I was signer #530. I don't even have a PC to play it on and had planned on getting it for 360 but I'm gonna buy a PC copy and give as a gift to a friend. I totally respect the petition and will support it.
PC Gamers Launch Crysis 2 Petition
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I think I may have come across too bombastic. Apologies. I'm all for reminding Crytek that some of us do buy our games. I did that buy buying all the games they've released so far. And I don't want to slag on them as their response on their forums seems measured and reasonable. I think I read somewhere that the first game sold about a million copies though, so I don't think they should doubt that they have a strong backing among PC players.Andy Chalk said:
And as I said, if they care to release a single player demo for the sequel I'll check it out and see if I'll get it on release or wait for it to drop in price. If they have maintained the quality of the first I'll buy it pretty fast.
This whole situation is crap though. I think the reason I came across the way I did is general paranoia. These days it seems like every developer who makes quality PC games can't wait to jump for the consoles for whatever spurious reason they care to name.
And I don't like that. I haven't used either of my 3 consoles for months due to the general lower quality of games on them, so I'm worried whenever a strong PC dev makes any moves that indicates console games. See also CDP with the next Witcher game, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 2 and so forth. So my apologies for letting my paranoia getting the better of me.
Can I pledge simply to not pirate it?
The only reason I'm not buying it is lack of interest in the title. I oppose piracy and believe in purchasing my titles.
The only reason I'm not buying it is lack of interest in the title. I oppose piracy and believe in purchasing my titles.
I don't care for the trend either. But it's the reality of the market today: consoles are where the money's at. But at the same time, I don't like seeing game makers vilified for doing what they have to to survive. And honestly, the sense of entitlement I see in a lot of gamers drives me absolutely nuts. It's as though they have some divine right to play videogames and if a publisher dares to put out a game that's less than absolute perfection, or charges more than somebody thinks they should, or doesn't put out a demo that includes at least 50 percent of the game's content, it's a green light to steal it.teh_gunslinger said:
I guess we all have our sore spots.
Isn't it Crytek's responsibility to make sure their betas don't end up on the Internet? They should be finding the thief within their walls and smacking him down.
All-in-all, the petition is nice. I'll sign it. But, like dogstile, I'll probably wait for the price to drop before buying the game.
All-in-all, the petition is nice. I'll sign it. But, like dogstile, I'll probably wait for the price to drop before buying the game.
While I agree that a oversized sense of entitlement gets us nowhere I'd argue that it's acceptable to want to be able to play 15-30 minutes of a game, if for nothing else to see if my computer can run the game. In the case of Crysis that seems even more relevant.Andy Chalk said:
Edit: and by that I mean, playing a demo. Not pirating it and playing it. Just to make it clear.
Pricing is another matter though. Any dev or publisher are of course free to price their game however they like. But I think it's also entirely reasonable to make up our own minds if a game is worth the price at release. I know I may be overly sensitive on that point, but games here in Denmark cost more than in the US.
It's silly to demand perfection. I will put myself through hilarious amounts of bad game play and bugs if the game is good. I hold Far Cry 2 as one of the best games of the last 5 years, but good grief is it annoying at places. But the game tried to do something different in a lot of ways and for that I love it. Hell, my favourite game these days is Shadow of Chernobyl. That's not what any sane mind would call bug free. But the game is seven shades of awesome. (Any one who disagrees should read just about everything Jim Rossignol has written on STALKER over at Rock, Paper, Shotgun.)
So I don't demand perfection. But I do like to see devs pushing things (and sometimes failing).
I'd like to make clear though: I don't like piracy (and I don't do it). I just think it's all too often an excuse for shafting the people who do pay.
So I see where you are coming from. And I imagine that you'd see more of that sense of entitlement than I do, seeing as you work for a games magazine.
A many gigabyte file doesn't just accidentally get out of the hands of a developer -- they should be focusing on securing and identifying their own internal security leaks.
Calling it an "incomplete beta" is also kinda lame, considering games go GOLD and off to manufacturing about a month b4 release, hence the Day 1 updates and addons.
Calling it an "incomplete beta" is also kinda lame, considering games go GOLD and off to manufacturing about a month b4 release, hence the Day 1 updates and addons.
A game gone gold leaks in the internet generating a lot of media coverage. An unknown thief still at large, Crytek says "please dont pirate this one like before"? Uh? Publicity stunt anyone?! Well my copy will be legit, but only in xmas. Gonna save me some money now. Put like 250 US dollars to buy games on steam sales.
This may be off-topic, but, you know, reading some of the comments about how people won't buy the game until it becomes significantly cheaper brings a question in my mind whether AAA gaming is sustainable. It costs a lot of money to make these games as big(or long), complex, and graphically detailed as they are, and if the developer/publisher is discounting the game in response to poor sales, that usually means they are simply trying to get as many sales as possible to cut loses. Maybe they will get lucky with the cheaper price to obtain enough volume on sales to balance things out and still make a profit, but that seems a long shot. If the developer/publisher is repeatedly absorbing such loses with no means to counteract(say, by diversifying to other, less costly games), then it seems to me they are left with only two choices, stop making such games or stop making games altogether(they go out-of-business). Piracy seems to only exacerbate the problem.
How is it irrelevant? I was just saying it's stupid to call this a petition because it's not a petition, I didn't say that influenced whether I think it's a good idea to do this or not. What exactly is my post irrelevant to? It's not like at the front of this thread it was stated we can only talk about whether we support this or not. I just thought I'd point out that this isn't a petition.Woodsey said:
This isn't a request, it's a pledge not a petition.
Whether my post is stupid or not is up to you, but it's not irrelevant, it's about the article after all.
I said whether it's a petition or not is irrelevant, not your post, fucking hell.danpascooch said:
Petition sites are just the easiest way to do this, and you could argue that they're petitioning against the pirating of the game anyway - even if that's not what's written in the pledge.
You do realize my entire post was pointing out that this wasn't a petition right? Meaning you are saying my post wasn't irrelevant, but the entirety of the content in it was......how is that supposed to work?Woodsey said:
I thought the group making this petition was calling it a petition? If not then I guess it really isn't relevant, but if they just called it a pledge, The Escapist probably shouldn't have called it a petition like 15 times.
Oh, and chill out man, "fucking hell"? Let's relax here, I didn't mean any hostility or condescension in my post, though you probably thought I did considering 90% of the posts on the site are saturated with it.
Ok who is not adding up one and one?!
True the PC is the platform of choice for pirates, because it is easy. But it never means that console games are not pirated and ran on PCs. Thus making console exclusives will not lessen piracy. That is utter nonsense.
What's even better is that this is a leaked version! Each and every game that is made for a console nowadays has a PC version, even if it is a console exclusive. That is what the DEVELOPERS use. It is just too expensive and time consuming to have console dev kits for each and every developer. Why the hell is everybody blaming PC gamers in this special case?!
Maybe someone read http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32761/Opinion_Game_Developers_Should_Love_Their_Pirates.php and though hey, here is a marketing idea... (Too bad that the post was after the leak.)
Finally, I definitely will not pay 60 Eur for this game, it's not worth it. Maybe when I get a decent discounted version, I can wait, sorry CryTek.
True the PC is the platform of choice for pirates, because it is easy. But it never means that console games are not pirated and ran on PCs. Thus making console exclusives will not lessen piracy. That is utter nonsense.
What's even better is that this is a leaked version! Each and every game that is made for a console nowadays has a PC version, even if it is a console exclusive. That is what the DEVELOPERS use. It is just too expensive and time consuming to have console dev kits for each and every developer. Why the hell is everybody blaming PC gamers in this special case?!
Maybe someone read http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32761/Opinion_Game_Developers_Should_Love_Their_Pirates.php and though hey, here is a marketing idea... (Too bad that the post was after the leak.)
Finally, I definitely will not pay 60 Eur for this game, it's not worth it. Maybe when I get a decent discounted version, I can wait, sorry CryTek.
Well I haven't pirated it... my friend has and I got it off of him!
As far as I see it this is just a demo:
If I like it, I want a rendered floor.
If I don't like it then, I tried it, no money wasted... and I'll take it off of my computer.
I refer to extra credits comments about having a demo
As far as I see it this is just a demo:
If I like it, I want a rendered floor.
If I don't like it then, I tried it, no money wasted... and I'll take it off of my computer.
I refer to extra credits comments about having a demo
I tried to sign it but for one, they've hidden the "sign petition" button and two, their Captcha box doesn't display right and trying to open the audio file crashes my browser. It probably would have gotten more signatures if you could just sign it with your facebook profile.
I actually see this beta spreading as a good thing for Crysis 2 - no different than a demo, a hype machine, and - if Crytek chooses to go this route - it could genuinely use it for more advanced bug-testing on thousands of unique machines, like what no FPS released in the past few years have EVER done. If Crytek said, "hey, pirates - give us a comprehensive list of your bugs, problems, and PC makeup," they could polish their finished product based on these recommendations.
That it got out is a terrible, terrible tragedy - that it's being spread around in beta is good, I would assume. And how many people who enjoyed the beta wouldn't buy the finished product based on their enjoyability of that? I know I would.
I also want to point out the hypocrisy of some PC gamers. Cracking open an insanely complex DRM scheme for a released, US$60 game is considered a moral victory - but spreading around an incomplete beta of an unreleased game is considered damaging to the system? Sorry, you can't justify morality in such a blind, two-faced manner.
That it got out is a terrible, terrible tragedy - that it's being spread around in beta is good, I would assume. And how many people who enjoyed the beta wouldn't buy the finished product based on their enjoyability of that? I know I would.
I also want to point out the hypocrisy of some PC gamers. Cracking open an insanely complex DRM scheme for a released, US$60 game is considered a moral victory - but spreading around an incomplete beta of an unreleased game is considered damaging to the system? Sorry, you can't justify morality in such a blind, two-faced manner.
