Opinions you have that most people don't agree with.
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Role playing games should not have voice acting for your own characters at all.
You relate much better to a game avatar if they aren't voiced, you feel more like YOU are the one the game is talking to, not some pre-voiced avatar. The system used for dialog should be like that of Fallout 3, Fallout new vegas, kotor 1, kotor 2 and dragon age: origins, which is to say you decide from a list of sentences/responses.
I also think crysis 2 has crap graphics and that the traditional MMORPG combat mechanic sucks ass and is very boring.
And all non-strategy games should make movement based on using the WASD keys, not the mouse, you can't get into a game if it's just CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK.
You relate much better to a game avatar if they aren't voiced, you feel more like YOU are the one the game is talking to, not some pre-voiced avatar. The system used for dialog should be like that of Fallout 3, Fallout new vegas, kotor 1, kotor 2 and dragon age: origins, which is to say you decide from a list of sentences/responses.
I also think crysis 2 has crap graphics and that the traditional MMORPG combat mechanic sucks ass and is very boring.
And all non-strategy games should make movement based on using the WASD keys, not the mouse, you can't get into a game if it's just CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK.
It's not that it's unpopular in the way that people will disagree and say he sucks, it's just that to many people don't know about himmikev7.0 said:
That depends though. I mean for one thing, sexual harrassment DOES happen all the time all over the world. It's an issue that is very serious for lots of people. So to see it depicted in a game as something frivolous and fun might to the outsider appear really offensive.squeekenator said:
Besides in this case it isn't a politically incorrect joke that everyone can appreciate like in the style of say, Mel Brooks.
It's a depiction of women being used as sex objects for the sake of laughs, which to an outside female audience looks a hell of a lot more like we as a gaming community are laughing AT them, not WITH them. They ARE the joke, not a part of it.
Seriously dude, 'Capture the Babe' goes beyond just being a joke because it's a competative gametype intended to be played by millions of people the world over. Is it a joke? Yes, of course. But it's also a tasteless joke, and one that has certainly proven to be off putting for the female audience.
Just because 'there's discrimination based jokes everywhere' doesn't make more discrimination jokes okay. In fact, I feel the opposite applies. Some things shouldn't be joked about, hence why I can't stand some episodes of Drawn Together where they make a random comment that ridicules civil war victims in Africa because like, seriously?
Overpaid over privelledged white people in America make jokes about people who have to suffer through hell every single day for shock value = comedy?
How about = assholes?
Same applies here for me. All of the games marketting is to do with objectifying women, from the launch at the stip club, to the booth babes at that gaming event, to Capture the Babe and now this new shooting game that makes women strip. It's really getting on my nerves.
You can say that it's trying to be funny and clever but here's something to understand:
These are ADVERTISEMENTS and in advertising all jokes, writing, music and visuals are all incidental... all they want to do is sell you something. That's it.
Google 'Retro Sexism' to get more info on this.
Seriously?
I don't take these kinds of 'jokes' seriously. But I also just plain don't like them. Because so often I see really mean jokes get mistaken for as comedy when really it's just being mean and stupid for the sake of being mean and stupid.
Just because I don't find the joke tasteful or funny does NOT mean that I'm mistaking it for documentary.
Yes, how dare they think that racist jokes are inherently okay. If a character or figure in a game, movie, tv show etc only exists to serve as one dimensional racial stereotypes then it's way worse then having a character exhibit only a few stereotypical traits.
It's like the difference between Apu from the Simpsons and that Mexican cleaning lady from Family Guy. The former actually has characterization and depth and does stuff in the story beyond just being a steterotype and hence all the jokes about Indian culture in relation to him don't FEEL as offensive. Instead they really do feel like those tiny innoffensive jokes that actually help feel quite affectionate.
Meanwhile the Mexican cleaning lady in Family Guy started off as a cheap Latin-American stereotype (i.e the annoying cleaning lady who can't speak english) and that's all she ever amounts to. She serves no purpose outside of that stereotype and is never given any fleshing out or characterization. She remains a one note, tired stereotype brought out for the sake of laughing at it.
Most racist stereotypes were forsaken for a really good reason, because people found them offensive. This cleaning lady is just that, a stereotype, nothing more. So now that we know that's all she is in the show, all the jokes feel so much more offensive as a result.
Hell, she's not even FUNNY.
So listen I don't think stereotypes are necessarily a bad thing and cultures can indeed make jokes about each other and have everyone laugh. But if you create a character or figure and have them exist ONLY to mock other cultures, genders, sexualities... even if you claim that it's a 'joke', it's just not a good joke.
Because at the end of the day, you aren't joking about stereotypes. You are just using stereotypes.
Like I said, it can be intended as a joke but if I find it unfunny and subsequently tasteless and offensive then it doesn't matter if I intepret it as a joke or not. Because it still is unfunny and tasteless and offensive and as with the stereotypes example above, there's a difference between joking around about doing something and actually doing it.
Honestly, with the attitude of some of the guys who've defend Duke Nukem I seriously wonder if men don't secretly think that there's an evil cabaal of feminists out to destroy the world. As it stands though the base level of misogyny in our game community is already pretty big, and Duke Nukem Forever isn't helping.
I don't think Duke Nukem is going to turn men into raging sexist fiends. But I do think that our attitude towards women in games in general needs a healthy dosage of GROW THE FUCK UP if we are ever expected to be taken seriously as an art form. I think that if we want a more diverse group of people playing games we have to appear as more welcoming and less hostile and a great way to start is to let trends like this die. I feel that we need to shoot for higher quality writing in our games instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel with sexist, racist and other generally lowbrow jokes.
And perhaps maybe when people say that they don't approve of an aspect of a game we made, we should actually listen to them instead of just yelling 'feminazi slut!' and then going about our business.
You can always place a number between 2 numbers, alwaysFeste the Jester said:
and for number 2 going by your math
10x-x=9x
9.5-.5=9
therefore .5=1
your logic is completely flawed because
9x.99999 is 8.999991
I loved enslaved oddessy to the west. I thought it was the greatest game of the year.
FPS's games generally suck
The PS3 controller is built for tiny hands. Not my Massive Man hands
Mass effect 2 has got to be the shittiest story in a game ive ever heard of and we kept pretending its some "great epic". IT sucked! plain and simple.
FPS's games generally suck
The PS3 controller is built for tiny hands. Not my Massive Man hands
Mass effect 2 has got to be the shittiest story in a game ive ever heard of and we kept pretending its some "great epic". IT sucked! plain and simple.
You are getting all hung up over nothing, it's just like the people who got angry at the hot coffee incident, where if you actually watch in they are full clothed, there is so much worse in movies. This game is rated M, anyone playing it is either old enough to realize that it isn't the proper way to treat women, or young enough that their parents should be watching what games they are playing and explain to them that it isn't the proper way to treat women.Vrex360 said:
you have that backwards, everyone can be a soldier, but not everyone can be a sexist pig. You have to be raised to be a sexist pig, Humans instinctively know how to fight.
I'm not worried about whether or not people will take this as literal interpretation. No I don't think that this game is expecting to be retitled 'Duke Nukem's guide to ethical treatment of women'.artanis_neravar said:
I KNOW it's a joke. I know that people are going to be old enough to get that this isn't the way to treat women. My argument was that just because it is a joke doesn't make it okay. It's still stupid, smutty, sexist and immature and appeals to the very lowest common denominator for comedy. It makes us as an industry look bad and gives ammo to the argument that games are immature wastes of time and energy.
It's still sexist. Regardless of whether it's a joke and regardless of whether people take it seriously or not. The imagery is still sexist, the attitude is still sexist, the way it was marketted is still sexist and the way it is implimented is still sexist.
Duke Nukem Forever is sexist. It's immature sexist drivel, nothing more.
... Okay I'm sorry for that outburst, it's just that this issue pisses me off so much. I suppose being raised in a very pro feminist household with two older sisters might have something to do with it. But all the same, I don't like the whole 'Capture the Babe' business as the convienient label of 'joke' or 'satire' that people think magically makes it all go away.
Just because Duke Nukem won't actually turn boys into misognists doesn't mean I approve of its content.
But all the same, I'm sorry if I came across as rude or offensive. I try my best not to be but every now and then I get agitated.
Also by the way, you don't have to be raised as a sexist to be a sexist. To be honest I've seen a lot of guys out there who say really sexist stuff and don't even understand why it's sexist. All you need to do to be sexist is to have a considerable bias against the opposite sex. And that's something that can happen as a result of influence of society or even personal bias, not just being told from age four 'alright son, time to learn the lesson about why you should hate women'.
Meanwhile, not everyone, especially not in the games community, is physically fit or capable of being an efficiant soldier. Overweight people, the handicapped, short, flat footed etc.
EDIT: And by the way, I'm going to bed now. I need to rest for I must go to work tomorrow. So please put debate on hold until I am able to reach you.
I dislike Baldur's Gate and Fallout 3. Both games have an awkward turn based combat.
I think everybody should like everybody.
Living without any pride is the way to go.
All drugs should be legal so we can end drug wars.
I like the many ideas that come out of religious texts (love your fellow man and such) but I'm against organized religion. They just become too powerful and become too strict that it loses meaning.
I think everybody should like everybody.
Living without any pride is the way to go.
All drugs should be legal so we can end drug wars.
I like the many ideas that come out of religious texts (love your fellow man and such) but I'm against organized religion. They just become too powerful and become too strict that it loses meaning.
Heh, I had very similar beliefs a few years ago, but I eventually started questioning the belief in god itself, things like "Why do I believe in him in the first place?" "Why should I believe in something with no proof of it's existence?" "Why, if god is such a nice and powerful guy, is there pain, suffering, death and stuff like that? Even little bugs that eat the eyes of living sheep in an incredibly painful manner. Is he unable or is he unwilling to stop these things? If he is either, why cherish him?" etc.Krantos said:
Not saying that your beliefs are stupid or unthoughtful, just sharing my own experience with it.
Twilight was awful (i read them, because i wanted to know what all the hype was about.) the writing was awful and the story was about a girl who needed a man to do everything for and to be happy! thats terrible!! it does a disservice to all the strides women have taken to receive better parity.artanis_neravar said: