Naughty Dog: Uncharted 2 'Impossible' On Xbox 360

[SinisterDeath]

True but it's run on the same hardware and the software they use are different, so age shouldn't really matter unless you look at individual progress, but that's just complicated to compare .

Its possible uncharted is optimized with duplicate data to decrease loading time, its possible. Its also possible that MGS4 was just that flipping Huge. Even when you beat the game and play it again, your still installing data.

But it should be noted. MGS4 did a nice little trick to 'compress data'. Its so genius, its... well ingenius.

See, most games have a 'texture' file, say 512x512 pixels for say, a face, Then they have one for the body/feet/guns/ect.

What the guys did for MGS4 was similar but oh so genius.

What they did was, in the case of the NPCs, snake, weapons ect. Was instead of making a 512x512 of an entire head. They took that face, cut it in half, and made a nice high res 512x512 of half a face.
That means, on the disk it can take up the same space as a 512x512, but renders at twice the resolution. Thats why the in-game cutscenes were just so freaking awesome. (not talking about the ingame cinematics... I believe there were only a few of those...)

I don't believe Uncharted 2 is THAT awesome looking, though its definately not all grays and browns, so its going to look 'different' in a good way.

 

[Antareus]

I call shenanigans, for two reasons:

The first thing is talking about how he uses up all of the space on the blu-ray disk. Simple answer there, dumbass: MULTIDISK. Once again, did people never play Oregon Trail?

The other thing is just saying how loading times are nonexistant: I doubt that highly. Besides, it's not like having load times is BAD: people are willing to wait a little to play their games.

All in all, it's just saying "Making this game on the 360 would require a bit of effort on our part" instead of "This is impossible, because the 360 sucks ass."

Well if the game is as short as the first one, multiple disks wouldn't be optimal at all(first was like 6 hours, imagine switching between 4 disks in that time).

The load time thing, well we will have to wait and see .

Agree with you on the last statement.

So I guess the PS3 is the only console able to play certain games, while it is ALSO the only console that some developers say that the games are "too hard to program for"

Not really hard just really different. But you're right they did say that, but that phase is over with now, for the most part.

 

[Bigeyez]

I'm sorry but the "oh we use all the space on blu-ray line is just bs". It's called compression and if that fails multiple discs. Not to mention that the most reason Blu-ray games use up so much space is because they simply copy/paste the same data over and over again on the disc. If games like Fallout 3 and Oblivion can be made to fit onto standard dvds Uncharted sure as hell can fit.

Why not just say the real reason it's not going to 360 is because it's a sony exclusive, period. Why put out a flamebait statement like this? Meh at people who waggle their digital ***** around.

 

[VZLANemesis]

If my 360 can handle Fallout 3, I'm fairly certain it can handle whatever this game is.

...mmmm fallout 3 and Oblivion pretty much look like ass compared to Uncharted. It's a really good game though I played it on my pc, but it's not something really amazing to look at, it's graphic engine is pretty old and its still looking nice and all, but it doesn't quite compare.

I'm not a fanboy, I'm mostly a PC player, but you gotta admit that uncharted looks like nothing else on the market, maybe a bit like a third person farcry (the first one). And its graphics still look top notch, the second one seems like a mostly improved sequal to the first, some moments seen in the trailers look awesome (in-game moments). The guy hanging from a falling building while a helicopter flies looking his way, that just screams E-P-I-C.
But I wonder if it will be enough to pull more sells on the new PS3 slim, because beside this game there aren't any new exclusives coming soon in the console.

 

[SinisterDeath]

I call shenanigans, for two reasons:

The first thing is talking about how he uses up all of the space on the blu-ray disk. Simple answer there, dumbass: MULTIDISK. Once again, did people never play Oregon Trail?

Making multi-disk games are actually more expensive then making 1 blu-ray disk. Each individual disk maybe cheap, but the master disk are what are truelly expensive, and your going to need 1 master disk for every disk in a game. If he' filled up a dual layer BDisk, thats 50GB. Thats roughly 6 disks. Less if they were to compress all that data, probably closer to say, 3 or 4 disks. And, 3 disks = hella expensive to make compared to 1 BD disk.

The other thing is just saying how loading times are nonexistant: I doubt that highly. Besides, it's not like having load times is BAD: people are willing to wait a little to play their games.

Its fairly easy with todays technology, it just depends on how the game is done.
Look at morrowind/oblivion. Asside for going in 'interriors' you can run from one side of the world to the other. Its able to do this, becuase it loads the data of the zones around you. And unloads the ones you've left. They could do this method, If the 'zones' are large enough.

They can also (and probably will) load content, while in cutscenes/cinematics. Which at this stage of the game, is stupid if they don't. So if you skip the cutscene (cause newbs do it) your probably gunna see a load time.

And people won't complain about load times? YOUR COMPLAING ABOUT NO LOAD TIMES!!! Of course peopel are gunna complain about em! They'll complain about anything.

All in all, it's just saying "Making this game on the 360 would require a bit of effort on our part" instead of "This is impossible, because the 360 sucks ass."

Yea, cause all those deveolopers saying 'it can't be done on the ps3' or 'its to hard for us to program on the ps3' are just non-existant... Yea, its not like microsoft hasn't paid people to tar and feather the ps3.. Nope. HOW DARE Sony try to counter-attack?! MY god! How can they? Who do they think they ARE!?

 

[Jumplion]

I call shenanigans, for two reasons:

The first thing is talking about how he uses up all of the space on the blu-ray disk. Simple answer there, dumbass: MULTIDISK. Once again, did people never play Oregon Trail?

The other thing is just saying how loading times are nonexistant: I doubt that highly. Besides, it's not like having load times is BAD: people are willing to wait a little to play their games.

All in all, it's just saying "Making this game on the 360 would require a bit of effort on our part" instead of "This is impossible, because the 360 sucks ass."

I think having multiple disks for a game like Uncharted, which is supposed to be one long epic adventure letting you go to exotic locations seamlessly, would be a bit out of place for it. It'd be very odd to have to "Put in Disc 3 to go to Artic Tundra!", and that only proves his point more that it can't go to the 360 without really downgrading it much.

There was very few and miniscule, if not a single loading time in the God of War series on the PS2 if you played through it start to finish non stop (only real loading time was starting up the game and saving your game). I don't think it's all that farfetched to have loadless game times.

And it took you 3 paragraphs to realize that he never said "This is impossible, because the 360 sucks ass"? ;P

 

[VZLANemesis]

Uncharted for me= Male tomb raider and Tomb Raider suck big fat cocksicles. Uncharted can eat me as far as i'm concerned

It mostly is a manly tomb raider, but with a lot more shooting, and really pretty graphics. Oh yeah, and its story is pretty awesome and fun, drake has a lot more character than Lara Croft (he doesn't have her sweet sweet ass though). The game plays a lot like an Indiana Jones movie, which is fun and entertaining.
You should play the demo and then decide, I didn't like tomb raider and I love this game.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Well it's no different to devs saying the PS3 is too complicated and expensive to do.

 

[Antareus]

True but it's run on the same hardware and the software they use are different, so age shouldn't really matter unless you look at individual progress, but that's just complicated to compare .

What they did was, in the case of the NPCs, snake, weapons ect. Was instead of making a 512x512 of an entire head. They took that face, cut it in half, and made a nice high res 512x512 of half a face.
That means, on the disk it can take up the same space as a 512x512, but renders at twice the resolution. Thats why the in-game cutscenes were just so freaking awesome. (not talking about the ingame cinematics... I believe there were only a few of those...)

I did not know about that, but that is pretty clever . Thanks for sharing .

 

[HassEsser]

Oh man, I love how all the 360 players are acting like they don't care, or don't want it, when they know its gonna be killer. Plus, Uncharted 2 is such a step up from Uncharted 1. Honestly, I didn't care for the first one, but the second looks just amazing.

If my 360 can handle Fallout 3, I'm fairly certain it can handle whatever this game is.

Wow, you really don't know what you're talking about, do you? Come back when your console can handle MGS4.

 

[Booze Zombie]

What?! OH NO-wait...

Who... cares?

Thank you, sir, you've made my day.

 

[Grand_Poohbah]

No one cares about Uncharted. 2

What?

Most people care. I think it will be awesome.

You are not most people my good man. Most people will not care. You will care.

You =/= Most People

 

[VZLANemesis]

Not that I'm an Xbox fanboy (actually, i'm a PC gamer primarily) and nor have I played Uncharted or know much about Uncharted 2. But I see absolutely no reason why this game has to be 25GB in size. It's not some massive RPG right? Just a good-looking third person adventure/action game. Take something like Oblivion, which on the PC can fit onto a single-layered DVD (4.35GB) and that is a huge game with tonnes of data. Yes, the high resolution textures and what-not have to be taken into account too, but from my layman's perspective I see no reason why this cannot fit onto a dual-layered DVD which the Xbox can read.

So I don't think it's the Xbox having limitations, it's just these guys doing crappy data compression.

Crysis looks better than this, fits onto one dual-layer DVD and has large open environments with meticulous detail. Crysis 2 is also being developed for both the PS3 and Xbox360 alongside the PC and also looks better than this... So whoever is quoted in the article is talking out of his or her inflated ass =p

Yes, It might be being developed for the ps3 and xbox as well, but you just know it won't look anywhere near as pretty as the PC version will look, textures will probably be used at much lower resolutions any sort of graphic filters that make the game look smooth and awesome will not be there, they must be toning it down an awful lot just to get money out of console owners (good for them, they should get some more recognizement than they have thus far, crytech is an awesome dev), but yeah, the first one got ignored by a lot of people because their pc's just wouldn't run it smoothly on "high" and wouldn't run at all on "very high", but the gameplay was awesome and even in medium it looked better than most fps's of its time.

My point being... IF they did a PC-like version for the consoles, it would probably not work on either one of them like its supposed to, because of the low ram and low processing capacities of both consoles compared to a decent PC.
(not to mention that a dual layered DVD wouldn't suffice for fully detailed uncompressed textures)

 

[Sparrow]

Oh man, I love how all the 360 players are acting like they don't care, or don't want it, when they know its gonna be killer. Plus, Uncharted 2 is such a step up from Uncharted 1. Honestly, I didn't care for the first one, but the second looks just amazing.

If my 360 can handle Fallout 3, I'm fairly certain it can handle whatever this game is.

Wow, you really don't know what you're talking about, do you? Come back when your console can handle MGS4.

Go home you damn fanboy.

Seriously, have the Microsoft fanboys switched with the Sony ones? All the Microsoft ones are becoming level headed and well natured, whilst the PS3 ones are turning into pricks!

It's the coming of the first horseman, folks.

 

[Jumplion]

No one cares about Uncharted. 2

What?

Most people care. I think it will be awesome.

You are not most people my good man. Most people will not care. You will care.

You =/= Most People

And You and "The Bandit" =/= Most people either.

Personally, I'm looking forward to Uncharted 2 myself. Plenty of other people are, not "most" people whatever the hell that means, but many people are excited for Uncharted 2. If you don't care about it, fine, though that just seems to me that you've never been interested in the games in the first place. And if you're not interested in them in the first place, then what are you doing posting in a thread about it?

 

[VZLANemesis]

The most realistic graphics in the world can't fix the problem of crappy level design or other game flaws.

Which wasn't a problem in the first game, and shouldn't be for the second one either
:S

It's not possible on Xbox, nor is it wanted there.

Really, not wanted? that's your argument?
How could anybody not want a good looking fun game...

The absurdity of 360's fanboys knows no limit.

 

[HassEsser]

Oh man, I love how all the 360 players are acting like they don't care, or don't want it, when they know its gonna be killer. Plus, Uncharted 2 is such a step up from Uncharted 1. Honestly, I didn't care for the first one, but the second looks just amazing.

If my 360 can handle Fallout 3, I'm fairly certain it can handle whatever this game is.

Wow, you really don't know what you're talking about, do you? Come back when your console can handle MGS4.

Go home you damn fanboy.

Seriously, have the Microsoft fanboys switched with the Sony ones? All the Microsoft ones are becoming level headed and well natured, whilst the PS3 ones are turning into pricks!

It's the coming of the first horseman, folks.

Excuse me? No, that is not the case. Have you ever considered the people that predominantly play either console? I certainly have. And you have it mixed up.
360 users (as I prefer to call them), are thick heads, who don't have a clue what they are talking about. PS3 users, know exactly why they got a PS3. And stick to it.
Things haven't changed, and the only way they would, is if all the 360 users bought a PS3. But then again, they think they are right, so they probably won't, which instantly nullifies your argument.

Btw, if I were to consider myself a "fanboy" to anything, it's the PC. Nothing can beat the PC. End of question.

 

[Sparrow]

Oh man, I love how all the 360 players are acting like they don't care, or don't want it, when they know its gonna be killer. Plus, Uncharted 2 is such a step up from Uncharted 1. Honestly, I didn't care for the first one, but the second looks just amazing.

If my 360 can handle Fallout 3, I'm fairly certain it can handle whatever this game is.

Wow, you really don't know what you're talking about, do you? Come back when your console can handle MGS4.

Go home you damn fanboy.

Seriously, have the Microsoft fanboys switched with the Sony ones? All the Microsoft ones are becoming level headed and well natured, whilst the PS3 ones are turning into pricks!

It's the coming of the first horseman, folks.

Excuse me? No, that is not the case. Have you ever considered the people that predominantly play either console? I certainly have. And you have it mixed up.
360 users (as I prefer to call them), are thick heads, who don't have a clue what they are talking about. PS3 users, know exactly why they got a PS3. And stick to it.
Things haven't changed, and the only way they would, is if all the 360 users bought a PS3. But then again, they think they are right, so they probably won't, which instantly nullifies your argument.

Btw, if I were to consider myself a "fanboy" to anything, it's the PC. Nothing can beat the PC. End of question.

That's your opinions.

It's wrong.

But either way, it's still your opinion. I am fanboy of nothing!

[small]Well, alright. Maybe I'm a fan of the GBA, but shush.[/small]

Either way, nobodies opinions are right. That's why they're opinions. If they were right, we'd call them "facts" instead.

 

[Arbitrary Cidin]

It's not possible on Xbox, nor is it wanted there.

Really, not wanted? that's your argument?
How could anybody not want a good looking fun game...

The absurdity of 360's fanboys knows no limit.

Everybody loves good looking fun games. What does that have to do Uncharted 2?

 

[VZLANemesis]

Oh man, I love how all the 360 players are acting like they don't care, or don't want it, when they know its gonna be killer. Plus, Uncharted 2 is such a step up from Uncharted 1. Honestly, I didn't care for the first one, but the second looks just amazing.

If my 360 can handle Fallout 3, I'm fairly certain it can handle whatever this game is.

Wow, you really don't know what you're talking about, do you? Come back when your console can handle MGS4.

Go home you damn fanboy.

Seriously, have the Microsoft fanboys switched with the Sony ones? All the Microsoft ones are becoming level headed and well natured, whilst the PS3 ones are turning into pricks!

It's the coming of the first horseman, folks.

Excuse me? No, that is not the case. Have you ever considered the people that predominantly play either console? I certainly have. And you have it mixed up.
360 users (as I prefer to call them), are thick heads, who don't have a clue what they are talking about. PS3 users, know exactly why they got a PS3. And stick to it.
Things haven't changed, and the only way they would, is if all the 360 users bought a PS3. But then again, they think they are right, so they probably won't, which instantly nullifies your argument.

Btw, if I were to consider myself a "fanboy" to anything, it's the PC. Nothing can beat the PC. End of question.

That's your opinions.

It's wrong.

But either way, it's still your opinion. I am fanboy of nothing!

[small]Well, alright. Maybe I'm a fan of the GBA, but shush.[/small]

Either way, nobodies opinions are right. That's why they're opinions. If they were right, we'd call them "facts" instead.

You're actually trying to say that a console IS more powerful than a PC? are you fucking serious?