No Dedicated Servers for Modern Warfare 2 PC, Fans Freak Out

[sgtshock]

Every single PC Gamer in this thread was once confused by a gigantic wall of text that opened up when they first hit "Find Server." It was intimidating, but everyone figured out what each thing meant and what, and what types of games were ideal for them, and now they navigate them like pros. I was 11 years old when I figured out how MoHAA's server browser worked.

If you want to make multiplayer gaming friendlier, the answer isn't stripping away all choice and ability so that no one hurts their brains trying to figure out what to play. Things like bigger text, double-spacing, or color coding (i.e. green for low ping servers red for high, red for full or empty servers, etc.) could make them easier. Or better yet, just add a "Play Now" button to auto connect to a server with a low ping. Don't punish old players for the sake of the new.

And to those who say they prefer the ability to just press a button and join, that's fine and dandy, but does that mean you have to remove the option of joining the game you want? What's wrong with having it both ways, with dedicated and player-hosted servers that can be auto-joined or manually selected?

 

[shadow skill]

If the server browser is complicated wouldn't it be wise to have a video tutorial showing how to use it? Why don't people just explain things to users especially when a server browser is not going to eat their files or damage their machine; making it safe to let people experiment through trial and error like all human beings do?

 

[WlknCntrdiction]

I have to say that Cantfakethefunks' attitude sucks particularly well in this article tbh.
I built my own computer at the beginning of this year, the first time I've ever dabbled in computers because I used to be one of the console tards who couldn't plug a PCI-16 cable into a graphics card but now I find it's so easy, all this in under a year. I'll admit that my only foray into online PC multiplayer gaming has been in the original COD4. I didn't know what ping was until I started reading the responses,(you learn something new everyday)I thought the higher the number the better it was, probably why I was getting all those laggy matches lol.
But I agree with all the people saying that if you don't know how to use servers then you really shouldn't be playing the game on a PC, it maybe "elitist" to most but it's undoubtably true. Every "console-tard" of a friend I know knows nothing about computers, they wouldn't be able to cope at all, neither would the general populace either if(in addition to)how stupid some people can be nowadays.

 

[shadow skill]

So what prevents you from selecting match making if you want it, and someone else choosing a server if they like? Because you want to play a certain way and you are so immature that you revel in people getting shafted because you get shafted with the console version (Despite there being nothing stopping the manufacturer from allowing mods or private servers. Aside from network policies dictated by the console manufacturer.) everyone else should suffer? Everyone should play the way you play?

Are you serious? Matchmaking and server browsing with private dedicated servers may exist side by side. So how can this be applied to the people who want to have private dedicated servers?

For the record Resistance one had matchmaking AND a server browser.

sorry, I should of made it bolder. The point it people dont WANT matchmaking and dedicated servers side by side, if they did there wouldn't be pc fanboys foaming at the mouth in this thread right now, to them its dedicated or your a "console-tard" as someone stated earlier. Matchmaking is better, simply because you dont have to worry if a certain server is up/down, or worry about admins that have a bigger ego than their vocabulary. Sure if they can put in a dedicated server option in, that would be okay, then again there is no modding support, so already the "why should we bother" sign becomes evident. honestly it sounds like only a small group of people are attempting to get a company to bend over for them alone, yet again, after the company said that they are treating this game as an equal on all platforms.

Want to know why people hate pc gamers? this thread is evident enough. I will buy Modern Warfare 2, for the 360 possibly, maybe the ps3 when I decide to go get one, but for the computer? why should I? I dont have to configure my 360 to play it, I dont have to make sure I need enough hard drive space for it, and patches are downloaded instantly, in fact, one would say that it is better than a pc version just for that.

No you mean you don't want it side by side I do. I also know that putting the two options side by side will make sure that threads like this do not happen, because people will be able to play how they want to play.

really? because everyone so far that has been pro-dediacted have all but said console players are stupid, though that exact post might be coming up soon. They also state that "its not hard to hit server search" or "keep your console out of my pc!".

if you took my earlier posts as being pure pro-Matchmaking, your mistaken, I do believe it is good for a game to make it easier for players to "jump in and play", while a majority of server browsers are fairly clunky, and take a while to figure out what everything means. what could work would be a quick-match option that finds the best server and puts you in it, this way the dedicated server crybabies get their own servers, and people that just want to play will be able to.

But my point still stands that I find it funner to simply hit start and be in a game faster than it takes most pc gamers to find their server, not to mention the seamless host transfer occurs should the original host lose connection, seeing how servers themselves cant do that and require a re-start everytime they crash or shut down, and should a server admin not be on for several days, the "fun" factor sharply declines.

I suggest you actually read the thread and discover what the problem actually is, instead of being happy to stick it to the "elitists." Then you would not be making stupid claims like no one wants match making and dedicated servers side by side. Instead of saying things predicated on the idea that you don't want to feel like an idiot, realize that you may in fact not know something that the so-called "elitists" do know. Being ignorant of something does not make you an idiot, smiling at the misfortune of others when you should be asking for what they are having stripped from them does.

 

[SilentHunter7]

1: Both. Server lists invariably lead to rather homeogenous selections, consisting mainly of nothing more than Map A/Gametype C/ Time X and few variations thereof. Meanwhile Maps C through M are mostly ignored, and Gametypes A,B and D never see the light of day.

2: Veto systems only work once, and even then, the next selection is random. You may not like the current map, but you don't want chance getting a map that you like even less. Further, if you haven't learned to mute everyone you see or meet online, thats your own damn fault. Hell, its even easier on consoles, where two buttons is all it takes most of the time.

3: Consoles, not counting WoW for PC, crush PCs everyday of the week, and twice on Sunday, in sheer numbers alone. And consoles are not END.




WILL FINISH TYPING AFTER CLASS IS OVER.

Umm, *signs into Steam and boots CS:S*

I saw servers for de_dust, de_dust2, de_aztec, de_fuck, cs_office, awp_arena, aim_normal, and cs_747.

I seen at least 7 servers with gun game, and at least 30 with no AWP. At least half of them are labeled "Public server".

How homogeneous.

 

[sneakypenguin]

Wait if there is no mods why do you even need dedicated servers? P2P isn't slow, surely one of 16-32 ppl has a decent connection. I get host a lot of times on DSL and it doesn't lag. I'd assume there is a party system, so what is the benefit of dedicated servers again?

 

[elvor0]

1: Both. Server lists invariably lead to rather homeogenous selections, consisting mainly of nothing more than Map A/Gametype C/ Time X and few variations thereof. Meanwhile Maps C through M are mostly ignored, and Gametypes A,B and D never see the light of day.

2: Veto systems only work once, and even then, the next selection is random. You may not like the current map, but you don't want chance getting a map that you like even less. Further, if you haven't learned to mute everyone you see or meet online, thats your own damn fault. Hell, its even easier on consoles, where two buttons is all it takes most of the time.

3: Consoles, not counting WoW for PC, crush PCs everyday of the week, and twice on Sunday, in sheer numbers alone. And consoles are not END.




WILL FINISH TYPING AFTER CLASS IS OVER.

Umm, *signs into Steam and boots CS:S*

I saw servers for de_dust, de_dust2, de_aztec, de_fuck, cs_office, awp_arena, aim_normal, and cs_747.

I seen at least 7 servers with gun game, and at least 30 with no AWP. At least half of them are labeled "Public server".

How homogeneous.

Isnt CSS that game that was created out of a Mod someone made for half Life? yes it is(meant to the guy the guy I quoted as opposed to the guy I directly quoted)

 

[SilentHunter7]

Obviously, SilentHunter7, Im reading an entirely different thread than you are.

Perhaps you are. I didn't see anyone there say MM in addition to a server browser and dedicated servers was a bad idea.

All I see there is rage they they removed server browsing.

Which I think is reasonable. I don't think Console owners would be pleased with IW if they said they're getting rid of matchmaking, and replacing it with Wii Friend Codes.

 

[AndresCL]

Well, this oficially sucks. Thanks consoles, for making our games miserable just like yours

 

[Treblaine]

I find the argument that PC gamers should not have (or at least that it's all right to not have) Dedicated Server access simply because "it's too complicated" is like saying manual gearbox cars should be banned "because they're too complicated"

...even though all the top performance race cars and supercars use a manual gearbox... but I thought the "simple and easy to use" matchmaking *ahem* I mean Automatic Gearbox was superior(sarc)?

News flash! Loads of people choose the "too complicated" option because:
(a) it is NOT actually all that complicated and
(b) it gives you WAY more control and performance

That is what PC gaming is ALL about.

I actually plan to get MW2 for 360 as well as PC (probably much later at pre-owned price) as I know plenty of my friends will never get into PC gaming because they honestly cannot be bothered and are quite simply are afraid of things they can't instantly understand.

Maybe it is not the manual-stick or server-list that is the problem with those people that "just can't figure it out".

Maybe it's just them.

 

[shadow skill]

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If you can't use a server browser you probably shouldn't even be using a PC.

Further proof that consoles are a cancer that is destroying gaming.

Wait how lacking in IQ must you be to find a server listing confusing? and since when do the CASUAL GAMER have a PC rig strong enough to play this kind of game on PC? WTF people. If your not bright enough to look through a server list and please stick with flash-games and consoles.

PS.

Anyone too thick to figure out how to select a server from a list a la TF2 is likely too thick to operate a PC or install PC games in the first place.

This article was clearly written by someone with little to no experience with PC gaming.

This is terrible. Yet another consoleization of PC gaming. STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM MY GAMES CONSOLE!

I will not buy MW2 for this reason alone. FUCK YOU INFINITY WARD!

Stop trying to kiss console-tard ass all the fucking time! That goes for all developers who tries and/or will try to do this.

FREEDOM HATING FUCK-WANKS!

So since when has the PC turn into some trivial piece of machine for newcomers to get into?
Last i remember you graduate to PC, not start from it. PC gaming doesn't need more people as it needs more support from the ppl making the games. IW started off on the PC and now they moved on to a more lucrative franchise with the Consoles. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKING IT EASIER FOR YOU. its making it easier for them to make ONE game and port it 3 ways than make 1 game with 2 different functions.

Obviously, SilentHunter7, Im reading an entirely different thread than you are.

Is that most of the people in this thread? Do these comments not exist within the context of there are no private dedicated servers? How does this prove that people would be mad if there was both available given what IW announced?

 

[teh_gunslinger]

You see an intuitive list of gametypes, pings, map listings, and server names. I do too.

I want you to forget everything you know about PC gaming. Imagine you finally work out how to get the little server listing up, and then just find yourself hit with a wall of text:

I press find servers or some such button.

Game names, map names, ping numbers, game populations. Which map should I join?

I'll pretend like I'm a complete n00b at pc gaming online.

Is this a good map?

Well seeing as this is my first time at the game I suppose any map is fine. It's not like I'll not the difference, is it?

Do I want it to be full, or do I want it to be smaller?

Well, seeing as this is my first time at the game I could take a server that has the words 'n00b friendly' or some such in it. If none exists I could take one that is not completely full and see how it goes and change later if it's bad. (Incidentally that's the same gamble as a damn match making system: I wonder how many racists and homophobes will be on this unknown map?)

Oh, I clicked this one, but then it couldn't connect - what was wrong with it?

I could look at the message. Perhaps it gives a clue. And I'm connected to google so I'm sure I can search for it.

Why is it downloading stuff when I try to join this map?

What's the difference between a quick refresh and a full refresh?

Hells bells! I could try pressing both and see if there is any difference.

Which game are you in?

I'm on Steam! Yay! I can perhaps press join game?
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Okay, it won't let me join that game, why not?

I could try reading the message again. Google if all else fails.

Are we going to be on the same teams?

Does it really matter?

It makes sense for you. It makes sense for me. Much in the same way that mouse+keyboard is incredibly intuitive, but you put my aunt in WoW and ask her to move around and she looks at it befuddled.

Are we talking about your aunt or someone who bought a sequel to a hugely popular fps on the PC?

It's overwhelming, and rather difficult to get accustomed to right off the bat.

Google...

What makes sense to us experienced PC gamers is not necessarily intuitive to people who are looking to get into PC gaming, but are (for example) used to console matches.

Then give both options instead of dragging us all down to console levels.

 

[Compatriot Block]

I seriously can't understand how some of you think that referring to console users as "console-tards" and the like is a good idea, or will be productive in any way.

I will digress for a moment. Where does a gamer become a "console-tard"? Is any person who prefers consoles to PC gaming inferior? Or is it anyone who "dares to waste their time on an inferior system"? What if a person plays both? Do they become console-tards while they play their Xbox/PS3, and shift back into the "nobility" when they play on their PCs? Anyways...

I believe that this choice was made, as some people above have surely stated, to make sure that the entirety of Infinity Ward's work is appreciated. You've all noticed that over it's life, TF2's map choice has become narrow. When was the last time you saw a full Hydro server? In fact, it's one of the more common complaints on the Steam forums that the "uneducated masses" play nothing but Goldrush, Dustbowl and 2Fort.

This is Infinity Ward's way of making sure that all of their maps are enjoyed in equal amounts.

 

[Doktor Merkwurdigliebe]

Matchmaking system in Left 4 Dead is the only reason why I play the game in single player. It either can't find anything for good 20 minutes, or finds something, and then dumps you in some fucking middle of nowhere, and no-one there is even willing to communicate, not mentioning actual cooperation. Oh and by the way - lag eats your brain while you play.

I prefer dumb bots to dumber people.

No mods?
Frontlines mod was the only thing that made CoD4's killstreakgrenadespawncampfest into something actually playable.

 

[shadow skill]

I seriously can't understand how some of you think that referring to console users as "console-tards" and the like is a good idea, or will be productive in any way.

I will digress for a moment. Where does a gamer become a "console-tard"? Is any person who prefers consoles to PC gaming inferior? Or is it anyone who "dares to waste their time on an inferior system"? What if a person plays both? Do they become console-tards while they play their Xbox/PS3, and shift back into the "nobility" when they play on their PCs? Anyways...

I believe that this choice was made, as some people above have surely stated, to make sure that the entirety of Infinity Ward's work is appreciated. You've all noticed that over it's life, TF2's map choice has become narrow. When was the last time you saw a full Hydro server? In fact, it's one of the more common complaints on the Steam forums that the "uneducated masses" play nothing but Goldrush, Dustbowl and 2Fort.

This is Infinity Ward's way of making sure that all of their maps are enjoyed in equal amounts.

People enjoy the levels they enjoy. Why should IW be able to tell the people actually playing the game that they should enjoy what they [IW] tells them?

 

[Faky]

You can already see whats the problem - just check the article picture.

Anyway - i was hoping to see some very good reviews of this game. But now i can see it moves in the wrong direction - like almost every game recently. Creating games for consoles is a step in the direction that every chimp can play games, and sadly this reflects in PC gaming.

I mean WTF. Server browsers to hard to use? How hard is to add a server to favorites and then always play on that particular server. To hard for some baboons i guess. They really need one button - "JOIN", because their brain cells could not compute more i guess.

LOL i remember playing Tie Figther - you had to use all keyboard. And i mean WHOLE keyboard + combination of shift+keys,... And i was about 13 at that time!! And believe it, i could manage it just fine + had a awesome time playing it. Can you imagine this game today? I bet it would be - press X to fire, and then it would follow - press O for shields, press O for trusters, press O for repair, press O for match speed, press O for.... Otherwise the chimps could not get it...

It looks like the good old times of PC gaming are gone. Get a baboon 3 key edition game nao.

 

[Skiftnycklar]

I had no problems navigating in a game as a seven-year old who didn't know a WORD of English, and the first FPS I played was Counter-Strike. My brother spent about 20 seconds explaining to me (in an annoyed tone, and hurried, mind you) what the basic functions of the server list was. Twenty seconds after that I was ingame. I'm left-handed, and didn't want to play with right-handed controls. Called my brother, another twenty seconds, and I'm off to keymapping. A few minutes later I'm playing. Getting my ass kicked, sure, but I'm having fun. Never once did I find anything up to the point of actually playing difficult. And considering what I know now, I was a freaking idiot back then. I mean, I was TEN!

I don't see why removing the server list entirely helps. It might not be intuitive, but it doesn't HAVE to be. If a seven-year old with no experience of computer gaming and who doesn't know one single word of English can get a grip on the basic functions of a server list in under a minute, then I don't know how sluggish you have to be to not understand it. I mean seriously, it's like six clicks. Start game (double click), server list, refresh, select server, join server.