PewDiePie Addresses Recent Media Coverage Amidst Controversy

[TelosSupreme]

My issue is this. I don't want to win. I don't want to silence others. I've literally had conversations with other minorities that we can never, ever take away the KKK and other hate groups ability to express themselves because in turn we set the precedent for having our very freedoms taken away too. But I want to use this powerful weapon of communication that we have. I want to sit down and I want to discuss. This sniping at each other endlessly that the world is doing is not going to fix anything.

It will be exhausting to try to respect or even freaking tolerate everyone there is. An impossible task. But trying to antagonize others to our point of view because we felt antagonized by their actions is a fool's errand. It's pointless, and it's lead to the crap show we have now. We tried it this way. It fucking sucked. And it's equally as exhausting as trying to respect and tolerate others. Even more so because we have to lump on the fact that we have enemies.

This way isn't working. Black and White is an old way that never worked. We need to move into the gray.

I must've not worded myself that well because I would say we are basically in agreement. I think my point is not that we should be attacking other people for this (unless they are actually attacking others), but the media that propagates this conflict. They should be our common enemy here. There was nothing beneficial to be gained from their smear job on PewDiePie, especially since it seems to have backfired in regards to the public's overall support of him.

When a few "journalists" decide to make an example out of a popular new media figure - be it out of jealousy for his growing relevance or personal agenda - by taking everything he said out of context, and every other outlet follows their example for the clicks, that's a problem we need to fight. People are sick of being lied to and being told how to think by the mainstream media, and as far as I can tell, this little incident is just the next chapter in their final story.

 

[gigastar]

OK. We have now listed exactly what PewDiePie said and in which context. Now, can we have a list of what exactly each piece of media said? How many are actually asking if it's a good idea to depict antisemitism on the videos from the most popular Youtuber among kids? I think it's important to do that.

Heres a list of the responses to PDP's response. Call me crazy but i dont think they care much about depictions of Nazis and anti-semitism as much as they do about the fact that he called the media out on thier bullshit.

Spoiler

First, thank you for finding this. I appreciate it.

Second, I was searching the ones that accused him of being a Nazi (before Disney cut ties with him). Specially the WSJ article (I can't find it through Google and I'm not going to pay a subscription on their side just for it). I consider that the "article zero" is important in the discussion.

Third, I don't call you crazy; but that was most of the content in PewDiePie's answer.

Forth, The Sun's headline... hilarious for the wrong reasons.

If you dont want to pay the WSJ (and i dont blame you) this video goes through the article in detail starting at 21 mins in.


The WSJ has reportedly been deleting negative comments on the article.

 

[Imre Csete]

Ahh, raging about YouTube celebrities, the salt mine that never stops giving.

And now JonTron appeared again on Sargon's podcast about this, he's totes a Nazi too guys, strike two.

What an amusing few weeks these have been.

*goes back to revel at the world's insanity*

 

[shrekfan246]

ITT: People agreeing that "IT'S JUST A JOKE" and "I'm sorry you got offended" are totes good excuses for putting up literal "Death to all Jews" signs.

EDIT: Also people who once again don't actually pay any attention to what the media says, but still get outraged because of random headlines and all of the whinging that their preferred news mouthpieces spew, which generally hate the media because "BIAS" and "SJWS" and "CULTURAL MARXISM!!!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"!"

Regardless of however he's been "misquoted" or "taken out of context" or whatever fucking other excuse he wants to throw out like a politician running for reelection, the fact of the matter is that he still said or did these things which could be taken out of context in the first place, in many cases in situations where the context was muddy enough so as to not help very much anyway. I shouldn't have to say that normalizing bigotry is a bad thing, or explain that yes, casually using bigoted language does, in fact, help normalize it.

And in case you couldn't tell, I'm not interested in having a "debate" with anybody who seriously thinks that "SJWs" are a problem, or uses terms like "regressive leftist" or thinks that people like Sargon of Akkad and Thunderf00t and their ilk are anything but the angry, dangerous idiots that they are.

 

[CaitSeith]

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If you dont want to pay the WSJ (and i dont blame you) this video goes through the article in detail starting at 21 mins in.

Spoiler

The WSJ has reportedly been deleting negative comments on the article.

I probably misunderstood PewDiePie's video; but I thought WSJ had wrote and article calling him Nazi before Disney cut ties with him. That's the one I'm searching for. I appreciate the effort in bringing the video though. Even if it's not the full article, it's better than nothing.

 

[Vigormortis]

and you just proved you haven't actually watched the video in question.

Actually, I did. I am aware of the 'context' under which he used the phrase.

That doesn't invalidate ANY of the points I made.

 

[gigastar]

I shouldn't have to say that normalizing bigotry is a bad thing.

And in case you couldn't tell, I'm not interested in having a "debate" with anybody who seriously thinks that "SJWs" are a problem, or uses terms like "regressive leftist" or thinks that people like Sargon of Akkad and Thunderf00t and their ilk are anything but the angry, dangerous idiots that they are.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

[CaitSeith]

"Death to all Jews"

Whoa better be careful there. You don't want to get crucified by the media for using a direct quote!

Don't worry. For that you need first to have millions of followers all around the world and earn millions by being a celebrity (like PewDiePie or Michael Jackson)

 

[Zontar]

And now JonTron appeared again on Sargon's podcast about this, his totes a Nazi too guys, strike two.

Keep in mind this is the second time JonTron did that (though this time Boogie showed up to make things even better then last time), though they failed to get any traction when they complained about that given how even with 3 million subs JonTron is too niche .

On a related topic, damn, with how PDP and others have been responding, it's like an avalanche.

 

[Kaimax]

but I thought WSJ had wrote and article calling him Nazi before Disney cut ties with him. That's the one I'm searching for.

Supposedly it doesn't exists, because the decision to cut PDP by Disney was made because the WSJ, as stated in their article contacted Disney first about the issue. Supposedly, after getting the fact that he got cut, then they wrote the article.

So, it's not because:
Disney saw the article written by WSJ -> PDP was cut from Makers -> WSJ wrote a new the article about the cut.
It's supposedly:
WSJ questioned Disney without PDP knowing it -> Disney's reaction is to cut PDP -> WSJ wrote the article about the cut

 

[Vigormortis]

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I really do wish some of you would stop projecting onto me. It's not only irritatingly nonconstructive, it's also insulting.

I don't care that he's rich. I don't care that he's popular. I don't even care that his humor is the epitome of juvenile-edge-lord. And I'm not calling him a racist, a bigot, nor suggesting he's a Neo-Nazi.

All I care about is that he's being a hypocrite. He's acting upset that he's had to face the consequences of his actions. An action wherein he used something he had to know would offend people. So for him to act upset for being criticized for knowingly upsetting people does nothing to endear the man to me, nor does it garner ANY sympathy from me for his 'plight'.

He made a choice and is facing the consequences of that choice. You say the internet needs to grow up and deal with it. Seems more like Mr. Kjellberg does.

 

[Zontar]

ITT: People agreeing that "IT'S JUST A JOKE" and "I'm sorry you got offended" are totes good excuses for putting up literal "Death to all Jews" signs.

As a Jew myself I'm legitimately offended that people are trying to be offended on my behalf for something that when I was made aware of it I actually found pretty funny.

It's like the regressive left has forgotten that gallows' humour is a defining part of Anglo comedy.

 

[CaitSeith]

but I thought WSJ had wrote and article calling him Nazi before Disney cut ties with him. That's the one I'm searching for.

Supposedly it doesn't exists, because the decision to cut PDP by Disney was made because the WSJ, as stated in their article contacted Disney first about the issue. Supposedly, after getting the fact that he got cut, then they wrote the article.

So, it's not because:
Disney saw the article written by WSJ -> PDP was cut from Makers -> WSJ wrote a new the article about the cut.
It's supposedly:
WSJ questioned Disney without PDP knowing it -> Disney's reaction is to cut PDP -> WSJ wrote the article about the cut

So, when did "PewDiePie is a Nazi" accusation/hyperbole first happen? I thought it had been the WSJ.

 

[gigastar]

but I thought WSJ had wrote and article calling him Nazi before Disney cut ties with him. That's the one I'm searching for.

Supposedly it doesn't exists, because the decision to cut PDP by Disney was made because the WSJ, as stated in their article contacted Disney first about the issue. Supposedly, after getting the fact that he got cut, then they wrote the article.

So, it's not because:
Disney saw the article written by WSJ -> PDP was cut from Makers -> WSJ wrote a new the article about the cut.
It's supposedly:
WSJ questioned Disney without PDP knowing it -> Disney's reaction is to cut PDP -> WSJ wrote the article about the cut

So, when did "PewDiePie is a Nazi" accusation/hyperbole first happen? I thought it had been the WSJ.

An exact timeline of publications is hard to come up with unfotunately, but for alot of left wing publications anti-semitism and Nazi are synomymous.

And as you saw with the article collage i posted earlier, some of them are along the lines of 'Is Pewdiepie a Nazi?'

And whats not helping is that some publications are editing thier articles. Kraut brings up an article [https://youtu.be/JLrS3UopPF8?t=172] from Wired that was initially titled "Pewdiepie was always kinda racist- But now hes a hero to Nazis"

 

[90sgamer]

...the fact of the matter is that he still said or did these things which could be taken out of context in the first place, in many cases in situations where the context was muddy enough so as to not help very much anyway.

Are you kidding me? The burden is on content creators to create content that cannot be taken out of context? Do you really believe that? Incredible.

Context is everything. There is a difference between saying, "Hitler is great, Hitler killed Hitler," and, "Hitler is great." The latter is an accurate quotation of only part of the original statement, and yet it completely changes the meaning conveyed. The mere mention of Hitler or Nazi imagery is never by itself an indication of endorsement. Same goes with imagery and conceptualizations only slightly more complex than the mere mention of Hitler, like say a parody or clever use of reductio ad absurdum.

 

[CaitSeith]

but I thought WSJ had wrote and article calling him Nazi before Disney cut ties with him. That's the one I'm searching for.

Supposedly it doesn't exists, because the decision to cut PDP by Disney was made because the WSJ, as stated in their article contacted Disney first about the issue. Supposedly, after getting the fact that he got cut, then they wrote the article.

So, it's not because:
Disney saw the article written by WSJ -> PDP was cut from Makers -> WSJ wrote a new the article about the cut.
It's supposedly:
WSJ questioned Disney without PDP knowing it -> Disney's reaction is to cut PDP -> WSJ wrote the article about the cut

So, when did "PewDiePie is a Nazi" accusation/hyperbole first happen? I thought it had been the WSJ.

An exact timeline of publications is hard to come up with unfotunately, but for alot of left wing publications anti-semitism and Nazi are synomymous.

And as you saw with the article collage i posted earlier, some of them are along the lines of 'Is Pewdiepie a Nazi?'

And whats not helping is that some publications are editing thier articles. In Kraut brings up an article [https://youtu.be/JLrS3UopPF8?t=172] from Wired that was initially titled "Pewdiepie was always kinda racist- But now hes a hero to Nazis"

I have to apologize. PewDiePie said "Nazi or anti-semite"; so searching for Nazi specifically was kind of a wild-goose chase from my part. It seems the article 0 was really the one from WSJ about Disney cutting ties (everything else gravitates around it); but it's behind a paywall that I don't want to pay. Thanks for everything.

 

[90sgamer]

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[kenu12345]

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I really do wish some of you would stop projecting onto me. It's not only irritatingly nonconstructive, it's also insulting.

I don't care that he's rich. I don't care that he's popular. I don't even care that his humor is the epitome of juvenile-edge-lord. And I'm not calling him a racist, a bigot, nor suggesting he's a Neo-Nazi.

All I care about is that he's being a hypocrite. He's acting upset that he's had to face the consequences of his actions. An action wherein he used something he had to know would offend people. So for him to act upset for being criticized for knowingly upsetting people does nothing to endear the man to me, nor does it garner ANY sympathy from me for his 'plight'.

He made a choice and is facing the consequences of that choice. You say the internet needs to grow up and deal with it. Seems more like Mr. Kjellberg does.

Except he's not. He publically apologized. He just thinks the media misrepresented him which they have. Also I feel this may be a good vid for this thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBMkrXG8KMY

 

[RaikuFA]

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I really do wish some of you would stop projecting onto me. It's not only irritatingly nonconstructive, it's also insulting.

I don't care that he's rich. I don't care that he's popular. I don't even care that his humor is the epitome of juvenile-edge-lord. And I'm not calling him a racist, a bigot, nor suggesting he's a Neo-Nazi.

All I care about is that he's being a hypocrite. He's acting upset that he's had to face the consequences of his actions. An action wherein he used something he had to know would offend people. So for him to act upset for being criticized for knowingly upsetting people does nothing to endear the man to me, nor does it garner ANY sympathy from me for his 'plight'.

He made a choice and is facing the consequences of that choice. You say the internet needs to grow up and deal with it. Seems more like Mr. Kjellberg does.

Except he's not. He publically apologized. He just thinks the media misrepresented him which they have. Also I feel this may be a good vid for this thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBMkrXG8KMY

Yeah that vids gonna fall on deaf ears on here.

 

[Chaos Marine]

This is a perfect representation of how SJRs are a cancer.