Pakistan Bans Facebook Over "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day"

[dstryfe]

At that point, however, I'd probably have a pretty strong case for a defamation of character lawsuit.

Pretty sure ridiculous petty lawsuits are what got the ball rolling on the political correctness garbage that's being constantly crammed down our throats (or at least mine). Just flip them off.

 

[Cliff_m85]

The ironic thing is that some people on this site are actually saying that drawing a picture on a site that one must actively seek out is "disrespectful".

It'd be like me taking a shit in my toilet and having someone enter the lavatory and peek in the bowl and complain about how disgusting I am.

Just stay out of my shit and you won't get offended, people.

You don't take a shit in order for people to look at it. A provocative drawing however...

I can just create another scenerio, but I know you're just trying to be difficult.

 

[The Iconnorclast]

If you drew a picture for free speech and to protest how extremist muslims try to force their views on others, then good for you.

If you drew one because every time someone decides to draw Mohammed extremists give out death threats and people like those in charge of Comedy Central bend over for them, which makes them feel as if they have power over the world, and by drawing you are protesting this, then well done.

But if you drew a picture just to disrespect Islam, then for shame. Islam itself isnt bad, its extremists who take it to far and want to force it on others that are bad.

Still, I support this movement, for the first two reasons.

 

[daftalchemist]

I think it's funny when people expect something more from corporations than watching their own asses and grubbing for money. It's not hypocritical, it's a corporation covering its ass, duh.

 

[randomic]

I'm sorry if there is too much sense being made here.

Don't be so arrogant. I was hoping for an intelligent discussion, seemingly in vain. Meh, I'll just play some AC2

 

[Cliff_m85]

If you drew a picture for free speech and to protest how extremist muslims try to force their views on others, then good for you.

If you drew one because every time someone decides to draw Mohammed extremists give out death threats and people like those in charge of Comedy Central bend over for them, which makes them feel as if they have power over the world, and by drawing you are protesting this, then well done.

But if you drew a picture just to disrespect Islam, then for shame. Islam itself isnt bad, its extremists who take it to far and want to force it on others that are bad.

Still, I support this movement, for the first two reasons.

I'd suggest that all religion is bad because it relies on faith, but different strokes.

Oh look, a woman beheaded for being a 'witch'.....in 2010. Lovely. *rolls eyes*

I did it for reason number 2, by the way.

 

[dstryfe]

It doesn't make sense for Muslims enforce their own laws on people who are not Muslim. I'm sorry if there is too much sense being made here. It's not open minded to restrict the expression of someone else because you do not think the same way.

Hasn't every war americans have participated in since world war 2 been about this...? Tearing down their government because americans don't like it?

 

[Cliff_m85]

Good on Iran I say.
Freedom of speech is fine but this is basically hate mongering. Most of the people who support the page are probably underestimating the religious significance of not depicting mohammad.

It's the same as "piss on a crucifix day"
or "burn a wooden buddha day"

Whoever set up this page is just a troll, except rather than trolling a forum they're doing so to an entire religion. Muslim extremists are called extremists for a reason, they don't represent the majority. But actions like this will probably upset the majority and give the extremists more cause to be upset.


Freedom of speech only goes so far.

The most unAmerican thing written on this topic. Congrats, I suppose.

 

[GodKlown]

Crap! They figured out that Facebook will be the end of all religion and religious idols. I wonder if Friendster still has these problems?

 

[stiborge]

Look, I'm against censorship when it's completely stupid such as when censoring bad language or blood but this is their religion, people! I don't care if you believe in whatever they believe in or not, do you really have that little respect or human decency? It's blatantly blasphemous and offensive, so why do it? It's really disgusting that people would do this because they think it's funny.

It's supposedly making a political statement against extremists, and actually with people making a big deal of it, it's doing it's job better then expected. Also, about you're censorship argument, you can't denounce freedom of speech just because you don't like what someone is saying.

 

[Notsomuch]

It doesn't make sense for Muslims enforce their own laws on people who are not Muslim. I'm sorry if there is too much sense being made here. It's not open minded to restrict the expression of someone else because you do not think the same way.

Hasn't every war americans have participated in since world war 2 been about this...? Tearing down their government because americans don't like it?

Yes, and I'm Canadian.

I'm sorry if there is too much sense being made here.

Don't be so arrogant. I was hoping for an intelligent discussion, seemingly in vain. Meh, I'll just play some AC2

I may be arrogant but you have said nothing to contradict me so I have no reason not to be. In fact, it looks like you ended up getting mad and storming off because you made an error in judgment when you responded by getting false pretty much everything you had said.

 

[obedai]

You people don't seem to realize that creating an image of Mohammed is considered incredibly offensive to them. It is part of their religion. Although the extremists still are nuts and religion is still retarded.

 

[Nadiril]

Yeah but he does have a good point, that facebook page was created specifically to provoke, which it has done. Whilst I am not religious, I do find this to pretty much trolling. Another case of both sides being wrong. The muslim extremists for sending out the death threats, and the people who made the page. Both should stay the fuck away from each other as far as im concnered. Also to all the freedom of speech fanatics, yes i can say whatever i want but at the same time you shouldn't say provacative things JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN. Thats just stupid. That line is used to stop censorship and oppression not as an argument for going around insulting peoples religion/race etc. Just because YOU don't believe in something it doesn't mean any less for the people who follow it.

 

[RUINER ACTUAL]

As one of those 115,000 fans who actually drew a picture of Mohammed, I say bring it on Pakistan and you other bitchy muslims. Here in the western world, and America especially, we have Freedom of Speach and Expression. Now, unless my expression causes you PHYSICAL HARM, you can ***** all you want but I don't have to do shit to accomodate you. Go ahead and threaten death, I support the rights of any person to say what they want to whomever they want. However, if you act on it, as you crazy extremist muslims tend to do, well then you are commiting an actual crime against an actual person, not a mythic figure that can take care of himself. And that is a big no no, which means you are going to burn in hell, if it actually exists.

Well said sir. People need to get over themselves.

Can I get a link to the group? I can't find it when I search. Thanks.

 

[Cliff_m85]

Yeah but he does have a good point, that facebook page was created specifically to provoke, which it has done. Whilst I am not religious, I do find this to pretty much trolling. Another case of both sides being wrong. The muslim extremists for sending out the death threats, and the people who made the page. Both should stay the fuck away from each other as far as im concnered. Also to all the freedom of speech fanatics, yes i can say whatever i want but at the same time you shouldn't say provacative things JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN. Thats just stupid. That line is used to stop censorship and oppression not as an argument for going around insulting peoples religion/race etc. Just because YOU don't believe in something it doesn't mean any less for the people who follow it.

Define 'provacative'.

And why not be provacative just to be provacative? Isn't that what Lenny Bruce did? And he helped every single person in America by being provacative.

I can make fun of whatever I want. If I were to pull away from one subject, that would be even more disrespectful because it suggests that, well, everyone else can handle it but you're too much of a child to so I'll back off. No. That's even more disrespectful.

 

[dstryfe]

You people don't seem to realize that creating an image of Mohammed is considered incredibly offensive to them. It is part of their religion. Although the extremists still are nuts and religion is still retarded.

Christians don't threaten to blow people up over joking images of Christ (like that one of the last supper where the apostles are zombies and actually eat him).

Yes, and I'm Canadian.

I may be arrogant but you have said nothing to contradict me so I have no reason not to be.

Your being canadian and lack of rebuttal, or rather, your use of the former *as* the latter would indicate to me that you agree. This means there are now two who share this viewpoint. Yay.

Also, being canadian is an excuse for arrogance.

 

[Cliff_m85]

As one of those 115,000 fans who actually drew a picture of Mohammed, I say bring it on Pakistan and you other bitchy muslims. Here in the western world, and America especially, we have Freedom of Speach and Expression. Now, unless my expression causes you PHYSICAL HARM, you can ***** all you want but I don't have to do shit to accomodate you. Go ahead and threaten death, I support the rights of any person to say what they want to whomever they want. However, if you act on it, as you crazy extremist muslims tend to do, well then you are commiting an actual crime against an actual person, not a mythic figure that can take care of himself. And that is a big no no, which means you are going to burn in hell, if it actually exists.

Well said sir. People need to get over themselves.

Can I get a link to the group? I can't find it when I search. Thanks.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Everybody-Draw-Mohammad-Day-May-20th-2010/120352401315688?ref=ts

 

[pneuma08]

Spoiler

I believe that just because you think something is wrong doesn't make it so. Your argument is completely reflexive. You're offended by the fact women are forced to wear a veil, ergo it is wrong. You're also implying that they only way you'd be happy would be if they believed the same things as you did. You're lacking the perspective of just how offensive it is for a Muslim to see Mohammed depicted. Be a little more open minded, it doesn't matter specifically why someone is offended. Don't tar all Muslims with the same brush.

Very illogical response since I never said that I was offended by any of the things you mentioned and I also never suggested that they should think exactly how I think. Using Veiling women by law, as an example. Muslims can go ahead and not draw their prophet or show depictions of him. They can go ahead and follow whatever laws are in their book. I know how offended they are by the depiction of Muhammad which is why it makes sense for them to not show him. However, that is a Muslim law, not one that should be acknowledged by western society. It doesn't make sense for Muslims enforce their own laws on people who are not Muslim. I'm sorry if there is too much sense being made here. It's not open minded to restrict the expression of someone else because you do not think the same way. Muslims can be as pissed off as they want. The problem is some are pissed off and think they should get their way.

The Pakistan Constitution disallows freedom of speech such that it dishonors Islam (according to a quick Google search). I suppose in that vein India requesting Facebook to block that specific page is more troublesome, although that's a difficult law question for India (since India's freedom of speech is limited by "defamation or incitement to an offence").

But when it's all said and done I don't see any reason why this is a problem.

 

[silver wolf009]

Well he is a sacred figure. If they want facebook banned then i wont fight it.

You see, this is really just the beginning, though. You should really read Farenheit 451.

I have. Good read.