New Documentary - Tracking Down the Origin of Wuhan Coronavirus
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No, NO NO NO NO NO mother fucken NO. The chinese know how a clean room environment works. If you want to start making shit up then you need some good damn sources, cause right now it just looks like you are spreading deliberate misinformation.
I don't care about a flick made by Race Essence(TM) worshippers like the Falun Gong, all I know is that this virus is Mao's final revenge against the Dengist scum that decided to keep those two stars on the flag instead of firing them at Taiwan where they belong, next to the limp corpse of the Kuomingtang. The Cultural Revolution did away with wet markets but nooooooooo, we got to have our 'traditional' bourgeois commodities don't we? Almost as disgusting as that Boba shit that everyone laps up to simulate the moist cysts of capital moving across social relations, except here its down their throat as a pathetic imitation of testicular might.
Yes, apparently. Social Justice Warriors who think its """"racism""""". See they retroactively say their viral labs researching the exact global viral outbreak in the exact same city the viral outbreak occurred is entirely a coincidence, because...because.
I mean this is China. The nation whose stringent and extreme safety measures allowed for lead in dog food and toothpaste and even now has been sending out faulty testing kits and masks but hey, that's a fluke! Its not like China is internationally known for shoddy business practices, poor production standards and terrible safety standards, all for a cheap price.
Next you'll be telling me Russia is lying about their infected numbers! But that can't be! since when has Putin been anything less than a honest, lovable teddy-bear man?
The evidence that the virus came from the lab or an animal from the Wuhan market are both as circumstantial is each other because China has such a lockdown on information about it. Any claim of where the virus came from is based on circumstantial evidence at this point.
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You do realize that
- that is an opinion piece
- that the only link in that piece is to this page https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/28/what-you-need-know-about-coronavirus/?arc404=true which is a standard faq page on the pandemic that doesn't mention origins.
- The piece itself even says there is no proof it came from a lab.
Threatened pandemics and laboratory escapes: Self-fulfilling prophecies
The risk of a manmade pandemic sparked by a laboratory escape is not hypothetical: Many laboratory escapes of high-consequence pathogens have occurred. Ironically, these laboratories were working with pathogens to prevent the very outbreaks they ultimately caused.
thebulletin.org
Also, have some fact checking
The Origins and Scientific Failings of the COVID-19 'Bioweapon' Conspiracy Theory
The coronavirus responsible for COVID-19 has deadly adaptations that make it perfect for infecting humans. But this is a testament to natural selection, not bioengineering.
www.snopes.com
The piece includes factual data that safety was shown to not be on the up and up prior to the virus outbreak. As I said, there is no proof that the virus came from the lab or came from the market, both are circumstantial. China is not letting anyone get said proof, that is the problem. Also, the virus possibly coming from the lab doesn't not mean it's bioengineered, which is another whole can of worms on its own.
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Except that the embassy that did call out the Wuhan lab for not having as stringent safety procedures as it should also emphasis that there was no proof it originated from the lab.
You're not giving the 'circumstantial' evidence enough credit. The circumstance is that a Wuhan based virology lab, that for years at this point was known for its poor safety standards, was experimenting with the bat based Cornovirus.
and that there was a Wuhan based coronovirus outbreak. That's a hell of a circumstance. You make it sound as if the virus could have just as easily started in Kansas City, and that the virology lab is just a coincidence
You asked for proof against the safety of the lab, which I provided. There isn't any proof confirming it came from the lab, there also isn't any proof confirming it came from the market either.
I said in my 1st post here that I feel there's more pointing to the lab than the market at this point. This isn't just from the documentary posted, Indian and Australian news is on top of this as well. China's not letting anyone in to gather information so it's all circumstantial at this point.
Ah, the joys of what a bad night's sleep does to gripey typed messages on the internet -.-
I am a regrettable poster boy for anti-CCP sentiment, my family being Hong Kongese on one side and Taiwanese on the other, and admittedly, I got fed enough anti-CCP rhetoric as a kid I know better than to raise such issues with the old man, but I've come to that point in my life where I genuinely cannot view them with anything except distrust, disdain and contempt. Consequently, while I like to think that I'm mostly rational, and that scientific research facilities that handle matters of such magnitude because to even such a face orientated society as China they have nothing to gain by being negligent and everything to lose by being negligent and this line of thought being, plainly, sensible, that old niggling voice at the back of my head hisses "but the CCP's involved, don't care how directly or indirectly, there's bound to be some bullshittery going on" irrespective of what the actual consequences of said bullshittery may, in reality, be. However much (strong irony ahead) I accuse the EMG of being rabid in their views towards the CCP, I hope I have enough self-awareness to realise I'm guilty of being nearly just as rabid, too, given enough riling.
But anyway, I'm not prone to conspiracy theories, however much that post pretty much smacks of it. Still, it was intended as little more than broad distrust for Chinese officialdom and institutions. And in the event it comes over as somewhat irrational ranting, I'll extend apologies, regards and a civil adieu, as I don't think I'll be able to add anything productive to this thread in any particularly measured fashion, and let's face it, I don't believe you do, either.
I'm not Asian, but I grew up in schools with as many Asian kids as white kids (after I went to college, the demographics in those schools shifted to more Asian kids than whites). Full mixture as well, several Taiwanese and Chinese, some Korean, a few Filipinos, and south Asians as well, Indians and Pakistanis. #1 way to start a fight? Bring up the question of Taiwanese independence with Taiwanese and Chinese in the room.
Your post simply brought into my mind what kind of fights would be happening about Chinese culpability in the propagation of the virus in the ol' schoolyard. It's just as well that schools are out, for that reason among the rest.
Let's be honest, Mao made a lot of poor decisions when he was alive and while I'm not gonna say that excuses the Chinese Ruling Party from starting to restore capitalism before his body was even cold, there is a point to be made that he failed to build up a state and a party strong enough to support the construction of communism in the long term.
Don't get me wrong, I believe Deng, Gorbatchow, Reagan and Thatcher were the Four Horseman of the Apocalypse for the global left but at least two of those came from socialist nations.
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Let me put it this way. What do you gain if it does turn out that it was lax lab security that cause it? Nothing, all you get is more anti-Asian fuel for racist idiots. I mean you can't even sue them for causing this if it is indeed true since they are a sovereign power. All it would do would increase hate crimes against Asian people since racists generally can't tell the difference.
We're still doing this? Really?
We don't need to pretend that China caused the problem. If you want to criticise China in relation to Covid, you've got all sorts of criticisms you can make about their response to it and you don't have to lie. Hell, if you just want to bash China, you don't need to mention Covid at all, there's lots of angry sentences with words like "democracy" "human rights" or "racism" in them you can come up with. Sure, a lot of them might apply to your own country, but you can find one or two that don't and run with those.
Endless annoying that people have to spout absurd conspiracy theories when reality has everything you need.
We don't need to pretend that China caused the problem. If you want to criticise China in relation to Covid, you've got all sorts of criticisms you can make about their response to it and you don't have to lie. Hell, if you just want to bash China, you don't need to mention Covid at all, there's lots of angry sentences with words like "democracy" "human rights" or "racism" in them you can come up with. Sure, a lot of them might apply to your own country, but you can find one or two that don't and run with those.
Endless annoying that people have to spout absurd conspiracy theories when reality has everything you need.
Honesty is not something Dengists understand, since the only lesson they learned from the Cultural Revolution was the false lesson of not purging every single landlord Red Guard who thought himself commissar, and the state is not the vehicle of communism if you'd have read The Civil War in France. Khruschev, even the Bernsteinian he was, was the last even remotely left leader in the soviet union, Brehznev, Andropov, Chernenko and Gorbachev are scum who will rot in the deepest parts of hell for their revisionism. The USSR and China, respectively, in the post-revolutionary era and post-Mao were not even remotely socialist, state capitalist at best (if you're a Trotskyist) and imperio-capitalist at worst (if you're not a Trotskyist). The whole notion of a 'socialist nation' is a fundamental misreading of Lenin, and consequently a misreading of Marx, both of which have been bastardised into the imperialist party line pushed forward by the Comintern and championed by their bureaucratic cronies.
Pretty sure anyone who thinks the T Virus could have started anywhere are the ones who believe in conspiracy theories. That sounds exactly ike what the Chinese government wants you to think.
EDIT: Actually yeah it is what the Chinese government wants you to think
Russia and China promote coronavirus ‘conspiracy narratives’ online, says EU agency
Disinformation can have a ‘direct impact on public health and security,’ says report from European External Action Service.
www.politico.eu
So a Wuhan based virology center in 2017 announced it had crossed SARS with a horseshoe bat based Coronavirus to make one infect-able to humans.
In 2018 cables are sent to the US government that this self-same Virology center has very poor security and health standards
2019 a Coronavirus that can infect humans starts to infect people in Wuhan.
China bans all investigations into the origins of the viral outbreak.
China lies about their infected and death rates, and is now trying to run a state-run social media campaign to muddy the waters of where the virus came from.
The true conspiracy theorist is the one who thinks none of this is related, its all a massive coincidence.
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I recall a news piece earlier in the year that split the difference on this. What allegedly happened was that the...governor of Wuhan found out about the COVID-19 outbreak and he panicked and covered it up for like three weeks with a botched attempt at containment and then Central Party in Beijing found out. Probably safe to say he went into a room and didn’t come out. If its true and not just scapegoating of course.
RE: lab accident or natural, this would hardly be the first time a highly dangerous pathogen leaked from a supposedly high-security laboratory in a communist nation. In 1971, a minor smallpox outbreak sickened ten (and killed three) in the vicinity of Vozrozhdeniya Island after a test accident. 1979, about a hundred people in Sverdlovsk died of exposure to weaponized anthrax released from a facility producing spores for a particularly terrifying Biopreparat program.