North Korea Threatens War With US Over Seth Rogen Comedy
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Sadly I do take North Korea seriously, because they are simply too convenient a scapegoat for anyone with a beef against the US. They are the crazy man ranting on the subway platform, and all you need to do is say slide a knife (nuke) his way as you walk on by and let hijinks ensue. Or you "accidentally" shove someone his way and let the fight begin.
When you have an entity as irredeemable ludicrous and unilaterally hostile as North Korea, and you don't do a fucking thing to curtail it, you have only yourselves to blame when they actually start killing more than their own people. Whether they receive aid from malicious people with no good sense, or they manage to make their own WMDs, they WILL use them and people WILL die.
Probably all of North Korea in a swift and decisive carpet bombing after they actually start said shit, assuming their first salvo doesn't do catastrophic damage to them that would retaliate.
I'm just sick of the "wait and see" policy the world takes with North Korea and more recently Iraq. It SHOULDN'T be solely the problem of the US to take action. Every day people in both countries are dying and living miserable lives, and all that is talked about is protecting "US interests."
Is there not a U.N.? Does Russia and the EU and Iran and so on simply have better things to do, such as follow the World Cup, than put down ISIS, or stop the unbelievable dystopia that is North Korea.
Apparently its Obama's job to do everything as everyone else seems content to play the "not it" game.
Or maybe no one should interfere, and things will work themselves out. The people will simply kill enough of their neighbors to get some peace for a week or two and all will be well. Oil will continue to bleed out for the masses, and Samsung will keep making record profits while the people unfortunate enough to have been born north of the border are living in what can only be described as some kind of Fallout Vault-style social experiment gone wrong.
On a more salient note, the movie will probably be funny. I liked Pineapple Express even though I despise pot.
When you have an entity as irredeemable ludicrous and unilaterally hostile as North Korea, and you don't do a fucking thing to curtail it, you have only yourselves to blame when they actually start killing more than their own people. Whether they receive aid from malicious people with no good sense, or they manage to make their own WMDs, they WILL use them and people WILL die.
Probably all of North Korea in a swift and decisive carpet bombing after they actually start said shit, assuming their first salvo doesn't do catastrophic damage to them that would retaliate.
I'm just sick of the "wait and see" policy the world takes with North Korea and more recently Iraq. It SHOULDN'T be solely the problem of the US to take action. Every day people in both countries are dying and living miserable lives, and all that is talked about is protecting "US interests."
Is there not a U.N.? Does Russia and the EU and Iran and so on simply have better things to do, such as follow the World Cup, than put down ISIS, or stop the unbelievable dystopia that is North Korea.
Apparently its Obama's job to do everything as everyone else seems content to play the "not it" game.
Or maybe no one should interfere, and things will work themselves out. The people will simply kill enough of their neighbors to get some peace for a week or two and all will be well. Oil will continue to bleed out for the masses, and Samsung will keep making record profits while the people unfortunate enough to have been born north of the border are living in what can only be described as some kind of Fallout Vault-style social experiment gone wrong.
On a more salient note, the movie will probably be funny. I liked Pineapple Express even though I despise pot.
Urgh, most of the replies here make me sad for a number of reasons.
1) I would not be at all surprised if this was some form of publicity stunt (after all, it's a decidedly average looking movie about a very sensitive, not to mention kinda dickish subject that would otherwise go unnoticed apart from it's douchey format) and NK supposedly getting uppity is a way to guarantee bums on seats at the cinema
2) People tend to laugh at NK rather than have a legitimate concern, which is pretty shaky ethically since they've kinda got the whole "Concentration camp and forced repression that's probably killed around 6~7 million people through experiments and state sanctioned brutality" schtick.
3) As some people have said, NK views SK as an American puppet state, so can you guess who'd they'd rather invade/drop the bomb on? Most of the responses along the lines of "We'd wipe them off the face of the map if they dared to attack America!" Whilst being true, ignore the fact that it would be South Korea that get shafted for a shitty film's inflammatory subject and that raises an ethical question all on itself, in that is it really fair that a fucking piece of media could cause a hella-ton of suffering (assuming the threat is genuine) for people who have next to no part with it?
So basically guys, just think of what "North Korea going to war" actually means. Not only a lot of dead (I mean, they'll win but at this point I don't really think NK has any respect for the geneva convention, so normal wartime rules are not likely to be obeyed) in South Korea, but a metric fuckton of dead north Koreans who've been beaten, yelled at and are living in a practically orwellian society. Those are the guys and gals a war will truly punish, not just the 0.5% at the top of the chain.
1) I would not be at all surprised if this was some form of publicity stunt (after all, it's a decidedly average looking movie about a very sensitive, not to mention kinda dickish subject that would otherwise go unnoticed apart from it's douchey format) and NK supposedly getting uppity is a way to guarantee bums on seats at the cinema
2) People tend to laugh at NK rather than have a legitimate concern, which is pretty shaky ethically since they've kinda got the whole "Concentration camp and forced repression that's probably killed around 6~7 million people through experiments and state sanctioned brutality" schtick.
3) As some people have said, NK views SK as an American puppet state, so can you guess who'd they'd rather invade/drop the bomb on? Most of the responses along the lines of "We'd wipe them off the face of the map if they dared to attack America!" Whilst being true, ignore the fact that it would be South Korea that get shafted for a shitty film's inflammatory subject and that raises an ethical question all on itself, in that is it really fair that a fucking piece of media could cause a hella-ton of suffering (assuming the threat is genuine) for people who have next to no part with it?
So basically guys, just think of what "North Korea going to war" actually means. Not only a lot of dead (I mean, they'll win but at this point I don't really think NK has any respect for the geneva convention, so normal wartime rules are not likely to be obeyed) in South Korea, but a metric fuckton of dead north Koreans who've been beaten, yelled at and are living in a practically orwellian society. Those are the guys and gals a war will truly punish, not just the 0.5% at the top of the chain.
GIVE US A FUCKING REASON. Please, please let them go to war, and have the place just wrecked. I'm sick of hearing how terrible it is there. I don't even care if it goes under U.S. control, I mean, I would HOPE the U.K. would occupy it, but beggars can't be choosers.
You see it as a third-world country, but it doesn't have to be one. You say that the embargo is a hostile act that means that their people can't feed themselves. Yet they seem to have more than enough money to afford to do all those nuclear missile tests and put on shows of force with much tank rolling and goose stepping and other assorted dictatorship war montage stock footage fodder. You assert that it is merely an authoritarian state trying to preserve its sovereignty, even if all that means is that 1% of the people at the top are doing everything they can to keep at the top at the expense of the citizens, the national heritage, the death of any culture beyond the blind state enforced worship of their glorious leader.Nil Kafashle said:
To me, while I do not have expert knowledge of North Korea, I do know that it does have a lot of similarities to a cult. You have the leader who is portrayed as some sort of messianic figure that demands total unwavering fealty and compliance with ever increasingly erratic and damaging demands of his followers. They use fear and deprivation, and a policy of ignorance and propaganda as means to subdue and control the people, while they and their inner circle enjoy living like gods.
The only difference between North Korea and some White Supremacist, anti-government compound in Idaho is that it is far larger, on the other side of the planet instead of within the US, and it is recognized as a sovereign state instead of some nutjob threatening to blow up the government from inside his bunker surrounded by his child brides and piles of ammo.
A leader of a nation, should put their nation's best interests first. Even if it means stepping down and letting someone competent take over. When a government has failed its people, and has had the entire world (other than China which still puts up with them) turn their back on you and your people then maybe that government should dissolve. Then it gets annexed by Russia or South Korea or China or some country that doesn't have its head up its ass.
Do you think that the people would rather praise their glorious leader, or eat? Or become a citizen of a neighboring country with running water and not have to fear a war with them? Apparently national pride, in a nation that hasn't had an identity beyond whatever shit their leader is ranting about atm is really that strong that they would rather suffer stoically, full of patriotism and go down with the ship than start a revolution.
And we who don't have anything on the line can just sit back and call each other ignorant (I know I probably am considerably but I mean well) and shake our heads at the problem like it really IS just like some Collegehumor sketch or stoner comedy/reality show.
who says any of its him?Samsont said:
I get the impression he's got a whole bunch of advisors/yes men who are essentially running things, the guy honestly doesn't look like the sharpest tool in the shed...but then apearances are deceiving and it could just be he has a goofy face
I never said that the US had anything resembling an egalitarian society, it is corrupt as any of them, and far from perfect. I also in no way suggested anyone invade NK.
Ideally it would be more like tearing down the Berlin wall and the country becoming whole. That obviously would rustle SO many jimmies that it probably would never happen. I'm also not saying that they abandon their military, only to do what the majority of the world's nations have seen perfectly capable of doing which it keep it to themselves.
The US could certainly stand to learn that lesson as well, but of course any talk against our military is taken as an attack on the soldiers on a personal level and of course Jesus, Freedom, and Democracy.
I realize that situations currently unfolding in countries around the world have roots in centuries old conflicts, for the most part, and that they are not easily solved.
I just wish that people would just try to not be dicks to people that probably believe that they are doing the best they can, and actually help each other instead of casually threatening Armageddon every time someone satirizes a target ripe for it. That those with the means to do so, and sadly the world more or less defaults to on such matters, would actually do more to END conflict instead of say spending trillions of dollars on 2 wars that accomplished NOTHING as we can plainly see if we turn on BBC news any time in the last month.
Truth be told the only reason I bothered to write any of this is out of boredom, waiting until I can finally play Shovel Knight ._.
Ideally it would be more like tearing down the Berlin wall and the country becoming whole. That obviously would rustle SO many jimmies that it probably would never happen. I'm also not saying that they abandon their military, only to do what the majority of the world's nations have seen perfectly capable of doing which it keep it to themselves.
The US could certainly stand to learn that lesson as well, but of course any talk against our military is taken as an attack on the soldiers on a personal level and of course Jesus, Freedom, and Democracy.
I realize that situations currently unfolding in countries around the world have roots in centuries old conflicts, for the most part, and that they are not easily solved.
I just wish that people would just try to not be dicks to people that probably believe that they are doing the best they can, and actually help each other instead of casually threatening Armageddon every time someone satirizes a target ripe for it. That those with the means to do so, and sadly the world more or less defaults to on such matters, would actually do more to END conflict instead of say spending trillions of dollars on 2 wars that accomplished NOTHING as we can plainly see if we turn on BBC news any time in the last month.
Truth be told the only reason I bothered to write any of this is out of boredom, waiting until I can finally play Shovel Knight ._.
...and there goes my sides...arc1991 said:
OT: I feel like the big plot twist from this movie would revolve around Rogen and Franco's characters smoking some "sweet sweet kush" with Kim Jong-un or something that out-of-left-field...
Then again, someone earlier mentioned The Chairman, which I wouldn't be surprised if the movie credits had the phrase "Based on the movie The Chairman" in it...
Too bad he never looked at the Zombiemap "Five", where he's not only playable but a PROTAGONIST (unlike, say, Menendez in BO2, who is playable in the normal campaign but still an Antoganist)...Samsont said:
And considering that the attempt in-game failed tells me that the US is not only over it, they decide to say "well, back then, we sucked" and shrug.
Even captcha agrees: whatever.
That is easily my biggest concern. Not American soil but Ally soil being invaded.MinionJoe said:
And for what? A movie and tyrant throwing a tantrum over it? Hilariously dark.
Well, I'm pretty sure North Korea knows how guns work and their military intelligence is perhaps also aware of google. Though, maybe they're still using dogpile or yahoo.lacktheknack said:I'm not.Lightknight said:
North Korea knows as much as we do that killing James Franco and Seth Rogen would make about 2/3 of America support a war, counteracting the remaining third that would mail Kim Jong-Un gifts.
As for it making Americans support a war, I have never thought N. Korean leaders have been all that rational. I personally think allowing N. Korea to continue advancing in technology is basically like ignoring a leaking pipe. I'm not as cool with all out war but attacking them likely means defending S. Korea. So reinforcing borders and then swarming the leaders with drones would be pretty smart.
For all that I think we all know North Korea is a completely impotent nation that cannot and will not back up its threats (assuming they are real at all), I'd like to ask that maybe we quit it with our own "bring it on" chest-thumping. I don't see why we should welcome the chance to kill North Koreans just to exercise our distaste for the dictator ruling them.
The thing is that North Korea is a growing problem. If they continue to advance their technology unabated their impotence can quickly change to lethality even if they don't have end-game capabilities.JimB said:
The "bring it on" mentality isn't necessarily a chest thumping notion so much as it is a desire to take out the trash before it starts to stink up the whole house. The social injustices of the nation alone is enough to warrant assistance. The people living there don't even know what they don't have. It'd be like a nation in Europe adhering strictly to medieval technology with surfs and everything and those surfs having no knowledge that just a few miles over they could be sitting in air conditioning with a light to see at night and a milkshake to relax over. It's an de-facto hostage situation of an entire people. In some ways it's more insidious than nations that carry out widespread oppression of certain people groups and N. Korea does that too.
I do wonder what would happen if we managed to take out both the council and the leader at the same time. I almost can't imagine it being any worse. But any kind of attempt to go to war with N. Korea on foot would likely be devastating casualty-wise. That would be the worst case scenario imaginable and would almost certainly require a draft.
