Non-Americans: How do you view us?

[RagnaThePig]

The US is an immense country populated by about 300 million people. I do not reduce 300 million people to a single opinion.

 

[fatmrbunko]

as an englishman i view americans as a hole as very egocentric or selfcentered in regards to countries as the majority only seem to care about america making many of you ignorant about others while making out america is the most important place there is.

in regards to 9/11 although the event is a tragedy you seem to make out it is the worst thing in history, hell many Americans are still sore over pearl habour and dont even believe the japan bombings even make up for it and some (minority) said the earthquakes are what they get for a small habour 65ish years ago

however none of this is all americans and only the 1st paragraph and a half applies to a near majority

 

[DracoSuave]

WOW......Im amazed at the short memory of peoples in other countries. How much american blood has been spilled since the 1940's for the liberation of nations in Europe, Asia, Africa, and the middle east. We were asked because we were the only ones who could help or had the power to. When the world asks you to be the cops, or cries upon you to say you have the power therefore you have the responsibility to help dont ***** when we do take action because were not helping your favorite cause. Step up and take charge yourself or sit down and shut up.

Never start this sort of talk in front of Canadians. We know it for the bullshit it is.

1) Your multiple wars on terror are not for us, they are for you. You were the one attacked. Not us.

2) You are not asked to be cops. In multiple engagements, the UN asked you NOT to get involved. They asked you NOT to be cops.

3) By the fact you say 'Since the 1940s' implies you think world war II started in the 1940s. Hate to break it to you, you weren't the first North Americans in that party. Canada declared war on September 1, 1939. The US only entered the war AFTER Japan attacked them, and only on the pacific front until 1943 when they joined the European theater. By then Mexico had already declared war on Germany and was in there. US wasn't the first to fight Germany in North America. They were the last

I appreciate you love your military, however, you need to learn military history better before you speak nonsense and propaganda like this.



Which takes me to my opinion on the States.

Your media bombards you with outright lies and mistruths for political gain. You believe propaganda spoonfed to you. Every time someone pipes up as a voice of reason and rationality, you allow the yahoos and morons and intellectually void shout them down. You actually have pockets that entertain creationism is a science. Your social consciousness derides learning and education as 'elitism' and do everything in your power to silence the voices of the rational.

Individually, I like some americans. But your political rhetoric is often hateful and malicious and irrational, and that makes people distrust you.

Now who needs to read a history Book. The United states declared war on japan DEC 8th 1941 Germany and Italy on DEC 11 1941 and Jun 5th 1942 on Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary.

The declaration of war was still two years after Canada, and -involvement- in that theater wasn't until 1943. You had declared war, but you weren't physically -there- for another couple years.

Mexico declared war on Germany on 22 May 1942 after German submarines attacked Mexican oil tankers, Potrero del Llano and the Faja de Oro; tankers that were transporting crude oil to the United States. These attacks prompted President Manuel Ávila Camacho to declare war on the Axis powers.

1942 is still before 1943.

The US Fought in North africa starting direct military assistance in North Africa on 11 May 1942 along side good ole monty. This is where the rivalry between patton and monty was born.

Fair enough. This wasn't the european theater... but I concede this point.

So anything else you say tp me after this i have trouble reading as your "truths" are very skewed. These are all facts please check them and then get back to me

However, Canada was in there in 1939. The fact that americans think WW2 started in the 40s is itself a major falsehood. There were other countries fighting for a couple years before the US finally were attacked and got involved.

 

[9Darksoul6]

IMO (which shouldn't offend anyone, since the OP is directly asking) you're bunch of childish, ignorant and illiterate idiots, and the main responsibles for the cultural fallbacks in our civilization.
Also, you're arrogant enough see yourselves as a global authority, and therefore as having the right to police the world.

 

[JasonKaotic]

I'm cool with 'Murrka. One of my best friends is American, after all. It's just a country that's got a lot of dickheads that make it look bad, as is every other well-known country.
America is just unfortunate enough to have lots of them.

 

[Yggdraz0r]

In the end, only the Native-Americans are ACTUALLY American.

The rest is just immigrants from Europe/Asia/Africa/Mexico and below.



True Story.

 

[captaincabbage]

I dunno about anyone else, but Me and pretty much most people I know view America as a big bully who got pushed down and grazed their arm, so they went whinging to the principal about it.
Americans are nice people, but America as a country isn't a very wonderful place.

 

[Warforger]

IMO (which shouldn't offend anyone, since the OP is directly asking) you're bunch of childish, ignorant and illiterate idiots, and the main responsibles for the cultural fallbacks in our civilization.

Hey that's not true, we're not illiterate!

Also, you're arrogant enough see yourselves as a global authority, and therefore as having the right to police the world.

Erm what? Aside from being the only super power left and being the only nation in NATO that actually does anything worthwhile the only thing that could be thought of otherwise would be the UN I guess? The only thing that limits America tends to be China and America's economy.

 

[Pearwood]

Americans are nice people with very vocal minority of rednecks, religious zealots and right wing nutters. So same as any other country except the morons in your country have a much bigger sense of entitlement and your free speech laws mean they can spread hate as much as they want with no consequence. And you eat too much junk but I'm hardly one to talk about that

Erm what? Aside from being the only super power left and being the only nation in NATO that actually does anything worthwhile the only thing that could be thought of otherwise would be the UN I guess? The only thing that limits America tends to be China and America's economy.

I guess the EU would count as a superpower. America is probably the only single nation superpower though.

Edit - Oh, forgot something very important. Your presidents are fucking useless. Seriously, I believe Obama has good intentions but the way your government is set up prevents anything that could actually benefit people from happening. National healthcare for instance, apparently it would bankrupt the country and turn you all into communists despite the fact that far wealthier capitalist/socialist countries have it.

 

[Staskala]

You see what your Media wants to see. You notice all the children and stupid people who wildly insult other countries (see my example above) just as we see yours. The fact is, your country, whether you notice it or not, is trying to make you think that all other countries are terrible in comparison. Our government does it, England does it, I am pretty sure Russia does it as well. You may want to doubt it, however you KNOW it is true.

Pffftahahaha. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
You do know that large parts of the European media are ridiculously pro-USA, yes? Sorry, but no, we don't have people who propagate hatred against the US, we have people who tell us that 9/11 was the game changer for the Western world, so bad and unprecedented that it was more important to us than everything that ever happened in our own countries.

There was zero - absolutely zero - intelligent discourse about 9/11, the coverage was 100% pro-US/Bush, the German media went out of its way to discredit everyone who questioned even the most minor details of the official version. Of the many, many failures of the US foreign policy only Iraq was ever addressed, in some outlets not even that. And so on. Critique in general has been kept at an absolute minimum; that's the reality.

Now, to get this back on topic:
If there is one thing I absolutely despise about Americans (online, because that's what these threads are all about, after all) its this idiotic desire to paint themselves as victims, even though they're easily the best off in almost every aspect. You feel there's a horrible trend of anti-US sentiment in the media? Try asking a Chinese about how his country is portrayed by foreign media.

Perspective, my dear American friends, is something that really wouldn't hurt your nation. Both of the "putting things into" and "looking at things from a different" varieties.

 

[SeeIn2D]

I want to put the argument that American's are brainwashed to bed. This is not true. We have stupid news outlets, most notably being Fox news of course, and a self destructive political party that does not let anything get done by the opposing party, even if they agree with it. And I will go so far as to say we do have "brainwashed" individuals in the country who were raised Republican and will not vote any other way or even listen to what the candidates/politicians are actually saying at the core of their speeches.

However, anyone outsiders simply claiming that all Americans are "brainwashed" and the government hides information from them in some huge conspiracy might as well be in the same boat as those guys I mentioned in the previous paragraph. Okay, claiming that SOME Americans are in a way brainwashed by the Republican party just because they're stupid is understandable and probably true. But labeling all Americans as brainwashed sheep? Thats as unfair a generalization and stereotype as labeling all people who follow the Islamic faith terrorists and suicide bombers isn't it? The answer is yes. And since when is the US the only country with stupid people in it? What about all those rioters in Great Britain? The ones looting and then posting pictures on facebook of it? Whenever I've talked to Brits about that they basically just say that those people give Britain a bad name. It's the same situation with our Republican nut jobs in this country.

Another argument I see all the time is talking about all of the US's shady dealings with international affairs that have surfaced in the past several years on wikileaks. The people making this claim are always insisting we are doing shady and sometimes horrible things overseas. Now I'm not going to deny that some of our soldiers have missteps in conduct and it is sometimes horrible what they do. However, when people bring up this argument, they act like our country is the only one that has incidents like these and keeps information away from the public. Anyone who believes that is an idiot. There are examples of horrible people who make it through the cracks and get into the armed forces in every country on earth. And quite frankly, the only country I can think of in the world that might share all of its military operations with its people is Switzerland... But anybody who truly believes that their country is a high point of society and the government has such a peachy relationship with the people that they share all of their military efforts with the public is naive and dare I say it, "brainwashed".

Long story short, the term brainwashed is thrown around VERY lightly and implies Nazis locking the people in rooms flashing subliminal messages on a TV until they walk out voting for Republicans and drooling a little bit. No. Our Media like Fox news and such is bad. They do a very good job of influencing the stupid people in the country to follow the Republican party blindly. Not all of our media is bad believe it or not! Watch anything political on PBS and you'll see that! In actuality, most of our media is good and bias free to be honest! PBS, NBC, NPR. All of these outlets are generally bias free.

Also finally, to anyone making the, "ALL AMERICANS ARE FAT" statement. Really? I mean...really? Anyone who makes that statement is basically automatically on the same level as the ones you claim are brainwashed. That's like me claiming the all British people have horrible teeth, and live on a diet consisting only of tea and crumpets, and saying that I have a valid argument. I don't want to go into that whole thing, but yes America is the fattest country on earth. THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE ONLY HAVE 400 POUND MONSTERS WALKING AROUND WITH MCDONALDS BAGS ALL THE TIME! In fact its really only the generation of 30-40 year olds in the south that are THAT fat. I've personally only had one friend who's ever been fat, but not goes to McDonald's and get a quarter pounder ever morning fat, just born fat for some reason. Neither parent being fat at all. So please put that "argument" to rest. If you choose not to then I'm rightfully putting you on the same level as the idiot Republican whack jobs in this country.

 

[Randomperson9999999]

i dont hate america but the people in america that think its the best i hate

 

[The Atomic Irishman]

Americans should be like the immortals in the highlander series. Always alone but when they gather in one place, there's bound to be some trouble, then, only one can depart from this gathering.

 

[checker201]

So mostly everyone's problems are problems that their country has as well...? I see we all have mutual opinions of annoyance and hatred....

Off-Topic, This is my new "Jeffrey Crall" account, end's up deleting my Facebook destroyed access to my account.

 

[Valkyr71]

WOW......Im amazed at the short memory of peoples in other countries. How much american blood has been spilled since the 1940's for the liberation of nations in Europe, Asia, Africa, and the middle east. We were asked because we were the only ones who could help or had the power to. When the world asks you to be the cops, or cries upon you to say you have the power therefore you have the responsibility to help dont ***** when we do take action because were not helping your favorite cause. Step up and take charge yourself or sit down and shut up.

Never start this sort of talk in front of Canadians. We know it for the bullshit it is.

1) Your multiple wars on terror are not for us, they are for you. You were the one attacked. Not us.

2) You are not asked to be cops. In multiple engagements, the UN asked you NOT to get involved. They asked you NOT to be cops.

3) By the fact you say 'Since the 1940s' implies you think world war II started in the 1940s. Hate to break it to you, you weren't the first North Americans in that party. Canada declared war on September 1, 1939. The US only entered the war AFTER Japan attacked them, and only on the pacific front until 1943 when they joined the European theater. By then Mexico had already declared war on Germany and was in there. US wasn't the first to fight Germany in North America. They were the last

I appreciate you love your military, however, you need to learn military history better before you speak nonsense and propaganda like this.



Which takes me to my opinion on the States.

Your media bombards you with outright lies and mistruths for political gain. You believe propaganda spoonfed to you. Every time someone pipes up as a voice of reason and rationality, you allow the yahoos and morons and intellectually void shout them down. You actually have pockets that entertain creationism is a science. Your social consciousness derides learning and education as 'elitism' and do everything in your power to silence the voices of the rational.

Individually, I like some americans. But your political rhetoric is often hateful and malicious and irrational, and that makes people distrust you.

Now who needs to read a history Book. The United states declared war on japan DEC 8th 1941 Germany and Italy on DEC 11 1941 and Jun 5th 1942 on Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary.

The declaration of war was still two years after Canada, and -involvement- in that theater wasn't until 1943. You had declared war, but you weren't physically -there- for another couple years.

Mexico declared war on Germany on 22 May 1942 after German submarines attacked Mexican oil tankers, Potrero del Llano and the Faja de Oro; tankers that were transporting crude oil to the United States. These attacks prompted President Manuel Ávila Camacho to declare war on the Axis powers.

1942 is still before 1943.

The US Fought in North africa starting direct military assistance in North Africa on 11 May 1942 along side good ole monty. This is where the rivalry between patton and monty was born.

Fair enough. This wasn't the european theater... but I concede this point.

So anything else you say tp me after this i have trouble reading as your "truths" are very skewed. These are all facts please check them and then get back to me

However, Canada was in there in 1939. The fact that americans think WW2 started in the 40s is itself a major falsehood. There were other countries fighting for a couple years before the US finally were attacked and got involved.

First off The US involvment in Combat operations in the European Theater started in 42 when the US 8th Airforce from march of 42 on carried the bulk of the load doing daylight bombing missions over Europe, specifically French and German targets. 42 not 43. From late 39 on until we had combat forces in Europe (North africa is generally accepted as part of the European theatre for WW2 but well seperate them for your arguments sake) THE US was shipping war material to the UK and Russia keeping them in the fight. Canadian troops actually went and fought with american made armor for the length of the war. Mexico only declared war in 42 and none of thier troops saw any battle until mid 43. They did contribute around 15k troops who fought in 2 theatres and also contributed 2 squadrons of fighter aircraft. this is 1943 not 1942. As for americans thinking that the war started in the 40 we know that the official declarations were in 39 (and we did particiate in the battl of the atlantic, 12300 american merchant marine sailors lost thier lives to german Uboat, aircraft and anti shipping attacks bringing you canucks and brits and russkies your war materials. Agin please go read ahistory book and then get back to me. Thanks

 

[T8B95]

Ok Lets talk about real history since you havent read the second post

1. American Service merchant men (Merchant marine) killed by german submarines and Aircraft prior to the US entering the war in DEC 1941: 12200 These were the men and women shipping War materiel to the UK and the russians Prior to the us commencing combat operations. You ko wthings like Tanks, aircraft, bullets, beans etc etc. There was no sitting on our Entitled asses as you put it. American industry kept you supplied and in the war until we came and put boots on ground. Check your history this is fact.

2. The japanese never tried to surrender prior to either of the atomic weapons being dropped and the civilians were warned multiple days in advance that they would be destroyed if they stayed. I dont know what version of history you read but its wrong. The emporer spoke of surrender but he wasnt really in charge of japan Tojo was and he had decided to fight to the death.

3. Where do you get that Europe was mostly a russian victory? The russian while moving farther than the rest of the allieson the march to belin did less up to that point other than retreating into winter and burning everything to the ground so the germans couldnt use everything. Also how did try and take credit. No-where did i say that the US Deserves sole credit for winning the war in europe. All i said is that americans (many) spilled thier blood for another country to be free? Tell me where it says America won the war?

4. Our actions were just as bad? Really we restricted people behind walls and failed to let them move about freely? we didnt let them practice thier religion? We machine gunned them down when they wanted to leave? We didnt allow protests against our govt and we allowed people to vote? Again check your history. Im not proud of our history in the civil rights department for african americans. It was wrong. did we demonize the soviets? yeah did they deserve it? You fuckin bet.

Please review some proper history books and then get back to me

Real history...you mean the American version of it? No thanks, I like to be impartial here.

1) While I accept that Americans helped supply and arm the British (odd that you called me British, I'm actually Canadian), that doesn't change the fact that your military did jack shit to help until you, personally, were attacked. The fact that many people in your country had sympathy for the Germans didn't help your cause.

2) The Japanese tried for a peaceful end of the war. The Americans wouldn't accept anything other than a complete and unconditional surrender, and when that was denied, they obliterated two cities with virtually no military significance.

3) You Yanks always portray the war as mostly an American effort, maybe with some British help. The Russians pushed farther in the east on their own than all of the Allies combined pushed on the west. Also, the Russians lost between 8 and 10 million people in the war. I'm not quite sure exactly how many the Western Allies lost, but I think that it was a little over 2 million. They sacrificed four times as many troops as everyone else combined.

4) They did not deserve any demonization that you gave them. It's sickening to think that the worst thing you can say about your history in that time frame is the civil rights movement. You imprisoned people for supporting Communism. You invaded other nations, usually without cause. You tried to invade Cuba, and then spent fifty years trying to knock off Castro (seriously, what's the big deal with Castro? After the missile crisis, why the hate?). Your actions in Vietnam were absolutely horrendous. You discriminated against every single other nation on the face of the planet. You supported the mujahideen in their attempt to destroy the Afghan government (a democratic, progressive, pro-woman's rights government, and the best thing that could have happened to that poor counrty in its history) just because that government was supported by the Soviet Union. I'm not trying to apologize for the Soviets, because they did bad shit too, but you were at least as bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_State:_A_Guide_to_the_World%27s_Only_Superpower

Read that, and then get back to me. And learn some proper grammar while you're at it.

WOW......Im amazed at the short memory of peoples in other countries. How much american blood has been spilled since the 1940's for the liberation of nations in Europe, Asia, Africa, and the middle east. We were asked because we were the only ones who could help or had the power to. When the world asks you to be the cops, or cries upon you to say you have the power therefore you have the responsibility to help dont ***** when we do take action because were not helping your favorite cause. Step up and take charge yourself or sit down and shut up.

Never start this sort of talk in front of Canadians. We know it for the bullshit it is.

1) Your multiple wars on terror are not for us, they are for you. You were the one attacked. Not us.

2) You are not asked to be cops. In multiple engagements, the UN asked you NOT to get involved. They asked you NOT to be cops.

3) By the fact you say 'Since the 1940s' implies you think world war II started in the 1940s. Hate to break it to you, you weren't the first North Americans in that party. Canada declared war on September 1, 1939. The US only entered the war AFTER Japan attacked them, and only on the pacific front until 1943 when they joined the European theater. By then Mexico had already declared war on Germany and was in there. US wasn't the first to fight Germany in North America. They were the last

I appreciate you love your military, however, you need to learn military history better before you speak nonsense and propaganda like this.



Which takes me to my opinion on the States.

Your media bombards you with outright lies and mistruths for political gain. You believe propaganda spoonfed to you. Every time someone pipes up as a voice of reason and rationality, you allow the yahoos and morons and intellectually void shout them down. You actually have pockets that entertain creationism is a science. Your social consciousness derides learning and education as 'elitism' and do everything in your power to silence the voices of the rational.

Individually, I like some americans. But your political rhetoric is often hateful and malicious and irrational, and that makes people distrust you.

Now who needs to read a history Book. The United states declared war on japan DEC 8th 1941 Germany and Italy on DEC 11 1941 and Jun 5th 1942 on Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary.

The declaration of war was still two years after Canada, and -involvement- in that theater wasn't until 1943. You had declared war, but you weren't physically -there- for another couple years.

Mexico declared war on Germany on 22 May 1942 after German submarines attacked Mexican oil tankers, Potrero del Llano and the Faja de Oro; tankers that were transporting crude oil to the United States. These attacks prompted President Manuel Ávila Camacho to declare war on the Axis powers.

1942 is still before 1943.

The US Fought in North africa starting direct military assistance in North Africa on 11 May 1942 along side good ole monty. This is where the rivalry between patton and monty was born.

Fair enough. This wasn't the european theater... but I concede this point.

So anything else you say tp me after this i have trouble reading as your "truths" are very skewed. These are all facts please check them and then get back to me

However, Canada was in there in 1939. The fact that americans think WW2 started in the 40s is itself a major falsehood. There were other countries fighting for a couple years before the US finally were attacked and got involved.

Thanks mate. You said everything else I wanted to say, better.

 

[DracoSuave]

Agin please go read ahistory book and then get back to me. Thanks

I have a very simple question.

is 1939 before or after every date mentioned regarding US involvement in the war?

US was attacked, then joined in. It did not join in out of the goodness of its heart... back then, the US had a strict neutrality policy with regards to external war.