Pakistan Bans Facebook Over "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day"

[wargrafix]

He was nothing more than a warlord with a messiah complex.

 

[Doomsday11]

Meh freedom of speech is good, religion is bad, same old crap. Honestly I don't care i just don't believe religion is worth dying over.

If good does exist he'll understand me...

I'm sure if good can take a psychosocial form then it would ensure that everything was nice and happy,now if god came down maybe this would be interesting but he'd probably just say whatever and make humanity go through trials first.
On a side note woulden't it be more prudent to block it from the middle-east first?

 

[punkrocker27]

And on protesting against religious cencorship: Who are we to say that our way is right and theirs are wrong? Drawing the prophet is such a tiny little bit of freedom of speech, and if they are banned, I don't think many people will go "hey, I'm going to miss those Muhammad drawings. They were hilarious!" They want us to respect a holy person in their religion while we want them to respect our right to take a dump on whoever we want.

First they came for the Muhammed drawings, and I did not care because I did not draw Muhammed.

Sorry that was bad but I couldn't help it. I know you understand the sentiment behind that statement though. Me being a respectful person I can tell you the way in which Muhammed was displayed on South Park wasn't even irrespectful. Sure they can have their own way in Pakistan, however misguided or even primitive that way may be, but when shit starts to get censored here it's gone too far. The next thing you know people are getting killed.

 

[pneuma08]

I don't respect Islam. I don't respect any religion, really. I respect people. That said, if I feel like a religion is hokum, I'm going to say such. If you tell me I can't draw a picture, I will to spite you. If you tell me that I can't make a joke about the death of Jesus, I definitely will. *shrugs*

I find this quite ironic, considering that this -whole thing- is about respect.

From what I understand, the whole taboo on images of Muhammad is because he is to be so respected that any images would be necessarily inferior and detract from the man himself (the "extreme" part being enforcing such a view on another). On the contrary, you state that while you respect people, you do not respect their opinions and feelings - if they believe in something that you do not, you say that you will not respect that.

Just an observation. I don't mean to imply what is "good" or "bad".

 

[Cliff_m85]

I do play by the rules, sir. Otherwise I'd be in prison.

I respect you as a human being, perhaps for your accomplishments as well. However I won't respect a belief that suggests that women are inferior and that there is a magic sky-daddy looking over us and watching children starve to death while doing nothing while claiming he is "loving". That I can't respect. You certainly do have the right to judge anyone. It's a human right and we judge almost constantly. You judged me worthy of response, obviously.

You've got a personal angst towards religion, which is fine by me but irrelevant to the topic. Unless of course, you're a "I hate religion, so I'm going to actively mock it to spite them." sort of person. Part of being accepting of others is keeping thoughts that might offend them to yourself. Despite how much you might hate a person's belief, you wouldn't greet them with "Hey man, fuck your god alright?" would you? For the same reason I wouldn't greet you with "Hey man, fuck your close minded ignorance alright?".

I would agree with personal angst, as for the reasons I made above. Certainly I'm not out to actively offend people unless the offense is to prove a very valid point or get a very valid message across. The case with the Muhammad drawing was simply to show that we aren't afraid of the extremists and also to show shame upon Viacom. A small vocal group yelled about murdering individuals that depict Muhammad or make fun of Islam. This has gone on for quite awhile, including the idiocy of the "Satanic Verses" by Rushdie which wasn't even offensive at all. You'd think that our government would stand up for Rushdie, but they sided with the outspoken murderous small group of extremist Muslims and said "Rushdie did a naughty naughty thing" rather than stating the insanity of calling for the death of someone who lays ink on paper.

And close-minded ignorance isn't attributed that non-belief in a deity, but rather not giving the opposing side a fair chance. I certainly have. I just wish people would pay attention to the message of the offense. Lenny Bruce got a bad rap too, remember.

 

[WaderiAAA]

Look, I'm against censorship when it's completely stupid such as when censoring bad language or blood but this is their religion, people! I don't care if you believe in whatever they believe in or not, do you really have that little respect or human decency? It's blatantly blasphemous and offensive, so why do it? It's really disgusting that people would do this because they think it's funny.

Religion doesn't deserve respect. It's a bronze-age faith-based showing of human nonskepticism and absolutely must be ridiculed as it deserves to be.

Why can I question a political belief but not a religious one? Atleast logic takes place in political discussions. Religious ones end with either "Well, I have faith" or "Well, you'll be going to that hot place when you die". Irrational and childish, quite frankly.

There is a difference between questioning and respecting. You can question both Polical and religious beliefs, but you should still respect them both.

 

[Cliff_m85]

I don't respect Islam. I don't respect any religion, really. I respect people. That said, if I feel like a religion is hokum, I'm going to say such. If you tell me I can't draw a picture, I will to spite you. If you tell me that I can't make a joke about the death of Jesus, I definitely will. *shrugs*

I find this quite ironic, considering that this -whole thing- is about respect.

From what I understand, the whole taboo on images of Muhammad is because he is to be so respected that any images would be necessarily inferior and detract from the man himself (the "extreme" part being enforcing such a view on another). On the contrary, you state that while you respect people, you do not respect their opinions and feelings - if they believe in something that you do not, you say that you will not respect that.

Just an observation. I don't mean to imply what is "good" or "bad".

I can respect opinions, certainly. However why should one respect ALL opinions? You certainly don't respect the Phelps family's (God hates Fags dot com) opinion, nor do most Americans. You don't respect the opinion of the KKK, nor should you. I can respect someone who is a socialist or a fascist because it's based on some sort of logical inquiry. I can't respect someone who believes something on 'faith'. I simply don't respect 'faith'. I can still respect the individual, but certainly not the 'faith'.

 

[Cliff_m85]

Look, I'm against censorship when it's completely stupid such as when censoring bad language or blood but this is their religion, people! I don't care if you believe in whatever they believe in or not, do you really have that little respect or human decency? It's blatantly blasphemous and offensive, so why do it? It's really disgusting that people would do this because they think it's funny.

Religion doesn't deserve respect. It's a bronze-age faith-based showing of human nonskepticism and absolutely must be ridiculed as it deserves to be.

Why can I question a political belief but not a religious one? Atleast logic takes place in political discussions. Religious ones end with either "Well, I have faith" or "Well, you'll be going to that hot place when you die". Irrational and childish, quite frankly.

There is a difference between questioning and respecting. You can question both Polical and religious beliefs, but you should still respect them both.

Why? Why should I respect a religious belief that states that, say, black people are black because they were given that color skin for sinning? Why should I respect a religious book that outlines the rules for dealing with a rape victim for not yelling loud enough? Why should I respect a belief that is obviously a false religion written by a con-man who dug science-fiction a bit too much?

No, I don't respect L. Ron Hubbard nor do I expect that you do. But to name off the three, Mormonism and then Christianity, and then Scientology.

 

[Charli]

The idea was good, Extremists can't issue threats to thousands of people all over the world all at once.

However the message was dashed a bit by the court order to ban Pakistan access to the site for the duration.

If you're going to send a message go all the way Facebook...

Sticks and stones, Take offense of speech and you tend to inconvenience other people with your resulting self righteousness. Laugh it off and respect for you grows slowly but surely.

 

[the_pleasure_is_mine]

Meh freedom of speech is good, religion is bad, same old crap. Honestly I don't care i just don't believe religion is worth dying over.

If good does exist he'll understand me...

I'm sure if good can take a psychosocial form then it would ensure that everything was nice and happy,now if god came down maybe this would be interesting but he'd probably just say whatever and make humanity go through trials first.
On a side note woulden't it be more prudent to block it from the middle-east first?

I think they should just unblock it and tell everyone to get over it. The people who created the group are immature, and the religious fanatics are over-sensitive.

 

[Wooody]

"Yeah! Fighting the good fight here.

It is very hypocritical, but considering that Facebook is just a business and hasn't made any ideological statements, it's understandable that they want to have as many users as possible.

Still, censorship should die in a fire. And so should all the religionfags trying to force it on others. I don't give a fuck if you don't eat pork or think some dude is sacred. I won't force feed you pork, or anything, but YOUR restrictions don't apply to ME because I'm NOT in the same little cult as you are. Respect or disrespect, they're the ones who attacked our freedoms of speech and expression, and they should fuckin' get it."

QFT!

 

[blindthrall]

Yeah! Fighting the good fight here.

It is very hypocritical, but considering that Facebook is just a business and hasn't made any ideological statements, it's understandable that they want to have as many users as possible.

Still, censorship should die in a fire. And so should all the religionfags trying to force it on others. I don't give a fuck if you don't eat pork or think some dude is sacred. I won't force feed you pork, or anything, but YOUR restrictions don't apply to ME because I'm NOT in the same little cult as you are. Respect or disrespect, they're the ones who attacked our freedoms of speech and expression, and they should fuckin' get it.

This. There should be one more law in every single religious book:

Thy shall keep thy religion to thyself. (cookie for reference)

George Carlin?

Also, too bad Billion Backs said "religionfags" he has a good point.

 

[Wooody]

hypocritical

 

[Blimey]

I'm sick of fanatical religious zealots getting all manners of crazy. I don't care about your religion. Leave me alone, leave me out of it. Psycho-religious-freaks killing people over a goddamned drawing?

A fascist state, with a fascist religion, and a bunch of brain-washed fanatics who follow it.

 

[WaderiAAA]

Look, I'm against censorship when it's completely stupid such as when censoring bad language or blood but this is their religion, people! I don't care if you believe in whatever they believe in or not, do you really have that little respect or human decency? It's blatantly blasphemous and offensive, so why do it? It's really disgusting that people would do this because they think it's funny.

Religion doesn't deserve respect. It's a bronze-age faith-based showing of human nonskepticism and absolutely must be ridiculed as it deserves to be.

Why can I question a political belief but not a religious one? Atleast logic takes place in political discussions. Religious ones end with either "Well, I have faith" or "Well, you'll be going to that hot place when you die". Irrational and childish, quite frankly.

There is a difference between questioning and respecting. You can question both Polical and religious beliefs, but you should still respect them both.

Why? Why should I respect a religious belief that states that, say, black people are black because they were given that color skin for sinning? Why should I respect a religious book that outlines the rules for dealing with a rape victim for not yelling loud enough? Why should I respect a belief that is obviously a false religion written by a con-man who dug science-fiction a bit too much?

No, I don't respect L. Ron Hubbard nor do I expect that you do. But to name off the three, Mormonism and then Christianity, and then Scientology.

Alright, I guess it doesn't count for all cases, but why is it so hard to respect their law to not draw the most important person in their religion?

 

[punkrocker27]

Alright, I guess it doesn't count for all cases, but why is it so hard to respect their law to not draw the most important person in their religion?

Because when that law begins to impede one's personal rights that's when it's become intolerable. Like how, say, people draw shit just to cause drama, that's when freedom of speech has become freedom to troll. Or just plain trolling.

 

[Cliff_m85]

Look, I'm against censorship when it's completely stupid such as when censoring bad language or blood but this is their religion, people! I don't care if you believe in whatever they believe in or not, do you really have that little respect or human decency? It's blatantly blasphemous and offensive, so why do it? It's really disgusting that people would do this because they think it's funny.

Religion doesn't deserve respect. It's a bronze-age faith-based showing of human nonskepticism and absolutely must be ridiculed as it deserves to be.

Why can I question a political belief but not a religious one? Atleast logic takes place in political discussions. Religious ones end with either "Well, I have faith" or "Well, you'll be going to that hot place when you die". Irrational and childish, quite frankly.

There is a difference between questioning and respecting. You can question both Polical and religious beliefs, but you should still respect them both.

Why? Why should I respect a religious belief that states that, say, black people are black because they were given that color skin for sinning? Why should I respect a religious book that outlines the rules for dealing with a rape victim for not yelling loud enough? Why should I respect a belief that is obviously a false religion written by a con-man who dug science-fiction a bit too much?

No, I don't respect L. Ron Hubbard nor do I expect that you do. But to name off the three, Mormonism and then Christianity, and then Scientology.

Alright, I guess it doesn't count for all cases, but why is it so hard to respect their law to not draw the most important person in their religion?

It's certainly easy to respect their law. However it's isn't MY law. When you tell me that I can't draw/say something, I'll probably draw/say it in protest.

And I don't respect Muhammad, so it doesn't matter to me at all. Infact, my photograph of Muhammad was quite innocent. A circle face with a turban saying "No ham, plz". Nothing grossly obscene at all. Yet I could still be murdered because of it.

 

[WaderiAAA]

And on protesting against religious cencorship: Who are we to say that our way is right and theirs are wrong? Drawing the prophet is such a tiny little bit of freedom of speech, and if they are banned, I don't think many people will go "hey, I'm going to miss those Muhammad drawings. They were hilarious!" They want us to respect a holy person in their religion while we want them to respect our right to take a dump on whoever we want.

First they came for the Muhammed drawings, and I did not care because I did not draw Muhammed.

Sorry that was bad but I couldn't help it. I know you get the deeper message behind that statement though. Me being a respectful person I can tell you the way in which Muhammed was displayed on South Park wasn't even irrespectful. Sure they can have their own way in Pakistan, however misguided or even primitive that way may be, but when shit starts to get censored here it's gone too far. The next thing you know people are getting killed.

It doesn't matter to them if he wasn't portrayed disrespectfully. He is portrayed as a fictional character and there is a holy law against recreating him. Oh, and the reference isn't fair. If they came to place the ones who made the pictures in prison to gas them to death, then of course I would protest. I don't see the point in protesting against the extremists, because they are a small bunch of nutjobs. It is like protesting against murderers. People will think "duh, of course what they do is wrong", but no matter how long you protest there will never be a world without murderers.

By the way, I'm done discussing this now. I think we've both got our views out.

 

[Projo]

I would like to point out this is a totally douche "holiday" anyway. The idea behind never drawing Mohammad is a respectful one, it was to forbid idol worship. They don't visually represent Mohammad because they don't believe that he was worth recognizing as a man, but rather, an ideal. This event was made in retaliation to harsh Muslim beliefs, but there is nothing wrong with the core idea of never drawing Mohammad. Even if the argument is "the good muslims wouldn't argue with our rights", you're still making them uncomfortable. It's a dick move on everyone's part.

Also, the internet is not a pivotal part of free speech. Free speech is not "I can say/do what I want because I'm an American/free/white/whatever", it's that you're free to express yourself. If I posted a detailed account of how I would assassinate President Obama, whether I intended to do it or not, I'd be probably be hauled off to jail. Sure, I'm free to say something, but that doesn't mean I'm free to say it without being reprimanded.

tl;dr, uptight muslims suck, people who take advantage of free speech sucks, and just to be safe, so does everyone else.