Pakistan Bans Facebook Over "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day"

[Cliff_m85]

First of all I'd like people to read this http://www.cracked.com/article_18510_6-supposedly-ancient-traditions-that-totally-arent.html to see that first of all, islam extremism is actually a more modern thing. Secondly to this quote

Define 'provacative'.

And why not be provacative just to be provacative? Isn't that what Lenny Bruce did? And he helped every single person in America by being provacative.

I can make fun of whatever I want. If I were to pull away from one subject, that would be even more disrespectful because it suggests that, well, everyone else can handle it but you're too much of a child to so I'll back off. No. That's even more disrespectful.

I would have less problems with the facebook page if it was in reaction to something that westerners didn't start. We all know that south park created that episode probably knowing that they would get death threats. in fact anyone else remember their family guy episode? So this is where its at fault. I would have no problem if your being provocative in reply to something they had said. For example http://blogcritics.org/culture/article/muslim-clerics-uncovered-meat-remarks-spark/ If in response to this comment all the women of australia got infront of the clerics house in bikini's that would be something that i'd be all too happy to support. But since south park started all this by insulting a religion because they could, I have a problem with this type of provocation. (note i haven't seen the episode with mohammed in it)

So, in your moral observation, those scribbling on paper are worthy of death threats. *shrugs* If you say so.

Beauty, too. Since you state that you don't even know what you're talking about. The episode in question was ultimately respectful of Muhammad. They even proved their point of "religion is fair game" by depicting Buddha snorting coke (no threats from Buddhists, oddly) and Jesus watching pornography (no threats from Christians, oddly). Muhammad wasn't mocked in any form, honestly.

 

[blarg363]

It is very odd that they decided on two different courses for the same problem IMO, or am I missing some significant differences.

Maybe india asked reeeeeally nice

 

[tkioz]

I'm a religious person myself but this is a perfect example why religion, any religion, has no business at all in the running of nations.

This disgusts me, yes I understand why Muslims are upset over the "draw Mohammed day" thing, I really do, but to threaten death over it? they should worry about their own souls first.

 

[lostzombies.com]

Your freedom of religion ends where my freedom of expression begins. Here in the Western World, sacrilege is NOT a crime. I could post a picture of various religious figures sodomizing each other, and there is NO LEGAL ACTION WHATSOEVER that adherents of those religions could take other than call me names. At that point, however, I'd probably have a pretty strong case for a defamation of character lawsuit.

Apart from Ireland...where they just introduced a bill that makes blasphemy an offense punishable by up to 25,000 euros (about $30,000?)

way to go Ireland...

 

[Nadiril]

I'm not saying its worthy of death threats what im saying is that they knew that they would get them from the start. If you remember their episode of family guy showing it all they had was mohammed having a cup of tea. So don't tell me that they thought they weren't going to get shit like this and im not agreeing with the muslim's either. I don't think it deserved death threats, but im just saying that creators knew that it was insulting. Muslims haven't gotten to the point where most other religions simply stopped giving a fuck about what shows like south park say and do and unfortunately stuff like this helps the fundamentalists in their arguement to shut themselves off from the west.

 

[IHateDaManSkirt]

No, that's damn hypocritical

If someone in India wants to view the page, Facebook shouldn't tell them they can't

I laughed at this. If my mother were to here about this, she would rant about how Muslims invaded us, separated themselves from us and now Facebook is censoring things specifically for them. Odd how they did it in India, but not Pakistan, where the problem lies. Most people in India can just go to the Computer store and learn about proxies easily enough.

As one of those 115,000 fans who actually drew a picture of Mohammed, I say bring it on Pakistan and you other bitchy muslims. Here in the western world, and America especially, we have Freedom of Speach and Expression. Now, unless my expression causes you PHYSICAL HARM, you can ***** all you want but I don't have to do shit to accomodate you. Go ahead and threaten death, I support the rights of any person to say what they want to whomever they want. However, if you act on it, as you crazy extremist muslims tend to do, well then you are commiting an actual crime against an actual person, not a mythic figure that can take care of himself. And that is a big no no, which means you are going to burn in hell, if it actually exists.

Antagonizing ghosts, eh? You do know extremists aren't reading your post, right? From what I see you are Christian or agnostic. You seem to make something of a logical progression( even if you are {if I were to be kind} somewhat racist) and I do agree with you. But, your last 2 sentences are a bit...uhhh...extremist-like. Yes, that's right, you are somewhat of an extremist. You drew a picture of a religious figure, not for any reason other than to antagonize members of a COMPLETELY SANE AND RESPECTABLE religion. You did not draw it to support the rights of people. We all know that.(Elsewise, you are an ignoramus{I've wanted to say that forever.}, my friend.)
No offense to you, just need to rant sometimes.

 

[jojoemon]

Fault of facebook for harboring retarded people. Why? Why would anyone do that? Just to offend someone by trivialising their religion? That's called being a dumbfuck. Or other deragatory term, the people who made that group probably fit a lot of them.

 

[NickCooley]

Who cares? Let it be pulled. The damn thing was just childish. I've seen the page and I can safely bet the VAST majority of the fans didn't give two shits about freedom of speech and were just fans so they could "fuck teh ebil brown rag eads" (Muslims to those of us that aren't scum). Bah, I'd pay good money to see them parachuted into the middle of Pakistan. In handcuffs. Draped in pork. With the pictures of Mohammed they wanted to draw so badly stuffed into every orifice.

Now THAT would warrant a fan page.

Edit:

This page was created for the discussion of ISLAMIC TYRANNY.

Have a question/idea/death threat for Infidel Bear? Want to send me some Mohammad pics? I can be reached at [email protected]

Allahu Akbear!

That's the description of the page. Further reading also shows that the Jihadwatch fan page is one of their favorites. Yeah. Really fighting for freedom of speech there.

I hope they burn.

 

[Cliff_m85]

I'm not saying its worthy of death threats what im saying is that they knew that they would get them from the start. If you remember their episode of family guy showing it all they had was mohammed having a cup of tea. So don't tell me that they thought they weren't going to get shit like this and im not agreeing with the muslim's either. I don't think it deserved death threats, but im just saying that creators knew that it was insulting. Muslims haven't gotten to the point where most other religions simply stopped giving a fuck about what shows like south park say and do and unfortunately stuff like this helps the fundamentalists in their arguement to shut themselves off from the west.

Let 'em. They'll crawl to us for technology eventually. We'll gladly accept their females to come to our country and experience REAL freedom.

 

[Nadiril]

Let 'em. They'll crawl to us for technology eventually. We'll gladly accept their females to come to our country and experience REAL freedom.

Its all well and good to say that, but i mean they already have our technology. We give it to them freely, and we accept immigrants from Muslim countries. Maybe not in america but in plenty of other countries. Where for example in britain its the second biggest form of religion with 2.1 million muslims. And lo and behold alot of them still wear their veils.

 

[mrdude2010]

Isnt Hindu the prominent religion in India?

yes. making facebook's decision even more silly... im pretty sure something like 55% is hindu, 35% muslim, 10% other but im not completely sure and im too lazy to check

 

[pneuma08]

I'm not saying its worthy of death threats what im saying is that they knew that they would get them from the start. If you remember their episode of family guy showing it all they had was mohammed having a cup of tea. So don't tell me that they thought they weren't going to get shit like this and im not agreeing with the muslim's either. I don't think it deserved death threats, but im just saying that creators knew that it was insulting. Muslims haven't gotten to the point where most other religions simply stopped giving a fuck about what shows like south park say and do and unfortunately stuff like this helps the fundamentalists in their arguement to shut themselves off from the west.

Let 'em. They'll crawl to us for technology eventually. We'll gladly accept their females to come to our country and experience REAL freedom.

Ergh, the real problem for oppressed peoples is that they can't leave, or don't know that life can be better due to lack of information that is forbidden to them.

If it only were so simple. Even freedom of speech is all about the transfer of information freely (no matter how objectionable, although the line is drawn at dangerous). That's why it's so important, which is why so many people stand up to defend all these trolls and hate-mongers along with the well-meaning-if-perhaps-misplaced individuals of this stunt.

 

[ezeroast]

Islam is a messed up path anyway, whole bunch of do as I say, or I kill you!

As opposed to do as i say otherwise after you die i will torture you forever.

 

[Nadiril]

Islam is a messed up path anyway, whole bunch of do as I say, or I kill you!

As opposed to do as i say otherwise after you die i will torture you forever.

Or the do as the law says or be sent to jail

 

[thethingthatlurks]

It seems a lot of people missed the point entirely. We want to provoke the extremists, we want them to threaten us with death, all over a bloody picture. We want to show the world just how pathetic they are, how these demented cowards could hold no sway over us, how our freedom would beat they mindless bigotry any day. We have succeeded.
As for drawing comparisons between EDM (let's make this acronym standard, yes?) and burning flags/bibles/crosses/whatever, YES! That is precisely the point, we have the freedom to do that as well, and any vitriolic reaction on the part of the offended religion/organization only affirms a) that they are laughable for getting offended over such a trivial thing, and b) that no holy-anything's directions will trump the values that free nations hold so dear. I say we make EDM an annual event, along with bible burning, flag desecration, and anything else some religion finds appalling enough to get their most rabid members outraged. Freedom!!!

As for Facebook, the Pakistani government blocked it, so there was nothing it could do. The Indian government did not block it, but asked for the page to be blocked. FB caving in to that was pathetic, and indeed hypocritical. But hey, the Indians asked nicely, didn't they?

Oh, yeah, I am perfectly aware that the often touted freedom of speech is actually quite limited in the US, but at least nobody will attempt to kill me for calling elected official X a twat in public.

 

[chaos order]

i think that the page should not be censored(i feel a bad burning sensation inside), however i find that everyone on that page is being a little bit of a dick. thy are simply doing this in order to piss people off without discretion. they dont care if they insult normal muslims or extremists ,they just want to insult muslims in general.


on a side note: alot of people here rag on religion, saying it is obsolete and we have the miracle of science to explain how the world works. Although i do somewhat agree with you ( as a muslim im saying this with clenched teeth). But people fail to realize that religion has brought alot of science into the world. we wouldn't have astronomy or even biology without religion for that matter. Yes during the earlier ages these sciences were basic but religion set the ground work for people to try and understand the world and universe around them. i wouldnt go so far as to say without religion we wouldnt have science without religion but religion did help ALOT to help sciences start. YES religion has attempted to stop science (like with evolution) but i think of it as the student surpassing the teacher, the teacher doesn't like it too much.

Religion may have "caused" the death of millions over the ages but it wasn't the religion it self that caused the death it was people reinterpreting their faith in order to further their political or personal goals. I think i'd like to use the NRA's slogan with this (although i dont like them either) in that religion dont kill people, people kill people. science is relatively new compared to other religions so it hasnt gone through this bastardization that religion has gone through. i mean i can think of one example were science has been used to negatively catagorize others. during the enlightenment(the time being when science began to gain popularity as the main tool in explaining the world) jews were labeled as an inferior species rather than a religion and that their death or segregation from society will benefit humanity as a whole. this is the best example of how science can also be the cause of violence, and death towards people.

so yes science has replaced religion as the main tool for explaining the world and that religion should be kept in ones home and not in politics, but it has done great things as well, like spreading morality and ethics towards each other and it is the extremists or the irrationals that choose to ignore such teachings. SO religion DOES deserve respect in my opinion event to athiests, they should at least respect religion similiar to that of a museum piece that has benefited humanity more than being a detriment to it.

 

[StBishop]

People are so quick to jump on the "freedom of speech" gimmick while completely neglecting the perspectives of anyone who might take offense from it.

So out of all of the different limitations and violations of your freedoms of speech, the only one you want to protest is this specific example? People aren't "protesting free speech", they're just doing it for the sake of doing it, childishly poking to get a reaction.

I won't go into details though, since I'll be opposed by everyone here, seeing as gaming communities are the most aggressive anti-religious zealots out there.

For what it's worth. I'm on your side.

Sure if you really feel the need to draw something that's going to offend someone, do so. But I don't think joining a group and posting it on the internet is necissary.

Killing someone for drawing something is a bit extreme but if I said: "Hey, I'm a gamer. If you cancel <insert name of game you really want here> I'll kill you." to a game production CEO and they decided to cancel it to spite me, how pissed off would you be?

Doing this isn't just a kick in the theological balls of the exremeists. Consider who's being effected by these actions.

This isn't a protest for freedom of speech (regardless of the orignial intentions) this is a protest against Islam. Which is not O.K.

Having a different religious belief than you doesn't mean someone doesn't have rights.