New Suicide Squad trailer - Much funny, such Batman, wow.

[minkus_draconus]

I'm guessing the Joker is going to die, just because that would be consistent with WB's decisions for the DCEU.

"They killed Joker!" "You bastards!"

 

[Lightknight]

As for Harley herself, sexing her up just feels... wrong. She's a clown first and foremost, even the comic you posted had that on the front, but the movie design seems to be more... I don't know, the collar, the torn shirt, the panty-pants, you notice all that before the clown motif, so it puts the sexiness up front. That makes sense for Poison Ivy or Catwoman, but that wasn't why Harley Quinn got so popular

Actually, this is pretty typical for Quinn. If you haven't known her to be all gussied up and sexy then you haven't been keeping up with her at all.

Even in her unitard they had a habit of making her look particularly perky.

Try this, type in Harley Quinn and select pictures. You'll see a ton of sexy-costumed actual comic book scenes with her for the past decade+

You can find pictures of a clown in less clothes than she started with, but nothing close to the Whoreley Quinn that we're being presented with here.

I mean, I didn't want to find and paste links because I'm at work. But here you go:

This is from the suicide squad comic book. The source material for the movie.

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/image/upload/c_limit,h_405,w_819/t_mp_quality/new-suicide-squad-harley-quinn-featured-check-out-how-much-harley-quinn-s-costume-has-changed-over-years-of-comics-tv-shows-video-games-png-276119.jpg

That's from an article discussing the evolution of her costume. You'll note that it's really only back when she was Dr. Quinzel that she wasn't sexualized:

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2722003

Even her first phase with that full body black and red costume you'll see what I mean by "perky".

Here's something official about her from 2013 when they were announcing her own monthly series:
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/articles/new-harley-quinn-series-announced/1100-146873/

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/39001/3177547-hq.jpg

If you honestly believe that the movie is doing something out of character, you don't know anything about this character's development.

Frankly, the T-shirt is more than what they could have done and stayed in character. The pictures you produced above were just the campy child versions of the team. Not the darker more realistic versions like the movie is portraying.

You're simply wrong here and that's okay. We're all a little under educated on something. Even things we may be passionate about. I too found it bizarre when I realized how sexy they were making her.

 

[TravelerSF]

As for Harley herself, sexing her up just feels... wrong. She's a clown first and foremost, even the comic you posted had that on the front, but the movie design seems to be more... I don't know, the collar, the torn shirt, the panty-pants, you notice all that before the clown motif, so it puts the sexiness up front. That makes sense for Poison Ivy or Catwoman, but that wasn't why Harley Quinn got so popular

Actually, this is pretty typical for Quinn. If you haven't known her to be all gussied up and sexy then you haven't been keeping up with her at all.

Even in her unitard they had a habit of making her look particularly perky.

Try this, type in Harley Quinn and select pictures. You'll see a ton of sexy-costumed actual comic book scenes with her for the past decade+

I do admit that my knowledge of her is limited, I mostly know her from Batman TAS, Arkham Games and a few other sources. I don't mind her being sexy, even in her classic costume she managed to have quite the sex appeal. It's just that, and this is just my opinion, the sexiness usually comes second to the whole clown thing, but with the Suicide Squad costume the clown motif seems like an afterthought and the sex appeal the main focus.

 

[mduncan50]

As for Harley herself, sexing her up just feels... wrong. She's a clown first and foremost, even the comic you posted had that on the front, but the movie design seems to be more... I don't know, the collar, the torn shirt, the panty-pants, you notice all that before the clown motif, so it puts the sexiness up front. That makes sense for Poison Ivy or Catwoman, but that wasn't why Harley Quinn got so popular

Actually, this is pretty typical for Quinn. If you haven't known her to be all gussied up and sexy then you haven't been keeping up with her at all.

Even in her unitard they had a habit of making her look particularly perky.

Try this, type in Harley Quinn and select pictures. You'll see a ton of sexy-costumed actual comic book scenes with her for the past decade+

You can find pictures of a clown in less clothes than she started with, but nothing close to the Whoreley Quinn that we're being presented with here.

I mean, I didn't want to find and paste links because I'm at work. But here you go:

This is from the suicide squad comic book. The source material for the movie.

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/image/upload/c_limit,h_405,w_819/t_mp_quality/new-suicide-squad-harley-quinn-featured-check-out-how-much-harley-quinn-s-costume-has-changed-over-years-of-comics-tv-shows-video-games-png-276119.jpg

That's from an article discussing the evolution of her costume. You'll note that it's really only back when she was Dr. Quinzel that she wasn't sexualized:

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2722003

Even her first phase with that full body black and red costume you'll see what I mean by "perky".

Here's something official about her from 2013 when they were announcing her own monthly series:
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/articles/new-harley-quinn-series-announced/1100-146873/

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/39001/3177547-hq.jpg

If you honestly believe that the movie is doing something out of character, you don't know anything about this character's development.

Frankly, the T-shirt is more than what they could have done and stayed in character. The pictures you produced above were just the campy child versions of the team. Not the darker more realistic versions like the movie is portraying.

You're simply wrong here and that's okay. We're all a little under educated on something. Even things we may be passionate about. I too found it bizarre when I realized how sexy they were making her.

Wow, that wasn't arrogantly condescending at all. No I wasn't talking New 52, because that reboot is a joke that fucked up so many characters, Harley among them, and none of that matters because of course DC reboots everything every few years anyways. Here she is after last year's Convergence reboot event.

I'm well aware that characters are going to change over time, for better or worse based on the people writing and drawing the stories. And I have no doubt that someone will, if they haven't already, start making her outfits skimpier and skimpier again, because lets face it, that's what sells when you have nothing else to contribute to a female character.

That being said, other than the name, there is absolutely nothing about the Harley Quinn of the movie that I see as similar to the comic character. She's not psycho crazy, she's co-ed "Ooh, I just had half of a wine cooler, and I am so kookie cray cray" crazy. Hell, she doesn't even look like a harlequin.

 

[mduncan50]

Isn't Harley supposed to have a Brooklyn accent?

Option A: Let Margot Robbie act with a voice she's comfortable with.
Option B: Tell Margot Robbie to do a stereotypical, and obviously fake Brooklyn accent.

*Imagines Batman with Affleck's natural Boston accent.*

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

If you honestly believe that the movie is doing something out of character, you don't know anything about this character's development.

Frankly, the T-shirt is more than what they could have done and stayed in character. The pictures you produced above were just the campy child versions of the team. Not the darker more realistic versions like the movie is portraying.

To be fair, just because there's a precedent for something doesn't make it right. The inmates running the asylum [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RunningTheAsylum] at DC have struggled to make Harley relevant for years, they've just never been able to write her as well as she was in BTAS. Same goes for characters like Mr. Freeze, oh god what they've done to poor mr. freeze. As great as comic book properties and stories are, the actual books are...lacking.. Harley Quinn deserves better regardless of what the bumbling heads at DC are doing to her in their books.

And as for 'child versions', I hate to break it to you, but while I don't like those costume designs, those characters are from the BTAS, JL and JLU era of cartoons, which tbh were decidedly more mature [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOooJW5SSDA&nohtml5=False] in their story telling than DC's current "What a 10 year old thinks mature is"

God damn it, I came in here to make fun of WB/DC/BvS/SS, not cry.

 

[Kyman102]

And as for 'child versions', I hate to break it to you, but while I don't like those costume designs, those characters are from the BTAS, JL and JLU era of cartoons, which tbh were decidedly more mature [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOooJW5SSDA&nohtml5=False] in their story telling than DC's current "What a 10 year old thinks mature is"

Oh dammit, I wish this forum had a Thank or Like system for posts. Thanks, man. I was feeling bitter towards Batman recently, but... THIS reminds me which Batman is my personal Batman.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

I stopped watching about half way through. Prediction: It will bomb, almost as bad as Batman vs Superman.

 

[IOwnTheSpire]

I stopped watching about half way through. Prediction: It will bomb, almost as bad as Batman vs Superman.

BvS didn't bomb.

 

[DefunctTheory]

I stopped watching about half way through. Prediction: It will bomb, almost as bad as Batman vs Superman.

BvS didn't bomb.

Arguable.

They started off talking about 1 billion plus, and are now hoping for 900 million. Reportedly, the movie needed to make 700-800 million to break even. That's not a very good profit margin, especially since, as a franchise maker, this movie was supposed to set up the potential success for the follow up movies. What it's really done is show that DC may not be able to pull down the ticket sales it needs to sell 'lesser' movies like Wonder Woman (If you can't sell Batman and Superman together, I question whether you could sell water to a man dying of thirst), and worse, they've poisoned the well for later movies by completely dropping the ball (For most people). I know they've lost all my money, and I'd wager I'm not the only one with that opinion.

And really, Dawn of Justice is doing terribly. On weekend 3, it's already down to The Avenger's week 5 numbers. It got beat by this movie this weekend.

For fucks sake. Zootopia stayed in first place longer then Dawn has. And for funsies, while Dawn of Justice has already beaten Deadpool overall, numbers wise (Except, undoubtedly, for actual profit), there's a real danger that when Dawn finally leaves theaters, Deadpool will have beaten it domestically.

Seriously. DC brought Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman to a comic book movie fight, and they're losing in the United States to a giant tumor who got pegged on International Women's Day.

 

[mduncan50]

I stopped watching about half way through. Prediction: It will bomb, almost as bad as Batman vs Superman.

BvS didn't bomb.

Bombed critically, still hasn't started turning a profit financially. WB is mulling over releasing the R cut to theaters to try to salvage the situation. You are correct that it is not technically a bomb, it is nowhere near a success. Maybe a better choice would be to call it a flop.

God damn it, I came in here to make fun of WB/DC/BvS/SS, not cry.

No need to cry my friend. Despite WB best "efforts" to destroy our childhoods, all of the episodes of those animated series are still out there to entertain you. If you want to really stick that middle finger out at them I suggest binging some Batman: The Brave and the Bold on Netflix, which is basically a team-up mix of the Animated Series and Silver Age fun. Criminally underappreciated in my opinion.

 

[DefunctTheory]

God damn it, I came in here to make fun of WB/DC/BvS/SS, not cry.

No need to cry my friend. Despite WB best "efforts" to destroy our childhoods, all of the episodes of those animated series are still out there to entertain you. If you want to really stick that middle finger out at them I suggest binging some Batman: The Brave and the Bold on Netflix, which is basically a team-up mix of the Animated Series and Silver Age fun. Criminally underappreciated in my opinion.

Oh, I know. Justice League/JL: Unlimited on Netflix are exactly what I watched after Dawn of Justice kicked me in the balls and ruined my day. Watched it just to remind me that not all DC stuff is trash.

It's just... well, it's a tender episode. Really gets me in the feels, every single time.

Luckily, I have Aquaman to cheer me up.

Spoiler

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

BvS didn't bomb.

It is still 200million shy of it's projected goal, second weekend saw a 60% drop in sales over opening weekend, and it's score is at 28% Yeah, it bombed.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

BvS didn't bomb.

It is still 200million shy of it's projected goal, second weekend saw a 60% drop in sales over opening weekend, and it's score is at 28% Yeah, it bombed.

The critic reviews fell again? I mean the audience review just went into the 60s, but I thought the critic reviews couldn't go lower.

 

[RedDeadFred]

I think the reason the jokes in the MCU tend to work fairly well isn't because they're particularly good (seriously, they're about on par with what I saw in this trailer barring a few notable exceptions), it's because they're delivered well. Maybe it's just the because they're being crammed into a trailer, but I don't think the delivery is working that well.

Still, it looks decent. Looks better than BvS, but that's not too hard.

 

[mduncan50]

BvS didn't bomb.

It is still 200million shy of it's projected goal, second weekend saw a 60% drop in sales over opening weekend, and it's score is at 28% Yeah, it bombed.

The critic reviews fell again? I mean the audience review just went into the 60s, but I thought the critic reviews couldn't go lower.

What I find even sadder is that within hours of allowing audience reviews on Rotten Tomatoes (and days before the movie was released) there was over 100,000 reviews with an average score of 9.7. Now it's dropped to 6.9 without even doubling the amount of reviews. I don't feel like mathing, but I'm pretty sure that means the "real" audience score is pretty darn bad. But of course it's a "big conspiracy" that the critics' scores are so low.

 

[DefunctTheory]

BvS didn't bomb.

It is still 200million shy of it's projected goal, second weekend saw a 60% drop in sales over opening weekend, and it's score is at 28% Yeah, it bombed.

The critic reviews fell again? I mean the audience review just went into the 60s, but I thought the critic reviews couldn't go lower.

What I find even sadder is that within hours of allowing audience reviews on Rotten Tomatoes (and days before the movie was released) there was over 100,000 reviews with an average score of 9.7. Now it's dropped to 6.9 without even doubling the amount of reviews. I don't feel like mathing, but I'm pretty sure that means the "real" audience score is pretty darn bad. But of course it's a "big conspiracy" that the critics' scores are so low.

Well...

Votes x Percentage = Total 'Points'

100,000 x 97 = 9,700,000
197,018 x 69 = 13,594,242

197,018 current votes - 100,000 vote benchmark = 97,018 votes since 97% approval rating
13,594,242 current points - 9,700,000 point benchmark = 3,894,242 points since 97% approval rating

3,894,242 points / 97,018 votes = 40.1 points per vote

So since the votes got 'honest,' the average score has been 40.1%, or barely above 2/5 stars.

That's pretty bad.

 

[FPLOON]

I was hyped before... I was hyped again... And I'm hyped once more...
http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/stop_penis_erect_archer.gif

Other than that, who invited Man-Bat? And why are people confuse him for Batman?

 

[mduncan50]

BvS didn't bomb.

It is still 200million shy of it's projected goal, second weekend saw a 60% drop in sales over opening weekend, and it's score is at 28% Yeah, it bombed.

The critic reviews fell again? I mean the audience review just went into the 60s, but I thought the critic reviews couldn't go lower.

What I find even sadder is that within hours of allowing audience reviews on Rotten Tomatoes (and days before the movie was released) there was over 100,000 reviews with an average score of 9.7. Now it's dropped to 6.9 without even doubling the amount of reviews. I don't feel like mathing, but I'm pretty sure that means the "real" audience score is pretty darn bad. But of course it's a "big conspiracy" that the critics' scores are so low.

Well...

Votes x Percentage = Total 'Points'

100,000 x 97 = 9,700,000
197,018 x 69 = 13,594,242

197,018 current votes - 100,000 vote benchmark = 97,018 votes since 97% approval rating
13,594,242 current points - 9,700,000 point benchmark = 3,894,242 points since 97% approval rating

3,894,242 points / 97,018 votes = 40.1 points per vote

So since the votes got 'honest,' the average score has been 40.1%, or barely above 2/5 stars.

That's pretty bad.

Well now my head just hurts. Not sure if it's from following your math or because of how sad the result is.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

BvS didn't bomb.

It is still 200million shy of it's projected goal, second weekend saw a 60% drop in sales over opening weekend, and it's score is at 28% Yeah, it bombed.

The critic reviews fell again? I mean the audience review just went into the 60s, but I thought the critic reviews couldn't go lower.

What I find even sadder is that within hours of allowing audience reviews on Rotten Tomatoes (and days before the movie was released) there was over 100,000 reviews with an average score of 9.7. Now it's dropped to 6.9 without even doubling the amount of reviews. I don't feel like mathing, but I'm pretty sure that means the "real" audience score is pretty darn bad. But of course it's a "big conspiracy" that the critics' scores are so low.

Well...

Votes x Percentage = Total 'Points'

100,000 x 97 = 9,700,000
197,018 x 69 = 13,594,242

197,018 current votes - 100,000 vote benchmark = 97,018 votes since 97% approval rating
13,594,242 current points - 9,700,000 point benchmark = 3,894,242 points since 97% approval rating

3,894,242 points / 97,018 votes = 40.1 points per vote

So since the votes got 'honest,' the average score has been 40.1%, or barely above 2/5 stars.

That's pretty bad.

Well now my head just hurts. Not sure if it's from following your math or because of how sad the result is.

Probably the math. My presentation was miserable.

I was that guy who always had a few points knocked off my math test scores because we had to show our work, and even when I got the answer right, how I got there was incomprehensible on paper.

My apologies.