cobra_ky said:
What you call "feminazism" is a particularly extremist form of radical feminism, and it is not a problem because no one credible actually still believes in it.
Notch never even used the word "feminism". Grey only introduced the word in his write-up, and the way he used makes it clear he's referring to feminism far more generally:
Huh, I thought that Notch specifically mentioned it...guess I skimmed a little too much.
Regardless, my point still stands that that is the definition of feminism that causes issues here on the Escapist forums. THAT is what the nay-sayers on this forum think of when they think of feminism.
I may have overstated how prominent radical feminists are, but I don't really have a proper gauge of their existence except through the internet, which naturally tend to show the worst-of-the-worst cases, like the mother of 3 who caught his son watching porn and truly believes that he'll grow up into a rapist, by a woman who apparently believed that all man-on-woman sex was coercive sexual abuse. I can find a source for that if you'd like.
Edit: Forgot to add a small point in here: Even if radical feminists are small in number, even if no one finds them to be credible, they are still a problem that needs to be addressed, at the very least because they can, like in the story I just described, really screw over other people.
Politeia said:
chadachada123 said:
The issue here is that there are several meanings of the word "feminist," and Notch almost-definitely is using a different definition than the formal definition, which is not the same as the common person's definition.
The common definition of feminism is closer in meaning to femiNAZIsm. The 'I'm a woman and I'm better than men, who are all sexist pigs'-type women, who exist in no small number, but are still a minority. This is also the type of feminism that most Escapist members ***** about.
In other words a "strawman", which individuals are comfortable with using because of extreme selection bias.
chadachada123 said:
Yelling at Notch for using the common definition is justified, but ultimately a waste of time in this current climate. Since most other people use Notch's definition, we should just strive towards education rather than allowing anger to appear.
chadachada123 said:
TL;DR Notch meant feminazism, not feminism. We should be sure to distinguish between the two until the rest of society catches up. Feminazism is a real problem, but feminism should be encouraged.
I consider the term "feminazism" to be insipid, it sounds like a bunch of swastika-wearing go-go dancers and that was intended in its creation. The term was created by misogynists and popularized by arch-misogynist Rush Limbaugh -- it's creation was intended to both ridicule feminists and conjure up an image of dread. For that matter, feminists already have a preexisting term that refers to the radical elements in their midst that doesn't require you to engage in the fallacy of crying "No True Scotsman" -- radical feminists or "radfems".
Really, this post makes you sound pretty much as ignorant about feminism as headdrivehardscrew. Furthermore, as cobra_ky pointed out this is not a problem. Radical feminism is an unpopular minority view amongst a larger view which is in itself an unpopular minority view.
You'll note that I clearly said that that definition is what
other Escapist members use. Since you're new here (welcome to the Escapist, by the way), I imagine you haven't seen the billions of previous threads where people decry feminism thinking that all feminism is 'radical feminism'/feminazism. Yes, it's absolutely a strawman, hence my point that we need to educate them on what basic feminism is.
There's nothing No-True-Scotsman about the name feminazi if it's being used to refer to a specific subset of feminists anymore than the term radfems. The only issue you could have with it is the origin, but since the term is already used commonly enough to refer to radical feminism, you may as well embrace it or at least recognize when it's being used to refer to radical feminism over normal feminism.
As far as your claim that I'm 'ignorant' about feminism, you haven't provided any explanation for this aside from an implication that I overstated how common radical feminists are. As stated above, I admit that I don't know how prevalent they are and probably overstated that a bit. Radical feminists ARE still a problem that needs to be addressed, since they can cause massive social trauma in children that they raise (particularly boys) and are a possible source of trouble when seeking for equality for men in the court system.
The fact still stands that they are a wall standing in the way of equality, and they are the reason that many ignorant people rally against 'feminism' as a whole.
Frankly, I don't give a shit about 'history' or 'current feminist doctrine' (apologies if I'm pulling those terms from nowhere, I've seen them mentioned in previous threads). I want men and women to be equal under the law, so I call myself a feminist. You can call me a "Second-wave feminist" or whatever the hell kind of other label you want, the point is that I'm a feminist too and I find your posts worryingly hostile towards posters that could be won over to your side.
TL;DR: You didn't actually say anything with your post other than replace my given word (feminazi) with your own given word (radfem) and call me ignorant. And point out what I already set to point out about other Escapist members having a strawman understanding of feminism. And point out that I probably overstated how common feminazis/radical feminists are, which I freely admit I may have exaggerated. I only have the internet and anecdotes to go off of, after all.
