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I think it's appalling how many people think history is what is in these games. WW2 is a fascinating study, and I wish more people would pay attention in classes about it. Ho-hum
At any rate, all of you jokers who keep saying that the worst thing hitler ever did was ruin the tiny 'stache for everyone, you are WRONG.
Nazi uniforms are MUCH snazzier than that stupid mustache ever was, and because im white and blonde with blue eyes, if i walk around dressed as an SS officer, people think im a racist terrible person. gah!
Hellsing is a load of tripe. The writing is bad, the only good bits were stolen from Vampire Hunter D (and other such better vampire fiction), and it commits the immortal sin of using the name Alucard, which was stupid when castlevania thought it up. The only thing i will ay for the series is both the anime and manga have good artwork.crimsonshrouds said:
You are correct sir, but the generally (and, following the nazi war trials, legally) held opinon is that "following orders" isn't an excuse when such "clearly" inhumane activity is in question. Apparently Nazi soldiers should have thrown down their guns when atrocity became present. They already ran france, they could have gotten lessons in how to do it. Also, playing as a nazi would have gotten the game banned almost worldwide (especially germany)Witty-Name said:
I think it's appalling how many people think history is what is in these games. WW2 is a fascinating study, and I wish more people would pay attention in classes about it. Ho-hum
At any rate, all of you jokers who keep saying that the worst thing hitler ever did was ruin the tiny 'stache for everyone, you are WRONG.
Nazi uniforms are MUCH snazzier than that stupid mustache ever was, and because im white and blonde with blue eyes, if i walk around dressed as an SS officer, people think im a racist terrible person. gah!
Let's not forget one of the simplest reasons to make Nazis the bad guys in video games: the German people have publicly and thoroughly apologized for the actions of the Third Reich, and to this day (aside from a handful on the far-right fringes) the majority don't express romantic sentiments of Hitler's reign. They are perhaps the only defeated imperialists in history to thoroughly apologize in this manner.
This means when you make a game demonizing them, you don't get a rash of public complaints, because they've long since acknowledged their villainy. Whereas if you use any other nation, ethnic group or political faction, you're going to piss somebody off. You might piss off people with an embassy, who might get on TV or in the paper as a result, and that could be a PR nightmare. Even Ubisoft felt the need to put that disclaimer at the beginning of the first Assassin's Creed game because people still complain about the depiction of participants in wars that happened a thousand years ago!
This means when you make a game demonizing them, you don't get a rash of public complaints, because they've long since acknowledged their villainy. Whereas if you use any other nation, ethnic group or political faction, you're going to piss somebody off. You might piss off people with an embassy, who might get on TV or in the paper as a result, and that could be a PR nightmare. Even Ubisoft felt the need to put that disclaimer at the beginning of the first Assassin's Creed game because people still complain about the depiction of participants in wars that happened a thousand years ago!
freedom force vs the 3rd reich went that road allready (well okay... one super nazi... with robots and monkeys....)ZeroDotZero said:
What? You've lost me somewhere in there.yaik7a said:
How is the propoganda different from any other politician? Hell, I'm pretty sure at one point an alabama congressman has even written "kill te jews" on a wall somewhere.Pegghead said:
I think so. Maybe not.
Yahtzee, you forgot that people already have a choice. To BUY the game. What's the reason to buy a pile of shit and then pimp it out? When you buy something, you want it with full content. Why download anything while just checking a box would be more convinient? Oh yeah I forgot about those false curaders of righteousnes...
As for natzis, I don't think they were monsters. They just have a shitload of "bad press" In medieval times folks were doing much more interesting stuff while sacking cities. And gypsies got it as hard back then as jews did during WW2. It's just that gypsies weren't so "outspoken" (having a lot of money and connections would help them too). And as killing wasn't as organized as in natzi germany, the worse thing was that normal people were killing gypsies (and jews) as a good and healthy pastime.
Of course SS was a special bunch of people but such brainwashed organizations were happening all across the history.
Probably I just like killing natzis as half of my family died during WW2.
As for natzis, I don't think they were monsters. They just have a shitload of "bad press" In medieval times folks were doing much more interesting stuff while sacking cities. And gypsies got it as hard back then as jews did during WW2. It's just that gypsies weren't so "outspoken" (having a lot of money and connections would help them too). And as killing wasn't as organized as in natzi germany, the worse thing was that normal people were killing gypsies (and jews) as a good and healthy pastime.
Of course SS was a special bunch of people but such brainwashed organizations were happening all across the history.
Probably I just like killing natzis as half of my family died during WW2.
Well yes all politicians are going to do whatever they can in order to gain power. But when you think about it it's like comparing the Australia Labor party ads8-Bit_Jack said:
To, well uh...Der ewige jude. An old propaganda film (It was originally an art exhibition) which compared Jews with vermin and associated them with Communism, And I'm not going to post it here for fear of getting banned.
He played to their fears and hopes. He knew what problems people were dealing with, and he made them think he could fix them. Again, you can't hold the German people accountable. They weren't clapping for a mad-man who perpetrated genocide, but for a hope-inspiring leader. It's a bit ignorant to expect them to know what his plans were.DTWolfwood said:strong arm tactics or not, the german ppl cheered in glee waving their flags and doing their signature solute when ChancellorAngerwing said:PalpatineHitler came parading by in the early years b4 the SS struck fear into each an everyone of them.
But hey we've all been there when an idiot took power and dragged us into a war.
Hindsight is 20/20.
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Funny thing is, the last couple of levels is killing just American soldiers. But I think that is a great idea. It would be interesting to see the war from the German point of view.Corporal Yakob said:
I'm wondering, how long does it take before people stop whining about past wrongs? I don't see people complaining and making games out of The Crusades, or the Spanish Inquisition. Just Nazis and WWII. Will it be 10 more years? 20? Or will WWII manage to keep being bitched on and have games made out of it until the world stops spinning?
The Nazi's were evil, but Yahtzee makes a good point. After over a hundred games that feature the Nazi's as the main villians, it really does start to get old and makes the creators of those games look lazy in the story development department. Creators of games, movies, and tv shows need to start showing more orginality.
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arent we forgetting that a propper nazi would hate everything to much to care what you thought about him anyway?
most germans were just swept up in a hatred movement because they were in a bad place economically and used a new wave of migrant workers as targets, they weren't all die hard nazis
its a good point about nazi's being lazy writing
i mean if i pitched a novel where the protagonist has to fight against an invading force of people from another country then I might have a shot at getting it sold but then if the publisher asks me why the force is invading his country and I replied, "cause they are just evil, trust me..." then I would get thrown the hell out of the publishers without a second thought
but because its history its ok?
hmm
most germans were just swept up in a hatred movement because they were in a bad place economically and used a new wave of migrant workers as targets, they weren't all die hard nazis
its a good point about nazi's being lazy writing
i mean if i pitched a novel where the protagonist has to fight against an invading force of people from another country then I might have a shot at getting it sold but then if the publisher asks me why the force is invading his country and I replied, "cause they are just evil, trust me..." then I would get thrown the hell out of the publishers without a second thought
but because its history its ok?
hmm
This is the core point he was trying to make right here, though I'm sure the vast majority of this thread (being a thread on an Internet Forum) would rather dwell on the greatly-conflicting-with-popular-sentiment truth that atrocities were committed constantly throughout history that match or exceed that of the Holocaust. There's a great deal more villains you can pull out of history than video games would have us believe, but by and large video games are hesistant to use them... probably because many of them are still in power.Yahtzee said: