No Demo for Skyrim

[minimacker]

How does one demo a massive single-player sandbox, that essentially lives by the rules that you can do anything and become anyone?

I'm all right with not having a demo for this game.

 

[Hunter.Wolf]

I was thinking more along the lines of a full world thing. You can't really get into it if you're limited and don't have much room to explore. There's no room for actually getting to fun parts like quests, exploration, stat customizations. and etc.

Not true .. many open world games had very good demos that are an appetizer for players to what the full game will offer .. from Infamous 2 to Just Cause 2 and many more.

It being an open world game is no excuse for not making a demo (invisible walls, limited play time, .. etc etc)

It being an RPG is no excuse (a couple of starter quests with capped skills and limited item drop table has always worked for RPG demos)

Actually considering how buggy Bethesda's games are it is actually essential to make a demo as it is like a global play-test so when the actual game is released a lot of critical bugs (game breaking ones) might get ironed out on release date with patches instead of leaving tons of frustrated players waiting for weeks while Bethesda play-tests the game to iron out post-release bugs.

That and the fact they will be losing a lot of potential customers who could have picked the demo out of curiosity and never played an Elder Scrolls game before.

I say they are being lazy XD

 

[HK_01]

I can't really say that I care since I don't need a demo to convinve me to buy this game. And I also see that it would be very difficult to create a demo that actually does justice to a game like this.

 

[Buizel91]

2) Bethesda games are some of the buggiest in the industry. We need more demos, not less especially from companies who put out buggy games that their community has to write patches for.

Yeah, Skyrim is going to be full of bugs. With any luck the majority of them won't break the gameplay.

They have updated the Engine...

Somehow i don't think it's going to be as buggy as most of their other games, but it's an RPG, it's bound to have a few of them.

 

[scar_47]

Not a surprise really it would be rather difficult to make a demo where so much depends on the player to get even a rough experience of the game you'd need character creation followed by a tutorial and then an average quest or dungeon that would allow someone new to the series to get a good feel for it. I t would also be a ridiculously large demo and still wouldn't really give you an idea of how the game plays since it would be such a limited experience in such a huge world. I know just cause 2 had a good demo but thats because 90% of the game is running around blowing crap up not that hard to do a demo for. Wether a demo is released or not has no effect on my purchases I think they can be helpful to people on the fence but if you can't be swayed by the myriad of previews and feature stories you could always spend 2.50 and rent the game best demo there is they can't distort the experience then.

 

[Omnific One]

A game that actually did an awesome demo which was hand in hand with the full game was Just Cause 2. As in the case with Skyrim, it's a fairly open sandbox game and was good way to benchmark your rig to the specs of the game.

Just Cause had far fewer unique assets than Oblivion or Skyrim does. That's why a demo was possible.

Also:

RPGs aren't the best games to demo really, so it's not really surprising, or a problem.

Exactly. You can't really demo a game where you build your own character...

Yes you can. Most recently, Dragon Age II had a demo and I think the character creator was in the demo. Even if Bethesda doesn't want to put a character creator in the demo, they can still put out a demo with a pre-made character.

Now the excuses for Bethesda's laziness are just getting ridiculous.

What next "You can't really make a demo of a game with swords in it". LOL

Wait, what? Have you played a TES game before? They are open world. DAII's demo was completely linear.

 

[ScRaT_the_destroyer]

name an elder scrolls game that has had a demo released for it:

 

[Epona]

RPGs aren't the best games to demo really, so it's not really surprising, or a problem.

Exactly. You can't really demo a game where you build your own character...

Yes you can. Most recently, Dragon Age II had a demo and I think the character creator was in the demo. Even if Bethesda doesn't want to put a character creator in the demo, they can still put out a demo with a pre-made character.

Now the excuses for Bethesda's laziness are just getting ridiculous.

What next "You can't really make a demo of a game with swords in it". LOL

I was thinking more along the lines of a full world thing. You can't really get into it if you're limited and don't have much room to explore. There's no room for actually getting to fun parts like quests, exploration, stat customizations. and etc.

Yes you can. Look Bethesda is being lazy, they could do a demo but they won't because people keep making excuses for them.

Hell, didn't they have a demo at E3? So, they can make a playable demo to SHOW you but not one you can play? That makes no sense.

 

[Epona]

name an elder scrolls game that has had a demo released for it:

Daggerfall

 

[Epona]

A game that actually did an awesome demo which was hand in hand with the full game was Just Cause 2. As in the case with Skyrim, it's a fairly open sandbox game and was good way to benchmark your rig to the specs of the game.

Just Cause had far fewer unique assets than Oblivion or Skyrim does. That's why a demo was possible.

Also:

RPGs aren't the best games to demo really, so it's not really surprising, or a problem.

Exactly. You can't really demo a game where you build your own character...

Yes you can. Most recently, Dragon Age II had a demo and I think the character creator was in the demo. Even if Bethesda doesn't want to put a character creator in the demo, they can still put out a demo with a pre-made character.

Now the excuses for Bethesda's laziness are just getting ridiculous.

What next "You can't really make a demo of a game with swords in it". LOL

Wait, what? Have you played a TES game before? They are open world. DAII's demo was completely linear.

Yes, I have played a TES game before. Morrowind and Oblivion multiple times. A demo doesn't have to be open world, it just needs to let the player try out the game and determine if they like and if their PC can actually run it.

Hell Morrowind came on a CD. The whole game on one CD, demos today are as big as that whole game. So yeah, they could put a sizable chunk into a demo if they wanted to or they could just make a benchmark for PC users.

I have seen demos that are over 1 GB, are you telling me they can't make a demo that fits under 1 GB? Assuming this is a 1 DVD game like Oblivion was, that's 20% of the entire game.

Yes, they could do a demo if they wanted to.

 

[Epona]

2) Bethesda games are some of the buggiest in the industry. We need more demos, not less especially from companies who put out buggy games that their community has to write patches for.

Yeah, Skyrim is going to be full of bugs. With any luck the majority of them won't break the gameplay.

They have updated the Engine...

Somehow i don't think it's going to be as buggy as most of their other games, but it's an RPG, it's bound to have a few of them.

The first game made on a new engine is the buggiest. What makes you think this engine will be less buggy than previous engines?

 

[Slangeveld]

Wasn't expecting what. Am going to base my decision on buying it based on reviews and general reception.

 

[Inkidu]

I'm still going to buy it. Day one. It's Elder Scrolls... who cares if it's buggy? Not me. I still play vanilla New Vegas. Nothing, nothing is buggier than that.

 

[rembrandtqeinstein]

meh, the demo is F3 and Oblivion, just like morrowind was the demo for oblivion, just like daggerfall was the demo for morrowind

If you liked one you will probably like the other, they won't be that different.

Based on Bethesda's track record you will want to wait a year and buy the full edition with all the dlc as well as give the mod community time to fix whatever abortion of a game is delivered on top of an excellent engine.

 

[Buizel91]

2) Bethesda games are some of the buggiest in the industry. We need more demos, not less especially from companies who put out buggy games that their community has to write patches for.

Yeah, Skyrim is going to be full of bugs. With any luck the majority of them won't break the gameplay.

They have updated the Engine...

Somehow i don't think it's going to be as buggy as most of their other games, but it's an RPG, it's bound to have a few of them.

The first game made on a new engine is the buggiest. What makes you think this engine will be less buggy than previous engines?

*Watches Skyrim Video*

Doesn't look buggy, but i could be wrong, i can see why people will think it will be though.

But judging by the video, it looks completely different, and the way characters move is different to, they don't...what i call, Float Walk.

As i say, could be wrong.

 

[Epona]

2) Bethesda games are some of the buggiest in the industry. We need more demos, not less especially from companies who put out buggy games that their community has to write patches for.

Yeah, Skyrim is going to be full of bugs. With any luck the majority of them won't break the gameplay.

They have updated the Engine...

Somehow i don't think it's going to be as buggy as most of their other games, but it's an RPG, it's bound to have a few of them.

The first game made on a new engine is the buggiest. What makes you think this engine will be less buggy than previous engines?

*Watches Skyrim Video*

Doesn't look buggy, but i could be wrong, i can see why people will think it will be though.

But judging by the video, it looks completely different, and the way characters move is different to, they don't...what i call, Float Walk.

As i say, could be wrong.

You can't tell from a video if it is buggy.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Don't really care. I got Oblivion without a demo, Fallout 3 without a demo, and Fallout: New Vegas without a demo. I trust them enough to make a fun game without needing a demo, thanks to past games of theirs that I enjoyed. It's like with Bioware. I got Mass Effect 2 day one, no demo because I had enjoyed the last game, and had no regrets. Then again, I'm a lowly console player.

 

[Omnific One]

A game that actually did an awesome demo which was hand in hand with the full game was Just Cause 2. As in the case with Skyrim, it's a fairly open sandbox game and was good way to benchmark your rig to the specs of the game.

Just Cause had far fewer unique assets than Oblivion or Skyrim does. That's why a demo was possible.

Also:

RPGs aren't the best games to demo really, so it's not really surprising, or a problem.

Exactly. You can't really demo a game where you build your own character...

Yes you can. Most recently, Dragon Age II had a demo and I think the character creator was in the demo. Even if Bethesda doesn't want to put a character creator in the demo, they can still put out a demo with a pre-made character.

Now the excuses for Bethesda's laziness are just getting ridiculous.

What next "You can't really make a demo of a game with swords in it". LOL

Wait, what? Have you played a TES game before? They are open world. DAII's demo was completely linear.

Yes, I have played a TES game before. Morrowind and Oblivion multiple times. A demo doesn't have to be open world, it just needs to let the player try out the game and determine if they like and if their PC can actually run it.

Hell Morrowind came on a CD. The whole game on one CD, demos today are as big as that whole game. So yeah, they could put a sizable chunk into a demo if they wanted to or they could just make a benchmark for PC users.

I have seen demos that are over 1 GB, are you telling me they can't make a demo that fits under 1 GB? Assuming this is a 1 DVD game like Oblivion was, that's 20% of the entire game.

Yes, they could do a demo if they wanted to.

See it's not that simple with TES. With a game like DAII, they can billboard a lot of the assets to save space. TES can't do that. The main draw of TEs is the open sandbox world, and a dungeon demo would not give the right impression to new gamers.

Plus console demo size caps.

 

[lacktheknack]

Normally, this would annoy me no end, but I'll give open-ended RPGs in a giant world the benefit of the doubt.

Still, all the brownie points they COULD have earned!