Never liked Pewds before now, because he's finally helping everyone see just how ideologically full of shit the media has become. And they are fucking nuts, they are so far up their own ass in their own echo chamber that they need a good beating.
But you see, therein lies the rub.Gibbagobba said:No. It's this kind of attitude that leads to groups like the KKK and neo-Nazis rising to prominence. Just like any prohibition, the more you try to take something away from someone, the more they'll want to have it. When somebody is called a racist/sexist/homophobe/bigot day-in and day-out without any reason or evidence, and they are silenced any time they try to defend themselves, can you really be shocked when they retaliate with the opposite extreme?
Humor is meant to push boundaries, to make awful things more palatable so we can get over them. You can't dictate how everyone else should feel about something just because it offends your personal sensibilities.
Holly, F*** NO KIDDING!!! "Occasionally agreeing on something doesn't invalidate everything else either." Could probably just end it right there. It's such an ironic statement to exist right after you try to invalidate people by labeling them Trump supporters.Saelune said:Considering that people are using this as another excuse to take issue with "SJW's" and "Evil Media", the same type people who support Trump, well.Ukomba said:Wow, you reeeeeally want to make this about Trump.Saelune said:Considering that such people have a President in power they find acceptable, I care because I live in this country and dont want my rights taken from me.Ukomba said:-_- who cares about those people? Stop letting Nazi's effect how you think. I mean, do you hate the Wall Street Journal now because they say they are big fans? You're giving them way more power than they deserve.Saelune said:But thats the problem. Too many people take the joke seriously, and Im not talking about those offended by it, I mean those who now feel encouraged or supported by PewDiePie.Ukomba said:*gasp* I'm shocked. Not all media are false and bad, and they certainly aren't evil. What a terrible statement. :OSaelune said:... all media "except those that agree with them" are false and bad. ... "evil media" ...
Because, context, who needs that.
If you actually bothered to look, his jokes and commentary all revolve around the fact that Nazi's are bad and genocide is terrible. It falls apart if you don't believe that. Sure, maybe there are some extremely unaware Nazi's out there who take it at face value, but then the same could be said about Stephen Colberts old show. The right reaction to those people is just to point and laugh that they don't get they are the butt of the joke.
"Its just a joke" really loses itself at that point. Too many people get enwrapped in these so called jokes, but well...you can only say something ironically for so long before you start saying it unironically.
Bigotry is a big deal and it has only gotten worse since this election. You may not care but I do because if people dont care things only get worse.
Want to know something really funny though? Conservative radio talk show hosts are on your side.
And you're gonna have to site sources and elaborate on that last bit. Cause "On my side" in the general sense they are not. Occasionally agreeing on something doesnt invalidate everything else either.
Thank you, someone here is making sense.hentropy said:It is a little comical how foolish and naive people talk about the "mainstream" media. It's ALL media, you idiotas. Alternative media is just as quick to lie, mischaracterize, smear, and sent giant harassment mobs towards anything or anyone they don't like.
Media by design is sensationalist, when people start supporting and consuming bland, boring, non-sensationalist, just-the-facts reporting, then maybe we'll get somewhere. But that's not actually what most of these people trying to heroically tear down "the MSM" actually want, they just want to sell you their own safe space echo chamber where everything they feed are comfortable lies and political fabrications. You're being played no matter what media outlet you choose, and the only way to win is not to play.
So you showed me a case of Breitbart just reporting news. Wasnt much of an opinion expressed either way in the article.Ukomba said:Holly, F*** NO KIDDING!!! "Occasionally agreeing on something doesn't invalidate everything else either." Could probably just end it right there. It's such an ironic statement to exist right after you try to invalidate people by labeling them Trump supporters.Saelune said:Considering that people are using this as another excuse to take issue with "SJW's" and "Evil Media", the same type people who support Trump, well.Ukomba said:Wow, you reeeeeally want to make this about Trump.Saelune said:Considering that such people have a President in power they find acceptable, I care because I live in this country and dont want my rights taken from me.Ukomba said:-_- who cares about those people? Stop letting Nazi's effect how you think. I mean, do you hate the Wall Street Journal now because they say they are big fans? You're giving them way more power than they deserve.Saelune said:But thats the problem. Too many people take the joke seriously, and Im not talking about those offended by it, I mean those who now feel encouraged or supported by PewDiePie.Ukomba said:*gasp* I'm shocked. Not all media are false and bad, and they certainly aren't evil. What a terrible statement. :OSaelune said:... all media "except those that agree with them" are false and bad. ... "evil media" ...
Because, context, who needs that.
If you actually bothered to look, his jokes and commentary all revolve around the fact that Nazi's are bad and genocide is terrible. It falls apart if you don't believe that. Sure, maybe there are some extremely unaware Nazi's out there who take it at face value, but then the same could be said about Stephen Colberts old show. The right reaction to those people is just to point and laugh that they don't get they are the butt of the joke.
"Its just a joke" really loses itself at that point. Too many people get enwrapped in these so called jokes, but well...you can only say something ironically for so long before you start saying it unironically.
Bigotry is a big deal and it has only gotten worse since this election. You may not care but I do because if people dont care things only get worse.
Want to know something really funny though? Conservative radio talk show hosts are on your side.
And you're gonna have to site sources and elaborate on that last bit. Cause "On my side" in the general sense they are not. Occasionally agreeing on something doesnt invalidate everything else either.
Hard to provide transcripts of radio shows, most don't have them and it tends to be a paid service for ones that do. In lieu of that, here's Breitbart labeling his video's anti-semitic.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/youtube-star-pewdiepie-dumped-over-anti-semitic-videos/
You have a serious problem with gauging equivalence. Defending the actions taken by the most powerful person on Earth, actions that will affect the globe, is the same as defending the video content of an entertainer most people do not know about? Please tell me more.Deathfish15 said:There are just somethings you don't joke about. I guarantee a white guy that says the "n word" in a joke would lose their job; some straight guy making a gay joke with the "f word" would also have their severance package handed to them. There are a million other ways to push the envelope of making a point without making at the expense of another group of people. That is what this is. His PUNCHLINE was at an expense. And he paid the price for that. End of story. Move on and stop defending him.90sgamer said:It is a shame he felt the need to apologize to placate idiots. A joke--even a bad one--is not an endorsement. Anyone who does not understand that is a person not worth listening to.
Your defense of this attitude is the same kind of sickening defense of now President Trump's anti-homosexual VP, his ignorant cabinet picks, and his constant action without forethought. It is everything that is wrong with society because it speaks that intolerance can be tolerated because "we don't take it seriously!". Well wake the fuck up and take it seriously, because it seriously is damaging this country. It seriously is an undertone for members like those of the KKK. It seriously is uneducated, backwards thinking that needs to be called out and not tolerated.
Some of this sounds like a strawman based on not having read into all the details. See, the thing is that the response of "freedom to say anything" isn't coming majorly from a place of hate. The vast majority of people taking this stance are doing so because they've been brow-beaten into submission by political correctness. "Make one wrong move and you're a racist!" essentially.ObsidianJones said:(snip)
Don't know what to tell you. If you want you can go here http://www.michaelmedved.com/from-the-show/todays-broadcast/ and pay to listen to the third hour of Wednesday's broadcast but I'm not going to do it. Breight Bart does run with that the video's ARE anti-semitic instead of actually looking into it.Saelune said:So you showed me a case of Breitbart just reporting news. Wasnt much of an opinion expressed either way in the article.Ukomba said:Holly, F*** NO KIDDING!!! "Occasionally agreeing on something doesn't invalidate everything else either." Could probably just end it right there. It's such an ironic statement to exist right after you try to invalidate people by labeling them Trump supporters.Saelune said:Considering that people are using this as another excuse to take issue with "SJW's" and "Evil Media", the same type people who support Trump, well.Ukomba said:Wow, you reeeeeally want to make this about Trump.Saelune said:Considering that such people have a President in power they find acceptable, I care because I live in this country and dont want my rights taken from me.Ukomba said:-_- who cares about those people? Stop letting Nazi's effect how you think. I mean, do you hate the Wall Street Journal now because they say they are big fans? You're giving them way more power than they deserve.Saelune said:But thats the problem. Too many people take the joke seriously, and Im not talking about those offended by it, I mean those who now feel encouraged or supported by PewDiePie.Ukomba said:*gasp* I'm shocked. Not all media are false and bad, and they certainly aren't evil. What a terrible statement. :OSaelune said:... all media "except those that agree with them" are false and bad. ... "evil media" ...
Because, context, who needs that.
If you actually bothered to look, his jokes and commentary all revolve around the fact that Nazi's are bad and genocide is terrible. It falls apart if you don't believe that. Sure, maybe there are some extremely unaware Nazi's out there who take it at face value, but then the same could be said about Stephen Colberts old show. The right reaction to those people is just to point and laugh that they don't get they are the butt of the joke.
"Its just a joke" really loses itself at that point. Too many people get enwrapped in these so called jokes, but well...you can only say something ironically for so long before you start saying it unironically.
Bigotry is a big deal and it has only gotten worse since this election. You may not care but I do because if people dont care things only get worse.
Want to know something really funny though? Conservative radio talk show hosts are on your side.
And you're gonna have to site sources and elaborate on that last bit. Cause "On my side" in the general sense they are not. Occasionally agreeing on something doesnt invalidate everything else either.
Hard to provide transcripts of radio shows, most don't have them and it tends to be a paid service for ones that do. In lieu of that, here's Breitbart labeling his video's anti-semitic.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/youtube-star-pewdiepie-dumped-over-anti-semitic-videos/
Also there is a difference between agreeing on some things, and electing someone, or in many cases, not actively stopping him. When you support someone who will be leading and shaping many things, you inevitably support their entirety, like it or not.
It isnt like a friend asking you to see a movie and you can decide you dont want to go if you dont like the movie. Its like picking someone to choose all your movies for you, and getting mad when the person who always wants to see bad romance movies keeps forcing you to see bad romance movies. He says he doesnt like them, but thats all he ever talks about.
A bit of a clunky metaphor, but still.
When PewDiePie just made shitty youtube videos, it was easier to ignore him (not as easy as I would like, but still). But he has money and more power than many people may realize, and what he does with that matters, for good or bad.
(Even more so with Trump who is PRESIDENT NOW).
If you dont deal with problems, they usually just grow in severity.
Im not going to do your research for you. You wanted to make a point. Im not going to make your point for you.Ukomba said:Don't know what to tell you. If you want you can go here http://www.michaelmedved.com/from-the-show/todays-broadcast/ and pay to listen to the third hour of Wednesday's broadcast but I'm not going to do it. Breight Bart does run with that the video's ARE anti-semitic instead of actually looking into it.Saelune said:So you showed me a case of Breitbart just reporting news. Wasnt much of an opinion expressed either way in the article.Ukomba said:Holly, F*** NO KIDDING!!! "Occasionally agreeing on something doesn't invalidate everything else either." Could probably just end it right there. It's such an ironic statement to exist right after you try to invalidate people by labeling them Trump supporters.Saelune said:Considering that people are using this as another excuse to take issue with "SJW's" and "Evil Media", the same type people who support Trump, well.Ukomba said:Wow, you reeeeeally want to make this about Trump.Saelune said:Considering that such people have a President in power they find acceptable, I care because I live in this country and dont want my rights taken from me.Ukomba said:-_- who cares about those people? Stop letting Nazi's effect how you think. I mean, do you hate the Wall Street Journal now because they say they are big fans? You're giving them way more power than they deserve.Saelune said:But thats the problem. Too many people take the joke seriously, and Im not talking about those offended by it, I mean those who now feel encouraged or supported by PewDiePie.Ukomba said:*gasp* I'm shocked. Not all media are false and bad, and they certainly aren't evil. What a terrible statement. :OSaelune said:... all media "except those that agree with them" are false and bad. ... "evil media" ...
Because, context, who needs that.
If you actually bothered to look, his jokes and commentary all revolve around the fact that Nazi's are bad and genocide is terrible. It falls apart if you don't believe that. Sure, maybe there are some extremely unaware Nazi's out there who take it at face value, but then the same could be said about Stephen Colberts old show. The right reaction to those people is just to point and laugh that they don't get they are the butt of the joke.
"Its just a joke" really loses itself at that point. Too many people get enwrapped in these so called jokes, but well...you can only say something ironically for so long before you start saying it unironically.
Bigotry is a big deal and it has only gotten worse since this election. You may not care but I do because if people dont care things only get worse.
Want to know something really funny though? Conservative radio talk show hosts are on your side.
And you're gonna have to site sources and elaborate on that last bit. Cause "On my side" in the general sense they are not. Occasionally agreeing on something doesnt invalidate everything else either.
Hard to provide transcripts of radio shows, most don't have them and it tends to be a paid service for ones that do. In lieu of that, here's Breitbart labeling his video's anti-semitic.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/youtube-star-pewdiepie-dumped-over-anti-semitic-videos/
Also there is a difference between agreeing on some things, and electing someone, or in many cases, not actively stopping him. When you support someone who will be leading and shaping many things, you inevitably support their entirety, like it or not.
It isnt like a friend asking you to see a movie and you can decide you dont want to go if you dont like the movie. Its like picking someone to choose all your movies for you, and getting mad when the person who always wants to see bad romance movies keeps forcing you to see bad romance movies. He says he doesnt like them, but thats all he ever talks about.
A bit of a clunky metaphor, but still.
When PewDiePie just made shitty youtube videos, it was easier to ignore him (not as easy as I would like, but still). But he has money and more power than many people may realize, and what he does with that matters, for good or bad.
(Even more so with Trump who is PRESIDENT NOW).
If you dont deal with problems, they usually just grow in severity.
If this is really the battle you want to fight, go for it. The WSJ has put you on really weak ground though so I don't see how you can win. I think that's why you keep trying to pivot this to Trump in this. Just saying, If you don't like how this is playing out, blame the WSJ for bad reporting... and for daily stormer being fans, I hear them liking you automatically makes you a Nazi.
Oh please. Gossip-news surrounding celebrities has been crap since the inception of modern journalism. This thing surrounding PewDiePie is nothing new.Katherine Kerensky said:Yeah, the media is pretty fucking shit nowadays
Human psycho-biology dictates that. It takes quite a lot of conscious effort to subvert that.ObsidianJones said:We are freaking individuals. Where along the line did we forget that and decided humanity should just be easily digestible labels?
If you truly care about Bigotry through Trumps Presidency so much, then fight against Trump. You should have truly better things to do then shitting on a youtube-comedian for making misunderstood jokes.Saelune said:Considering that such people have a President in power they find acceptable, I care because I live in this country and dont want my rights taken from me.
Bigotry is a big deal and it has only gotten worse since this election. You may not care but I do because if people dont care things only get worse.
That would be the case if my argument was about Pewdiepie. My argument is about how everyone is acting. In this thread. In almost everything.Gibbagobba said:Some of this sounds like a strawman based on not having read into all the details. See, the thing is that the response of "freedom to say anything" isn't coming majorly from a place of hate. The vast majority of people taking this stance are doing so because they've been brow-beaten into submission by political correctness. "Make one wrong move and you're a racist!" essentially.ObsidianJones said:(snip)
Nobody is saying that you aren't allowed to be offended by or contest a joke or opinion. By all means, do so. That's what makes a free society work. But where I and many others draw the line is developing a system in government or society that actively punishes, silences, and intimidates people for controversial opinions and speech. There are plenty of people I don't like for their opinions, but I would never want their platform or audience to be removed. That would only show myself to be a coward with a weak position.
At its core, this isn't a right vs. left/liberal vs. conservative conflict. This is the people's freedom vs. moral busybodies who want to dictate how everyone else should think and conduct themselves.
Eh, you have a point about celebrity gossip, but most news outlets nowadays aren't much better, is what I meant.Cowabungaa said:-snip-
Theres a Religion and Politics section on this forum. Some of you might want to notice it sometime. I do have better things to do, which is why I spent all that time before not wasting my time with this guy. You will find no youtube comments on his video from me bashing him, cause that is a waste of time.Amaror said:If you truly care about Bigotry through Trumps Presidency so much, then fight against Trump. You should have truly better things to do then shitting on a youtube-comedian for making misunderstood jokes.Saelune said:Considering that such people have a President in power they find acceptable, I care because I live in this country and dont want my rights taken from me.
Bigotry is a big deal and it has only gotten worse since this election. You may not care but I do because if people dont care things only get worse.
The Media can be shit sometimes. It's sensationalist by design which means a lot of context can be lost if it makes for a better story that way. That doesn't mean that Trump isn't shit, either. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a practice that generally doesn't work in real life, exspecially if you have politics involved. Trump is a lying sociopath, who would burn america to the ground for a bit of profit. Doesn't mean that Pewdiepie wasn't taken out of context by the media.
Aaaand, fuck this hypocritical douche bag.Kjellberg appeared emotional towards the end of the video, at one point appearing to tear up while thanking everyone who has supported him.
Precisely.Vern said:So, he's basically saying he's sorry that people were offended. Not sorry for what he did, but sorry that people were offended. The inability to feel empathy is a hallmark trait of a sociopath. "I'm sorry that you can't see that what I did was great. I'm sorry that you lack the ability to see my intelligence."
Which demonstrates just how unprofessional the man is, and further explains his sense of 'humor'.Makabriel said:Dude.. if you have Disney backing you, you don't use stuff like that. No matter how much context you have in the video. Professional suicide.
Yet another valuable lesson from the incredibly (and surprisingly) insightful films of the 80's, sadly lost to time.hentropy said:and the only way to win is not to play.
Why are you berating me on bringing up politics in this thread, when YOU were the one who brought up Trump time and time again in this thread in the first place?Saelune said:Theres a Religion and Politics section on this forum. Some of you might want to notice it sometime. I do have better things to do, which is why I spent all that time before not wasting my time with this guy. You will find no youtube comments on his video from me bashing him, cause that is a waste of time.
This however is a bit less of a time waster, since it illuminates a bunch of other relevant problems beyond a shitty youtuber.
I did not mean that comment as telling you to not talk about it, sorry if it came that way. I said it because I am very active there and regularly engage in serious political topics, while I feel you and the other person I was arguing with make it seem I -only- care about arguing about PewDiePie.Amaror said:Why are you berating me on bringing up politics in this thread, when YOU were the one who brought up Trump time and time again in this thread in the first place?Saelune said:Theres a Religion and Politics section on this forum. Some of you might want to notice it sometime. I do have better things to do, which is why I spent all that time before not wasting my time with this guy. You will find no youtube comments on his video from me bashing him, cause that is a waste of time.
This however is a bit less of a time waster, since it illuminates a bunch of other relevant problems beyond a shitty youtuber.