Quit holding your nukes "gangsta-style" Kim!Chunko said:
"Thinking he´s ledgit" is a great analogy.
North Korea threatens the US with a Nuclear War.
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"Thinking he´s ledgit" is a great analogy.
So you're saying that the US should risk going to war with North Korea to do some military exercises?Mimsofthedawg said:
What do you think'll happen?
That North Korea is going to attack America, America will intercept their weapons before they reach the country, then the troops invade and North Korea surrenders?
No.
North would shoot the hell out of Seoul, use their citizens as soldiers and fight until they're wiped off the map.
Is that how you want the citizens to be liberated? Through death?
These problems need years of diplomatic negotiations or through dismantlement from the inside.
The North Koreans suffer, but for now we can't do anything.
You say that another Korean war would cause the Chinese economy to collapse, but by saying that you support my choice of stopping the Americans and giving North Korea what it wants.
There is no other way, at least not one that we can come up with now.
About the Pentagon incident, I have heard much different from what you've said.
I heard quite different from what you say.
If the situation is like you say, then I retract my statement on that.
However, I still feel that the battleship incident seems like a forged incentive for war by either the US or South Korea.
It seems too suspicious to me.
Accurately that is wrong the war has always been more the US and China fighting using korea as a battle field.Subzerowings said:
In fact they are still technically at war they just got a cease fire. Where as the north went to the arming and fucking up the country for its people the south went technical. Now being one of the most advance countries in the world. South korea has some of the largest commercial brands in the world including samsung and LG. At this point the south cannot afford to go back to all out war.
I've only read about half of the thread, but from what I can tell I'm shocked that no one here knows what the real issue is:
Seoul, the economic and political capital of South Korea and home to 24.5 million, is a mere 20-30 KM away from the DMZ. Forget about the nukes or long range missiles, North Korea has massed enough conventional artillery that's also bunkered and heavily fortified that were real attacks to occur they would completely level Seoul in minutes. In comparison the World Trade Center attacks would be nothing, this is equivilent to completely wiping out New York not just the two towers. There are also going to be longer range weapons targeted at major Japanese cities, but those you at least you can stand a chance against.
So basically the only reason Kim Jong-Il and the State of North Korea has been able to stand for so long is he's a comic book super villain with a crude doomsday device. Talk about taking them out all you want, if China stays out of it that wouldn't be hard, but at the moment there isn't anything you could do that wouldn't result in Seoul being wiped off the map.
Seoul, the economic and political capital of South Korea and home to 24.5 million, is a mere 20-30 KM away from the DMZ. Forget about the nukes or long range missiles, North Korea has massed enough conventional artillery that's also bunkered and heavily fortified that were real attacks to occur they would completely level Seoul in minutes. In comparison the World Trade Center attacks would be nothing, this is equivilent to completely wiping out New York not just the two towers. There are also going to be longer range weapons targeted at major Japanese cities, but those you at least you can stand a chance against.
So basically the only reason Kim Jong-Il and the State of North Korea has been able to stand for so long is he's a comic book super villain with a crude doomsday device. Talk about taking them out all you want, if China stays out of it that wouldn't be hard, but at the moment there isn't anything you could do that wouldn't result in Seoul being wiped off the map.
Well first off:
As of 2009 - China, South Korea, and Japan have stated to US Govt. That any problems with North Korea will be theirs to handle.
(b/c of the shit that happen in the Vietnam war)
But who knows if they truly mean any of it.
Second: I dont side with either, I live in the US and i think it is pointless to start 'another' war based on assumptions rather then facts, like Bush did. It is still the fact that our soldiers are over there dying for a people who dont seem to care one way or the other...
but that is my take on it.
As of 2009 - China, South Korea, and Japan have stated to US Govt. That any problems with North Korea will be theirs to handle.
(b/c of the shit that happen in the Vietnam war)
But who knows if they truly mean any of it.
Second: I dont side with either, I live in the US and i think it is pointless to start 'another' war based on assumptions rather then facts, like Bush did. It is still the fact that our soldiers are over there dying for a people who dont seem to care one way or the other...
but that is my take on it.
I wonder how the North Korean citizens are reacting to this situation. Do they have the "KILL THE WESTERN DEVIL!" attitude or are they just like "please don't... this is stupid..."Estocavio said:
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I guess there is a lot of bad blood between Korea government and America. If one nuke hits a major city like New York. Yeah that is going to be a extremely sad day.
Hmm what can we do to stop this...
1. Hypnotize the North Korean goverment? Nah
2. Act all nice and say we only want to live happily together? Uhh... I don't know there has to be some flaw in this plan.
3. Blow them up before they blow us up? ...lets consider this plan B
You just completely missed my point. They can't hit America, but their allies can. And even though they can't hit America, the can kill Americans in Japan and S. Korea, S. Korea also being an ally.Worgen said:Im not forgetting anything, what Im saying is the best they can do is maybe possibly nuke hawaii they cant possibly threaten the us mainland really at all, if they pull something then china isnt going to go to their aid, things have changed now, and russia never had more nukes then the us, unless you can find some good numbers to back up that claimIcehearted said:They're also blowhards.Worgen said:
However, you might be forgetting that they have conducted missile tests where they fired one right over Japan, one of their most critical opponents, and S. Korea has been their most hated enemy for decades. They don't have to reach us to do some damage. China and Russia also defend N. Korea constantly, China having at least 24-40 missiles pointed our way, Russia having more nukes than America, so the worst case scenario is that they nuke and we retaliate, bringing the retaliation of China and Russia upon us...or we just do this:
Which is basically the same thing we did after they blew up a S. Korean ship for no reason.
Oh, and since you want to get nasty about numbers:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7674962/US-has-more-than-5000-nuclear-warheads.html
http://www.neatorama.com/2010/05/03/just-how-many-nukes-does-the-us-have/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons
Happy reading.
DAMN SKIPPY IT IS!!!!! If the koerans fire on us or our allies{ex. Germany, Israel, South Korea) Hell will be raiseDJmagma said:*****! IT IS ON NOW!
well, the chances of America being hit with a nuke..is kinda low, since they have both airborne , on-ground and on sea lasers that would be able to shoot down the nukes(or even the carrier of the nuke) before they came down through the atmosphere (if they where that kind of missiles) or before they came close enough to do any real damage, you have to love countries that develops weapons that makes nerds drewl of excitement. so i would probably be on the American and south Korean side...
RandV80 said:
Well what can we do? All we seem to have are the threats and that wont work well with insane people that go "KILL THE WESTERN DEVIL AYYAYAYAYAAYAYAY"
Hire a therapist for their dictator? /;
I doubt it would ever evolve into Nuclear War. If the U.S. Govt. ever thought there was actually any danger of that, the CIA would assassinate that little freak in a heart beat. Then the military would charge in to "do damage control" (Place a puppet ruler in govt.)
Swedish Embassy in Pyongyang represents the US as consular protecting power
North Korea has a Permanent Mission to the UN in New York
Threat of weapon
Well I guess US is trying to do these things at the moment...
What else should we try?
North Korea has a Permanent Mission to the UN in New York
Threat of weapon
Well I guess US is trying to do these things at the moment...
What else should we try?
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their allies can but they wont, if nkorea tosses out a nuke then everyone around it is gonna be like "who? yeah we dont know that guy" but on the other hand if the us invades them before they do something stupid then they will have allies, this whole thing is just about nkorea wearing the big boy pants, besides the number of nukes doesnt really matter much, in the end it doesnt take many to wipe out civilization and we have more then enough for thatIcehearted said:You just completely missed my point. They can't hit America, but their allies can. And even though they can't hit America, the can kill Americans in Japan and S. Korea, S. Korea also being an ally.Worgen said:Im not forgetting anything, what Im saying is the best they can do is maybe possibly nuke hawaii they cant possibly threaten the us mainland really at all, if they pull something then china isnt going to go to their aid, things have changed now, and russia never had more nukes then the us, unless you can find some good numbers to back up that claimIcehearted said:They're also blowhards.Worgen said:
However, you might be forgetting that they have conducted missile tests where they fired one right over Japan, one of their most critical opponents, and S. Korea has been their most hated enemy for decades. They don't have to reach us to do some damage. China and Russia also defend N. Korea constantly, China having at least 24-40 missiles pointed our way, Russia having more nukes than America, so the worst case scenario is that they nuke and we retaliate, bringing the retaliation of China and Russia upon us...or we just do this:
Which is basically the same thing we did after they blew up a S. Korean ship for no reason.
Oh, and since you want to get nasty about numbers:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7674962/US-has-more-than-5000-nuclear-warheads.html
http://www.neatorama.com/2010/05/03/just-how-many-nukes-does-the-us-have/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons
Happy reading.
Anyone remember the N. Korean test firing a few years ago? It fell out of the sky and landed in the Sea of Japan if I remember correctly. And nuclear war is not an appealing thought. Now days we simply have the things as a deterrent rather than anything else. The days of Mutually Assured Destruction are hopefully gone. North Korea are just attempting to get some attention though. If they wanna get taken seriously they should try turning into a democracy (but that ain't likely to happen any time soon) and then everyone will want to be their friend!
Nothing is going to happen. The North Koreans don't have the capacity to hit JAPAN with their nuclear weapons, much less anywhere further away, so the US is safe. This is blustering, something they've been doing for years now. They are a rogue nuclear power and they do have the ability to hit South Korea (but they want the South so they won't do it) or they could hit China (but that would be pissing off their only backer). This isn't the prelude to world war three or nuclear war, so stop worrying about it. When NK is technologically sound enough to have a successful missile test then we'll worry. Until then, chill.Subzerowings said:
There's a very simple solution to this problem. I like to call it the:
Leave north korea the hell alone initiative.
I mean these guys have made it abundantly clear for decades now that they want nothing to do with the rest of the world, so just leave them alone!
Does america really believe that they are going to be able to actually intimidate these guys?
They are not afraid of anyone least of all the USA.
I can see it on the TV's now:
The president announcing that God has spoken to his supposedly Chosen people to attack this country in the name of Supposed freedom and what-not with waves of supposedly unracist soldiers.
Of course they will then drag us british into it and then take all the credit and scream at us for the next thousand years about how they own the world and how they are so superior to every other country.
......sorry years of abuse from the yanks over X-box live just spewed out in one go there.
My real opinion though is that america will do something stupid and start a war with these guys and hundreds of thousands of people will get killed because of it.
sorry america but you are somewhat eager to start fights with other countries.
Leave north korea the hell alone initiative.
I mean these guys have made it abundantly clear for decades now that they want nothing to do with the rest of the world, so just leave them alone!
Does america really believe that they are going to be able to actually intimidate these guys?
They are not afraid of anyone least of all the USA.
I can see it on the TV's now:
The president announcing that God has spoken to his supposedly Chosen people to attack this country in the name of Supposed freedom and what-not with waves of supposedly unracist soldiers.
Of course they will then drag us british into it and then take all the credit and scream at us for the next thousand years about how they own the world and how they are so superior to every other country.
......sorry years of abuse from the yanks over X-box live just spewed out in one go there.
My real opinion though is that america will do something stupid and start a war with these guys and hundreds of thousands of people will get killed because of it.
sorry america but you are somewhat eager to start fights with other countries.