No Dedicated Servers for Modern Warfare 2 PC, Fans Freak Out

[shadow skill]

Obviously, SilentHunter7, Im reading an entirely different thread than you are.

Perhaps you are. I didn't see anyone there say MM in addition to a server browser and dedicated servers was a bad idea.

All I see there is rage they they removed server browsing.

Which I think is reasonable. I don't think Console owners would be pleased with IW if they said they're getting rid of matchmaking, and replacing it with Wii Friend Codes.

first off, replacing matchmaking with friend codes is not equal to replacing server browsers and dedicated servers with match making, as you can still play with random people on both dedicated servers and matchmaking, now had IW replaced matchmaking with dedicated servers for consoles, would there still be the same reaction?

Im guessing no, was there a big fuss about CoD 4 having dedicated servers, while consoles didnt? no, Did console players get mad and try to petition IW to add Dedicated servers to the consoles? no.

You know, I hope they add cross-platform multiplayer for the pc-360, just so I can hear all the fanboys whining about how IW ruined Modern Warfare, after all, its plausible now that they use the same match search.

Most of the people who bought the game on consoles probably had no idea what COD 4 could do on a PC! It still sucked that they did not have it because the game could turn into a lag fest real fast.

Most people probably do not even realize that games tend to have multiple presets and stick to the defaults. Does that mean that there are not a great many people who would change their controls to suit them if they knew they could? For a long time I did not know that Southpaw existed as a configuration for shooters on consoles so I never played them. Then I got Black for the PS2 and setup Southpaw without even knowing it. Now I look for that and full button mapping in shooters otherwise I do not buy the game. Or I get the PC version where I know I can set my buttons as I please.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I have to be honest this is pretty stupid so what if it takes a couple of minutes to explain something big deal. I don't see what is so complicated of the PC way of doing things as I find consoles too restrictive.

SOMEONE CORREWCT ME ON THIS IF I AM WRONG but I am assuming that if there are no dedicated servers and IW makes it more like consoles that means I will not be able to find what map and gametype I want when I want it.
As when I played Cod WaW on Xbox they didn't have HC HQ and loads of other shite like that.
I like my 64 TDM on Shipment only sometimes and I won't get this if this happens.

WHY????????????????

And now to do as only gamers can do(also cause I have nothing better to do to) TO THE PETITION!

 

[Wakefield]

I PC game quit a bit, although I am not getting this game on the PC when I heard about this mess I was deeply outraged. The main reason I usually stick to PC gaming is the user created content. It keeps games fresh even years after they've been released.

Thanks Infinity Ward for being a massive pile of jerks.

 

[Pigletdude]

No I'm not feeling like I'm in a "little special club of special kids", I genuinely bloody prefer dedicated servers, after playing the likes of DoW 2 mess of a matchmaking and all those games with quickmatches which screw me over.
I'm just more inclined to the manual, "do it yourself" ethos, accessible is one thing, but taking away choice is another thing I'm not loving, if we can have dedicated servers, but the devs can't be arsed to change one friggin thing for the PC port then I deserve to be pissed off.

so........the PC version deserves to be better than the 360 and ps3 versions, right, after they said they are treating MW2 as an equal on all platforms, the pc version obviously needs to have something the other ones dont.

am I hitting the point here? if not I could go on.....

Im tired of the PC gamers "awww, you play on a console? how cute." mentality, I play console games because I dotn feel like optimizing my computer to get a viable frame-rate, I play consoles simply because jumping into a server on most PC games results in you getting booted because you are not a regular player there, therefor don't have a right to be there. Modern Warfare for the consoles runs possibly better than the PC version for one simple reason, you get everything you need with it. Sure you might not get modded servers, but playing "cops and robbers" gets old, fast. Also, if PC's are better, then why is a big fuss being made about dropping dedicated servers? I mean, the console versions never had them, and look how well they do.

only reasoning I can think of is that their internet connections suck, in that case: console > pc.

The reasoning I SEE, is that it was enabled in the first game so there is little or no reason not to include it in the second.

Oh and matey, Xbox live and PSN both run off the "internets", ya know ? Coz they also run off your modem/ wireless adapter, sorry but that ignorance pisses me off.

 

[Chaos Marine]

In my opinion, the author of this article is talking out his ass.

The best servers are dedicated servers as they usually have high grade download and upload speeds that are in excess of what most gamers can generally afford.

Second of all, dedicated servers are as far from clunky as you can imagine and the sheer stupdity of the author's comments to the contrary actually induced a massive, furious temper from me.

How can simply clicking the column you want your games sorted by be considered clunky? Want a particular map? Click the map listing header, want a well populated or low populated server? Guess what you do? It involves one or two clicks.

Petition signed.

 

[silverbullet1989]

so let me get this streight... they up the price of the pc version, they remove maps from it to be released at a later date to the xbox first as dlc (i cudnt care less what has been said) and then they remove dedi servers from the pc fan base, well bloody done IW.... im sorry but i would love to know the total idiot who came into the office that day and said "hey guys i have a wounderful idea, lets p*** off all our pc fan base"

 

[SilentHunter7]

first off, replacing matchmaking with friend codes is not equal to replacing server browsers and dedicated servers with match making, as you can still play with random people on both dedicated servers and matchmaking, now had IW replaced matchmaking with dedicated servers for consoles, would there still be the same reaction?

Im guessing no, was there a big fuss about CoD 4 having dedicated servers, while consoles didnt? no, Did console players get mad and try to petition IW to add Dedicated servers to the consoles? no.

You know, I hope they add cross-platform multiplayer for the pc-360, just so I can hear all the fanboys whining about how IW ruined Modern Warfare, after all, its plausible now that they use the same match search.

Somewhere a logic professor is crying.

"was there a big fuss about CoD 4 having dedicated servers, while consoles didnt?"
I would think not, considering that most mainstream console games abandoned dedicated servers after after Rainbow Six 3 for the Xbox in 2003, a whole 6 years ago.

"Did console players get mad and try to petition IW to add Dedicated servers to the consoles? no."
I fail to see how adding Dedicated Servers to the console, is functionally equivalent to adding Dedicated Servers to PC. Dedicated Servers were not something that was considered a staple of online console gaming, whereas they were for PC gaming. Dedicated servers were not in the last iteration of Modern Warfare for Consoles. While your logic is not necessarily flawed, your premises are. A more appropriate comparison to PC fans wanting Dedicated Servers is console fans wanting Matchmaking.

"You know, I hope they add cross-platform multiplayer for the pc-360, just so I can hear all the fanboys whining about how IW ruined Modern Warfare, after all, its plausible now that they use the same match search."
You do realize this invalidates the whole 'elitist PC gamer who hates anyone who doesn't think like them' argument you've been making by proving you are no better than the strawman PC gamer you dreamed up?

 

[teh_gunslinger]

When was the last time you saw a full Hydro server? In fact, it's one of the more common complaints on the Steam forums that the "uneducated masses" play nothing but Goldrush, Dustbowl and 2Fort.

Last night I was on a Hydro server that was close to full. It was on the rotation on my regular server. And 2fort is a pretty hated map amongs many. Gold Rush is popular for a reason. It's an awesome map. So is dustbowl incidentally.

This is Infinity Ward's way of making sure that all of their maps are enjoyed in equal amounts.

So we should be forced to a lame MM system because of IWs vanity?

 

[MiodekPL]

Console matchmaking is a step backward compared dedicated servers. But there IS a way to join matchmaking with dedicated servers - i.e. Battlefield 2142 (and I'm almost certain 2 too) dona that very well. But laziness and greed won't let IW+Acti spend money and time to make anything better for a PC. We just get a console port - that's all.

 

[shadow skill]

Obviously, SilentHunter7, Im reading an entirely different thread than you are.

Perhaps you are. I didn't see anyone there say MM in addition to a server browser and dedicated servers was a bad idea.

All I see there is rage they they removed server browsing.

Which I think is reasonable. I don't think Console owners would be pleased with IW if they said they're getting rid of matchmaking, and replacing it with Wii Friend Codes.

first off, replacing matchmaking with friend codes is not equal to replacing server browsers and dedicated servers with match making, as you can still play with random people on both dedicated servers and matchmaking, now had IW replaced matchmaking with dedicated servers for consoles, would there still be the same reaction?

Im guessing no, was there a big fuss about CoD 4 having dedicated servers, while consoles didnt? no, Did console players get mad and try to petition IW to add Dedicated servers to the consoles? no.

You know, I hope they add cross-platform multiplayer for the pc-360, just so I can hear all the fanboys whining about how IW ruined Modern Warfare, after all, its plausible now that they use the same match search.

Most of the people who bought the game on consoles probably had no idea what COD 4 could do on a PC! It still sucked that they did not have it because the game could turn into a lag fest real fast.

Most people probably do not even realize that games tend to have multiple presets and stick to the defaults. Does that mean that there are not a great many people who would change their controls to suit them if they knew they could? For a long time I did not know that Southpaw existed as a configuration for shooters on consoles so I never played them. Then I got Black for the PS2 and setup Southpaw without even knowing it. Now I look for that and full button mapping in shooters otherwise I do not buy the game. Or I get the PC version where I know I can set my buttons as I please.

oh, your talking about the matchmaking selection screens, where you can choose from deathmatch, team deathmatch, and hardcore? because Im sure you have to choose one of those options before you start playing.

and what CoD4 could do on the pc? do you mean you getting into a room with a modded map and easily get tenth prestige without trying? Im not exactly following you.

AS for the "lag-fest", ive never had lag problems, maybe its just your internet connection, after all, Live requires you have a set bandwidth before you can play games online.

but yea, I really dont see how changing your controls has anything to do with IW not having dedicated server support, though I would like to point you to here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.150217

and I quote:

IW has control of the game
IWnet servers will host multiplayer
DLC will be a charged item for PC
No dedicated servers
Matchmaking system used to play with similarly ranked players
VAC instead of PB
Semi-capable password servers
Semi-capable ad-hoc servers
MW2 mods would not be possible
Full integration into Steam

so obviously IWnet server hosting is a bad thing, yep, must be.

The point is that people may not complaint out of ignorance not because something is a non issue. Do you think that people did not get together through a party and go into a ranked match in order to level up? Match making does fuck all to solve that problem. I use controller settings as an example of something lots of people may not say anything about because they simply do not know they can change it to suit them if need be, it is called an example.

 

[elvor0]

No I'm not feeling like I'm in a "little special club of special kids", I genuinely bloody prefer dedicated servers, after playing the likes of DoW 2 mess of a matchmaking and all those games with quickmatches which screw me over.
I'm just more inclined to the manual, "do it yourself" ethos, accessible is one thing, but taking away choice is another thing I'm not loving, if we can have dedicated servers, but the devs can't be arsed to change one friggin thing for the PC port then I deserve to be pissed off.

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only reasoning I can think of is that their internet connections suck, in that case: console > pc.

You are...aware that pcs and consoles both run off of the same internet? and that the internet connection will be the same speed wether you play COD on your PC or your Console if they're both hooked up to the same phone line?

 

[Anarchy In Detroit]

fucking lame. signing petition.

Don't forget who made Call of Duty big, it wasn't shitty console players.

 

[AceDefective]

was never gunna buy it anyway MW2 never realy looked that good to me mabey im not brought in by the whole OMG! its teh war in modern times.
BTW anyone Know a good revolutionary war FPS for me to try? ive always wanted to try one.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

Oh, I just had a flash of inspiration. If dedicated servers and server browsers are that insanely complicated as John Funk and others think could you not explain it in some sort of paper that was with the game. A description of how to work it and a little vocabulary that explained basic terms like ping, DM, TDM, CTF, PL (of course not PL. Sorry for the lapse) etc.? Some sort of handbook for the game. Perhaps it could be called a manual, seeing as manus means hand in Latin and all?

 

[shadow skill]

No I'm not feeling like I'm in a "little special club of special kids", I genuinely bloody prefer dedicated servers, after playing the likes of DoW 2 mess of a matchmaking and all those games with quickmatches which screw me over.
I'm just more inclined to the manual, "do it yourself" ethos, accessible is one thing, but taking away choice is another thing I'm not loving, if we can have dedicated servers, but the devs can't be arsed to change one friggin thing for the PC port then I deserve to be pissed off.

so........the PC version deserves to be better than the 360 and ps3 versions, right, after they said they are treating MW2 as an equal on all platforms, the pc version obviously needs to have something the other ones dont.

am I hitting the point here? if not I could go on.....

Im tired of the PC gamers "awww, you play on a console? how cute." mentality, I play console games because I dotn feel like optimizing my computer to get a viable frame-rate, I play consoles simply because jumping into a server on most PC games results in you getting booted because you are not a regular player there, therefor don't have a right to be there. Modern Warfare for the consoles runs possibly better than the PC version for one simple reason, you get everything you need with it. Sure you might not get modded servers, but playing "cops and robbers" gets old, fast. Also, if PC's are better, then why is a big fuss being made about dropping dedicated servers? I mean, the console versions never had them, and look how well they do.

only reasoning I can think of is that their internet connections suck, in that case: console > pc.

The reasoning I SEE, is that it was enabled in the first game so there is little or no reason not to include it in the second.

Oh and matey, Xbox live and PSN both run off the "internets", ya know ? Coz they also run off your modem/ wireless adapter, sorry but that ignorance pisses me off.

why yes, they do, however atleast the 360 requires a set ammount of bandwidth to allow you to play games online, not sure how PSN does that. The point is that there shouldnt be anyone mad about this, if thats the case where is the angry mob with their pitchforks going after ODST?

sure there isnt a reason why it shouldnt be in this one, but then again IW decided to take it out to make it more accessible.

I love how gamers like to think they can boss game developers around, its like me changing my avatar to a puppy and people getting mad because its no longer a bunny, and yes, think about that for a second, yes, its just as stupid as people getting mad about a feature getting removed from a game.

also, Im not your matey.

You pay developers so that they give you what they want?

 

[elvor0]

Oh, I just had a flash of inspiration. If dedicated servers and server browsers are that insanely complicated as John Funk and others think could you not explain it in some sort of paper that was with the game. A description of how to work it and a little vocabulary that explained basic terms like ping, DM, TDM, CTF, PL etc.? Some sort of handbook for the game. Perhaps it could be called a manual, seeing as manus means hand in Latin and all?

I dont want to have to read things! I'm entitled to have things handed to me and simplified so I can understand them RAWR RAWR RAWR!

 

[shadow skill]

Oh, I just had a flash of inspiration. If dedicated servers and server browsers are that insanely complicated as John Funk and others think could you not explain it in some sort of paper that was with the game. A description of how to work it and a little vocabulary that explained basic terms like ping, DM, TDM, CTF, PL etc.? Some sort of handbook for the game. Perhaps it could be called a manual, seeing as manus means hand in Latin and all?

I dont want to have to read things! I'm entitled to have things handed to me and simplified so I can understand them and an advanced mode after I get the hang of things. RAWR RAWR RAWR!

Fixed it for you.

 

[lord canti]

Wow pc gamers are a whiny bunch of people aren't they.