Overlord 2
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I must say, this has really allowed our dear Benjamin to explain further his thoughts. Most points I agree with, but I do feel that a character does't have to be useful to gameplay to be likable, they just have to make them important to the story and the character your in control with. Plus make the main guy/girl likable as well, that helps.
I wonder if main character from Prototype is actually more evil than Overlord himself - he eats people's faces Oo
I find "YOU ARE VERY SAD NOW" very funny. In Fallout 3 when reunitied with the long lost father, you can kill him and the game won't bring "YOU LOVE HIM TOO MUCH" sign in order for you to stop.
I wasn't sure if dicking in dicking-free zones was a bad thing, untill I remembered how much fun is to commit unscript genocide even if it will foce you to load save from 2 hours ago afterwards.
I guess some people just have that teamkiller in them that makes them do friendly fire as often as possible
I know that a good pair of boobs is something nice to have in a game, but it shouldn't be the main focus of woman in game when there's porn for that.
I find "YOU ARE VERY SAD NOW" very funny. In Fallout 3 when reunitied with the long lost father, you can kill him and the game won't bring "YOU LOVE HIM TOO MUCH" sign in order for you to stop.
I wasn't sure if dicking in dicking-free zones was a bad thing, untill I remembered how much fun is to commit unscript genocide even if it will foce you to load save from 2 hours ago afterwards.
I guess some people just have that teamkiller in them that makes them do friendly fire as often as possible
I know that a good pair of boobs is something nice to have in a game, but it shouldn't be the main focus of woman in game when there's porn for that.
Just found this game is only about farming and getting married. I won't be playing it.The Atheist Knight said:
Well, if one takes the ZERO punctuation from the videos and adds the EXTRA punctuation from the articles, then one has the right amount of punctuation, right?Mercernary said:
Pod"casts" on Australian Gamer [http://www.australiangamer.com/podcast/], the one mentioning Joss Whedon is September 6, 2008; all podcasts with Yahtzee mention him in the description (except for podcast 117, I think).CapnJack said:
You might want to give those podcasts a listen, especially the ones with guest stars -- they're always amusing.
I hope yathzee takes one of the following directions with this:
1. Bring more depth to the review he made, and maybe even responds to the comments given on the vid.
2. Talk about other games.
Less "quick jokes" seems to fit writing better.
1. Bring more depth to the review he made, and maybe even responds to the comments given on the vid.
2. Talk about other games.
Less "quick jokes" seems to fit writing better.
Oh Yahtzee, have you been playing too many open world games? Because that is all this is telling me. Overlord 2 is not an open world game, it doesn't try to be, you are playing a very specific character with their own personality, agenda, and motives. The game doesn't care what you think of the mistresses, just that you recognize that is who he is into, how will you have him go about it?
I understand you are not a fan of this sort of thing, and that's fine, I don't care when people don't like what I like, but it would be nice to see you blasting this game as it stands, and not as an open world game, which it is not, nor does it try to be.
It would actually be most accurate to compare this game to Pikman than it is to compare it to Fable II, but whatever, the escapist has given you a nice soap box so it would be a shame not to use it and we all know you don't give a shit what any of us think anyway, just hope you know that judging a game as if it were a completely different genre makes you look pretty lousy. It's a linear action/strategy thing, not open world.
I understand you are not a fan of this sort of thing, and that's fine, I don't care when people don't like what I like, but it would be nice to see you blasting this game as it stands, and not as an open world game, which it is not, nor does it try to be.
It would actually be most accurate to compare this game to Pikman than it is to compare it to Fable II, but whatever, the escapist has given you a nice soap box so it would be a shame not to use it and we all know you don't give a shit what any of us think anyway, just hope you know that judging a game as if it were a completely different genre makes you look pretty lousy. It's a linear action/strategy thing, not open world.
I agree with Yahtzee 100%. While I haven't tried Overlord 2, I have tried the original and Fable 2, and I had the same problem. I just didn't care. I didn't care about the stupid dog, or the characters that would say "oh please help me; press A to save my shop or B to break everything in it!" And making stupid jokes in a British accent doesn't make a game, or it's characters, likable.
"Firstly, they assume that a player's real-life emotions and desires carry over to their in-game avatar, and they don't."
Wow. Just wow. I try to make the same point all the time these days about video games. I also think its a pretty stupid mistake if game designers think that way.
I even wrote a paper for my college class "Violence and Aggression" that used this point, in another way, to say it is possible to not become a serial killer even if you've played a lot of violent games. In my opinion, most gamers are simply not working to use a video game as a "learning tool," nor do they consider it "real." In that case, I was attacking a documentary made by people who primarily never even played a video game, let alone know why anyone plays video games.
We just play video games for entertainment, and when the game isn't entertaining we put that game down!
Wow. Just wow. I try to make the same point all the time these days about video games. I also think its a pretty stupid mistake if game designers think that way.
I even wrote a paper for my college class "Violence and Aggression" that used this point, in another way, to say it is possible to not become a serial killer even if you've played a lot of violent games. In my opinion, most gamers are simply not working to use a video game as a "learning tool," nor do they consider it "real." In that case, I was attacking a documentary made by people who primarily never even played a video game, let alone know why anyone plays video games.
We just play video games for entertainment, and when the game isn't entertaining we put that game down!
I do have to say that half life did make alyx a likable character. I cant think of any oher game currently that has done that. Maybe mass efect.
But dont you think it was kind of obvious who you save? It was a good curve they through in there, but it wasnt exactly a "hard" choice. thanks for reminding me of that game though.IceStar100 said:
I agree, it helps justify his opinions for the trolls and makes them clearer for those who didn't quite get them the first time round.HardRockSamurai said:
I agree with Yahtzee most about games trying to put your own personality on the character. If the game in question has multiple plots threads and dialog choices that actually effect the game (Deus Ex, and to a greater effect in terms of plot(although the game was not so good), Invisible War). But if the game has a fairly linear storyline and game design, then there needs to be some motivation there.
I think a few good points have been made by Yahtzee. To care is a process. When you are in or reading a story, the characters and situation must be compelling to have any real effect. If a supposedly tragic story takes away or damages what you don't care about (Joss Whedon sass character) why will you feel anything less than offence at being forced to react?
That type of assumption, help this and that person for no real reason with little option to do otherwise, permeates badly written D&D adventures. You want to help such and such, they are a new acquaintance who seem okay, but not especially interesting. Proceed hero, I hold the carrot of xp and stuff-questing before you (muppet). The worst examples of this I can recall was from a pre-gen adventure. A merchant has lost his horse, taken by raiders. He is insulting yet wants it retrieved. Why would anyone assist? To decapitate and wear the horse head back into town would not satisfy the quest. The second one was a series of incidents inflicting a town on the frontier. The sheriff who always asked the pcs for help (so the story went) was a coward who did his best to not assist them at all. Naturally care did not arise for the poor village and their sheriff as all hell broke loose.
Watching the trailer to Valkyrie chronicles I silently promised to myself that if I played the game, I would march the militia leader woman who arrested the protagonist into the first hail of Nazi bullets. That is how badly I felt the game began, I wanted to join the plate-armoured nazis in killing the first npc.
If there is no connection, sense of allegiance, or even reasonable familiarity then why will there be sympathy or any emotional reaction as the story develops and becomes tragic?
That type of assumption, help this and that person for no real reason with little option to do otherwise, permeates badly written D&D adventures. You want to help such and such, they are a new acquaintance who seem okay, but not especially interesting. Proceed hero, I hold the carrot of xp and stuff-questing before you (muppet). The worst examples of this I can recall was from a pre-gen adventure. A merchant has lost his horse, taken by raiders. He is insulting yet wants it retrieved. Why would anyone assist? To decapitate and wear the horse head back into town would not satisfy the quest. The second one was a series of incidents inflicting a town on the frontier. The sheriff who always asked the pcs for help (so the story went) was a coward who did his best to not assist them at all. Naturally care did not arise for the poor village and their sheriff as all hell broke loose.
Watching the trailer to Valkyrie chronicles I silently promised to myself that if I played the game, I would march the militia leader woman who arrested the protagonist into the first hail of Nazi bullets. That is how badly I felt the game began, I wanted to join the plate-armoured nazis in killing the first npc.
If there is no connection, sense of allegiance, or even reasonable familiarity then why will there be sympathy or any emotional reaction as the story develops and becomes tragic?
