I don't Yahtzee has played the original (he'd know you could choose a mistress that had benefits for gameplay in the first) and so can't look at it in context.HobbesMkii said:
Overlord 2
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Largely, Overlord 2 expects people to care about all those things because those were the things people who played the first game said they cared about and wanted in the sequel.
I had some moments in certain games where I really got attached to NPC's because they were an important element in gameplay. Even if the NPC is just an extra (I'm thinking Fallout 3 followers) I always hit that quickload button once they die. Yeah, forcing the player to like an NPC, when that really doesn't have any benefit or add gaming experience, is pretty stupid.
Yes, that is what the song is about. You may still be repressed; let me know how you unpack the band name "Pearl Jam", and we can work out what number of visits per week is optimal for me to milk your wallet.Yahtzee Croshaw said:
That was interesting and fun to read, guess this was just something he felt needed to be said. Would love to see more, but I guess this was just a single vent on an issue he had some repressed hate for.
Oh fair enough if its your opinion but its not right to claim and opinion as fact in general.MattKirby said:
The essay makes some good points about gameplay mechanics.
I'm currently playing Prototype and one of the central mechanics is devouring people. It's gruesome and nasty and why the fuck would I want to do that?
Because the game rewards you for doing so. Both in terms of story (which gets fleshed out depending on who you devour) and in terms of ability (you get cool bonuses for devouring certain people) and to replenish health.
I feel bad for the people I end up devouring-they're not strictly evil-but they ARE in my goddamn way, and in games what do you do to things or people who are in your way?
The story they give me is just enough for me to feel a bit of remorse about them, and that's the sign of a well executed mechanic, I think. YMMV.
So yeah; give us a reason to do things, and people will find reasons to do them--or fuck with things and that's OK too. But reasons matter.
I'm currently playing Prototype and one of the central mechanics is devouring people. It's gruesome and nasty and why the fuck would I want to do that?
Because the game rewards you for doing so. Both in terms of story (which gets fleshed out depending on who you devour) and in terms of ability (you get cool bonuses for devouring certain people) and to replenish health.
I feel bad for the people I end up devouring-they're not strictly evil-but they ARE in my goddamn way, and in games what do you do to things or people who are in your way?
The story they give me is just enough for me to feel a bit of remorse about them, and that's the sign of a well executed mechanic, I think. YMMV.
So yeah; give us a reason to do things, and people will find reasons to do them--or fuck with things and that's OK too. But reasons matter.
That gives me another reason to look foward to the weekends.Virgil said:
(From the article)
"So a romance sidequest works when there is some benefit to gameplay. That's the carrot. You can marry characters in most of the Harvest Moon games, and your spouse provides you with items or assists you with the farming."
This is the best reason I can think of for caring about NPC allys/friends in a game. Coincidentally I might check out a harvest moon game.
I only got engaged in Fable 2 because the Oakfield demon door wanted me to propose in front of it. ThenI led the lady to the Temple Of Shadows and got some evil points for her.
Like people said, we dont care about the minions we care about the gear.
I dont give a fuck when my blues, greens or red die. But when a Brown that I have had for ages and has full armor and a great weapon dies, i care about that.
For example, in Overlord 1, when you kill that fat halfling hero at the start. He drops a crown and a poker weapon. When my minion with the crown dies, i get a bit pissed off. I would gladly pay to get him back.
I dont give a fuck when my blues, greens or red die. But when a Brown that I have had for ages and has full armor and a great weapon dies, i care about that.
For example, in Overlord 1, when you kill that fat halfling hero at the start. He drops a crown and a poker weapon. When my minion with the crown dies, i get a bit pissed off. I would gladly pay to get him back.
Not that you ever read this, but good stuff Yahtzee. Requalifying part of your Ghostbusters review went a good way to me rethinking that video. And Pat Benatar could totally mean exactly that.
3D hentai? Blasphemy!Tuniki said:
I liked this new feature as this was actually an insightful view that would not translate well to a funny video. This is a problem quite a few games have. Why should I give a damn if someone supposedly important to the main character dies if I don't care about the main character.
