Overlord 2
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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One of the "casts" he was on? I'm not sure what that means. The second part of your post explains nothing to me. Who is Yahtzee talking about? All the characters? Because while some are smug and snarky, I'd find it hard to argue all of them are.imkerrusin said:
And I'm not exactly sure how Buffy and Spike are anything like Mal and Inara.
Heh, I just found a video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4obiNEFtvU] on Yahtzee hating Whedon. It's kind of funny. Is this what you were talking about?
Going back to the forcing us to care mechanic dough, yes exactly like in mass effect. Why didn't i put enough intimidation points to tell Wrex to STFU and just keep on going. But then there was this choice, Your 2 pals from the begging of the game, Either your friend Kaidan who has been with you for allot longer than the girl and probably knows you better or Ashley Williams who you have known for shorter but its an Attractive girl that is not only open to you but advancing again kind of a hard choice, I could never see my self killing Kaidan off dough, i always carry the kid around and love his character. Also the lack of interest i had in Ashley love subplot increased my focus on saving Kaidan, I was expecting more character development out of him, a kid that doesn't know why he is different. people try to change him and he ends up breaking necks about it sounds allot like me also at points it felt more that taking the role of Kaidan would had been more suitable for me.
Yatzee is right about this all dough, telling you that your character lost their whole platoon on a fight is not goint to really make you care, now once you see them loose their whole platoon on a fight and make you choose wich of your good companions is gonna get nuked within a time limit
now that is a good deciccion subplot.
Also Both Prototype and Infamous had a city that i just didn't care for, and this is why I personally like prototype more, because it lets me blow it up with style and much more variety. Like jump kicking Helicopters. Yeah.... but both the cities felt like a bunch of cardboard boxes that needed to be turned knocked down.
Yatzee is right about this all dough, telling you that your character lost their whole platoon on a fight is not goint to really make you care, now once you see them loose their whole platoon on a fight and make you choose wich of your good companions is gonna get nuked within a time limit
now that is a good deciccion subplot.Also Both Prototype and Infamous had a city that i just didn't care for, and this is why I personally like prototype more, because it lets me blow it up with style and much more variety. Like jump kicking Helicopters. Yeah.... but both the cities felt like a bunch of cardboard boxes that needed to be turned knocked down.
I must say, this has really allowed our dear Benjamin to explain further his thoughts. Most points I agree with, but I do feel that a character does't have to be useful to gameplay to be likable, they just have to make them important to the story and the character your in control with. Plus make the main guy/girl likable as well, that helps.
I wonder if main character from Prototype is actually more evil than Overlord himself - he eats people's faces Oo
I find "YOU ARE VERY SAD NOW" very funny. In Fallout 3 when reunitied with the long lost father, you can kill him and the game won't bring "YOU LOVE HIM TOO MUCH" sign in order for you to stop.
I wasn't sure if dicking in dicking-free zones was a bad thing, untill I remembered how much fun is to commit unscript genocide even if it will foce you to load save from 2 hours ago afterwards.
I guess some people just have that teamkiller in them that makes them do friendly fire as often as possible
I know that a good pair of boobs is something nice to have in a game, but it shouldn't be the main focus of woman in game when there's porn for that.
I find "YOU ARE VERY SAD NOW" very funny. In Fallout 3 when reunitied with the long lost father, you can kill him and the game won't bring "YOU LOVE HIM TOO MUCH" sign in order for you to stop.
I wasn't sure if dicking in dicking-free zones was a bad thing, untill I remembered how much fun is to commit unscript genocide even if it will foce you to load save from 2 hours ago afterwards.
I guess some people just have that teamkiller in them that makes them do friendly fire as often as possible
I know that a good pair of boobs is something nice to have in a game, but it shouldn't be the main focus of woman in game when there's porn for that.
Just found this game is only about farming and getting married. I won't be playing it.The Atheist Knight said:
Well, if one takes the ZERO punctuation from the videos and adds the EXTRA punctuation from the articles, then one has the right amount of punctuation, right?Mercernary said:
Pod"casts" on Australian Gamer [http://www.australiangamer.com/podcast/], the one mentioning Joss Whedon is September 6, 2008; all podcasts with Yahtzee mention him in the description (except for podcast 117, I think).CapnJack said:
You might want to give those podcasts a listen, especially the ones with guest stars -- they're always amusing.
I hope yathzee takes one of the following directions with this:
1. Bring more depth to the review he made, and maybe even responds to the comments given on the vid.
2. Talk about other games.
Less "quick jokes" seems to fit writing better.
1. Bring more depth to the review he made, and maybe even responds to the comments given on the vid.
2. Talk about other games.
Less "quick jokes" seems to fit writing better.
Oh Yahtzee, have you been playing too many open world games? Because that is all this is telling me. Overlord 2 is not an open world game, it doesn't try to be, you are playing a very specific character with their own personality, agenda, and motives. The game doesn't care what you think of the mistresses, just that you recognize that is who he is into, how will you have him go about it?
I understand you are not a fan of this sort of thing, and that's fine, I don't care when people don't like what I like, but it would be nice to see you blasting this game as it stands, and not as an open world game, which it is not, nor does it try to be.
It would actually be most accurate to compare this game to Pikman than it is to compare it to Fable II, but whatever, the escapist has given you a nice soap box so it would be a shame not to use it and we all know you don't give a shit what any of us think anyway, just hope you know that judging a game as if it were a completely different genre makes you look pretty lousy. It's a linear action/strategy thing, not open world.
I understand you are not a fan of this sort of thing, and that's fine, I don't care when people don't like what I like, but it would be nice to see you blasting this game as it stands, and not as an open world game, which it is not, nor does it try to be.
It would actually be most accurate to compare this game to Pikman than it is to compare it to Fable II, but whatever, the escapist has given you a nice soap box so it would be a shame not to use it and we all know you don't give a shit what any of us think anyway, just hope you know that judging a game as if it were a completely different genre makes you look pretty lousy. It's a linear action/strategy thing, not open world.
I agree with Yahtzee 100%. While I haven't tried Overlord 2, I have tried the original and Fable 2, and I had the same problem. I just didn't care. I didn't care about the stupid dog, or the characters that would say "oh please help me; press A to save my shop or B to break everything in it!" And making stupid jokes in a British accent doesn't make a game, or it's characters, likable.
"Firstly, they assume that a player's real-life emotions and desires carry over to their in-game avatar, and they don't."
Wow. Just wow. I try to make the same point all the time these days about video games. I also think its a pretty stupid mistake if game designers think that way.
I even wrote a paper for my college class "Violence and Aggression" that used this point, in another way, to say it is possible to not become a serial killer even if you've played a lot of violent games. In my opinion, most gamers are simply not working to use a video game as a "learning tool," nor do they consider it "real." In that case, I was attacking a documentary made by people who primarily never even played a video game, let alone know why anyone plays video games.
We just play video games for entertainment, and when the game isn't entertaining we put that game down!
Wow. Just wow. I try to make the same point all the time these days about video games. I also think its a pretty stupid mistake if game designers think that way.
I even wrote a paper for my college class "Violence and Aggression" that used this point, in another way, to say it is possible to not become a serial killer even if you've played a lot of violent games. In my opinion, most gamers are simply not working to use a video game as a "learning tool," nor do they consider it "real." In that case, I was attacking a documentary made by people who primarily never even played a video game, let alone know why anyone plays video games.
We just play video games for entertainment, and when the game isn't entertaining we put that game down!
I do have to say that half life did make alyx a likable character. I cant think of any oher game currently that has done that. Maybe mass efect.
But dont you think it was kind of obvious who you save? It was a good curve they through in there, but it wasnt exactly a "hard" choice. thanks for reminding me of that game though.IceStar100 said:
I agree, it helps justify his opinions for the trolls and makes them clearer for those who didn't quite get them the first time round.HardRockSamurai said:
I agree with Yahtzee most about games trying to put your own personality on the character. If the game in question has multiple plots threads and dialog choices that actually effect the game (Deus Ex, and to a greater effect in terms of plot(although the game was not so good), Invisible War). But if the game has a fairly linear storyline and game design, then there needs to be some motivation there.