen.
If nothing else, the game looks incredible in motion. I've seen gameplay videos. If it's just another third-person shooter, though, I'll probably pass. They'll need to bring something else to the table.
Never heard of Age of Conan have you? I'm running an impressive 30GB.darkroot said:
fallout 3, my folder is a whopping 11GB, and Oblivion is 13GB. Care to eat your own face now?
Oh, its possible that all the data on the games are uncompressed, but that doesn't make it a BAD THING.
Think of it like this.
If data is compressed you get
data loss
or, like uncompressed vs Jpeg. jpeg looks fuckin ugly.
But, you also have to consider, if the data is compressed, that means they have to 'decompress' it. Thats going to use more processing power. So lets assume they were to 'load' all of this uncompressed data onto the hard drive, while you are playing the game (Entirely possible), That means they will have more processing power that isn't devoted to constantly decompressing the games data.
This.skcseth said:
And who gives a shit. If I wanted to play a game with no original ideas, I would play Uncharted! It's a bunch of arse!
For multiple reasons. Usually installations are used to improve load speed of textures etc. From what I read, MGS4 used a 50 gig disk and filled it with uncompressed textures and great quality audio, which without a doubt is a ton to load from a disk. In fact, when you're loading everything from a dvd, you end up with something like Mass Effect (unreal 3 engine) where the textures are loaded as you play the game, which is just annoying.TheGreenManalishi said:
All in all, the installation in uncharted 2 is optional, but it's also recommended to reduce load times.
Quite a few care about Uncharted, but I guess you have to be a PS3 owner, or be friends with one, to know that.The Bandit said:
Crysis 2 on the console, will not run the Cry engine 1, the one that made PC's cry in pain when it was first released. Instead it will use Cry engine 3, which is an engine optimized for CONSOLES. So obviously the game is going to work on consoles if it's built for them. Also Far cry 2 used the cry engine 2 and had impressive graphics, but that's different, Uncharted uses a different engine, and different techniques.AverageJoe said:
Tbh my guess would be that what the guy was on about how the size is not practical for the 360 (multiple dvds for a short game?) and how their current engine uses a technology that's in the PS3 and not in the 360, and thus it would not be possible to move the game straight to the 360 without some tweakage (maybe even major tweakage for all we know).
CryEngine 3 looks good but it's not mind blowing. Also it's important to note that the CryEngine 3 is made FOR CONSOLES, I can't stress that enough. When you're making something for a specific type of hardware, then obviously it's going to work.Rusty Bucket said:
Also it's pretty obvious that they never tried to make the game for the 360, seeing as they work for Sony.
I laughed when I read this. Do you know how fast a laser moves around on a dvd? Copying the same data over and over should not improve performance as the order of the data stored on the dvd will be the same, and thus the distance between the data packs will be identical. Also most games are optimized in a way that as you progress through a game the data belonging to the later part of the game is stored later on in the disk, in the same general area.HyenaThePirate said:
Sacred 2 with it's ultra graphics uses 20 gigs of space, also many mmos use more than 15 gigs, but that's mmos, so I guess that doesn't count. But tbh, a lot of the games released on the PC are also released on the consoles, and although you may say, "but it's the PC!", you still face the same issue of having to create multiple disks if the game is bigger than 7gigs (ish). I'm pretty sure that when a developer decides to release something like Bioshock or mass effect onto the pc, they think ahead and decide that it's cheaper to just do a proper port and and keep textures the same (for the most part).darkroot said:
True but it's run on the same hardware and the software they use are different, so age shouldn't really matter unless you look at individual progress, but that's just complicated to compareThibaut said:MGS4 is an older game...TheGreenManalishi said:
.ALL IN ALL, the guy works with games so he should know what he's talking about, however he really didn't have to mention that it couldn't run on a 360. I know that what he said is probably true in a certain context, but it really brings out the anger of the people who can't take a slight grain of negativity in their lives.
Also everyone knows that the 360 rules, regardless of whether or not Uncharted is on it
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Oh and to the person saying that because his 360 can run Fallout 3 it can also run anything you throw at it... ROFL. Fallout 3 used the Oblivion engine and imo the game looked way outdated. Hell, I thought ghostbusters had way better graphics than Fallout 3 :|.
Don't give a damn about uncharted, PS3 owners can keep there modern Laura croft. Now rachet and clank, that's what I want on the 360.
Exactly, but I think people are missing the point. The guy didn't go "HAHAHA YOU XBOX360 SUCKERS, YOUR NEVER GONNA PLAY THIS CAUSE YOUR SYSTEM SUX! LOLOLOL", the guy expressed that the big storage and some depth of field technology helps make Uncharted 2 look as good as it does, and thus converting it to the 360 would require tweakage that might reduce it's looks, simply because the 360 doesn't use that technology. But again, they've never tried to make a 360 version so for all he and we know, a 360 tweaked version could look better in some other way.TheTygerfire said:
I call shenanigans, for two reasons:
The first thing is talking about how he uses up all of the space on the blu-ray disk. Simple answer there, dumbass: MULTIDISK. Once again, did people never play Oregon Trail?
The other thing is just saying how loading times are nonexistant: I doubt that highly. Besides, it's not like having load times is BAD: people are willing to wait a little to play their games.
All in all, it's just saying "Making this game on the 360 would require a bit of effort on our part" instead of "This is impossible, because the 360 sucks ass."
The first thing is talking about how he uses up all of the space on the blu-ray disk. Simple answer there, dumbass: MULTIDISK. Once again, did people never play Oregon Trail?
The other thing is just saying how loading times are nonexistant: I doubt that highly. Besides, it's not like having load times is BAD: people are willing to wait a little to play their games.
All in all, it's just saying "Making this game on the 360 would require a bit of effort on our part" instead of "This is impossible, because the 360 sucks ass."
So I guess the PS3 is the only console able to play certain games, while it is ALSO the only console that some developers say that the games are "too hard to program for"