Please let Pokemon gracefully exit.

[Twilight_guy]

So your upset that a company is continue to use its IP? You do realize they own it and have the right to do whatever they want with it? Interestingly enough, Did you consider its cultural significance elsewhere and how its viewed in its native Japan? Did you consider how other people see it, if they like it?

This strikes me as the unending nerd rage that Star Wars has gained where someone decides to use and IP and the fans cry 'betrayed' and go into unending tantrums. I never understood it beyond possibly that some people aren't able to differentiate between different parts of something they like and internally its all grouped into the same thing rather then being packed in separate but connected boxed, metaphorically, or that some people have very small/sad lives and the thing they love takes up a huge portion of their life despite its being rather insignificant/a part of their past. Those situations can't possibly cover all the irate fans though so I really don't know where all this rage comes from. Personally, I liked the series but stop caring long ago. I can be nostalgic for the early stuff but I'm not going to decry it for changing over time or continuing. Nintendo owns it and will do what they like with it. The games sell well which means people must like them. I don't see a problem with any of that.

 

[Charli]

Wow that whole rant seemed needless. Sure I haven't played a pokemon game since Sapphire, and I don't really plan on, but what exactly is this doing to hurt you?

I'll tell you the same thing I tell silly World of Warcraft drama leavers:

If you can't take your nostalgia taking a direction you don't like, LEAVE IT ALONE and stop being bitter and find something new to like.

Pokemon is not physically assaulting you or affecting your life in anyway.

 

[clippen05]

I don't know if my opinion is relevant because I didnt buy B&W the last one I beat was Platinum and the last one I bought was HG. But heres my $0.02 anyway.

Pokemon is a great series with good gameplay, a great universe, and overall, a mediocre story. There's really not much room for improvement to the gameplay unless you start changing core mechanics. I mean they're not going to go up to 4 poke battles are they? The gameplay is solid and that's what fans keep coming back for. Leave it how it is, add some moves and items... that's the extent to which I believe things should change.

The universe is where Nintendo changes things up. With each iteration we have (mostly) interesting new pokemon, new characters, and a whole new region. And although I didn't like what what I saw of BW's pokemon, you cannot say all of them were bad (Oshawatt comes to mind) SO when these gamers come back for the core experience they've been enjoying for 15 years, they get a slew of new pokemon and other goodies that make them say: Wow, this is the game I've loved all over again but even better. But BW2 is doing that you say? But Nintendo is trying something new...

Now there's story. BW2 could easily be the best pokemon game ever. WHY? Because Nintendo is trying to change their boring old kid beats the bad guys story into something more. That's a deeper change than anything so far in the games (Aside from double battles I guess) You can't say Nintendos not trying anymore if there trying to make Pokemon's weakest link better.

 

[Dr. Crawver]

I won't say it's always sucked, but it has been sucking, at least since it's last iteration, if not a little before. They have run out of creative juices, and it's so clear now that even the mad fanboys are having to admit it.

I don't think now it's a question of it exiting gracefully, that option went long ago. I think it's more now just stop dragging it through the mud.

 

[Smeggs]

I think captcha was telling OP to face the music. Simmer down there Revnak. Put the doomsday button down. We're all friends here.

But we love the buttons!!!

No! That's a bad Revnak! No more cookies for you! D:<

OH GOD!

BEIBS!

QUICK, GET SOME HORNETS TO STING MY EYES OUT!

 

[The Bread is Delicious]

My opinion on the designs is largely fact...

This is where your argument went from okay at best to... not very convincing. Opinion is not fact, that is what makes it opinion...

OT: I have a sort of love-hate relationship with the pokemon games these days, I tend to prefer pokemon that have already been released to ones in the newer games, however I will concede that the mechanics have steadily gotten better over the years. I liked Black when I played it. Do I wish I could have loaded other pokemon in to play it? Most definitely, but I can't deny that the games are good. I'm really waiting for a new Colosseum or Gale of Darkness to appear, because those games really mixed up the game play and story, even if they were short and flawed in a couple areas. I don't plan on getting black 2 or white 2, but when the time comes I have no idea if I will actually follow that plan or not...

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

I think captcha was telling OP to face the music. Simmer down there Revnak. Put the doomsday button down. We're all friends here.

But we love the buttons!!!

No! That's a bad Revnak! No more cookies for you! D:<

Awwwwwwww...

Is this better?

 

[Grimh]

Yes!

Everything was better back in the day! Back then we had proper Pokeymans. Like the Bulbawhatsits and the Squirty Turtle.

Nowadays the younguns' run around with flaming pigs, and that fruity grass thing.
Lightbulbsaur would give that skinny, girly little thing a great big whoppin' I tells ya'!

 

[Kyle Tracz]

Personally I think they should take the time and effort of 3-4 years to make a pokemon game that has tons of creativity to it and make it that you can actually catch them all

 

[xplosive59]

Pokemon Black and White were fantastic and the franchise has maintained a high standard of quality throughout, we are really only on our fifth installment if you take out remakes and spin-offs, which going by the standards set by other JRPG series such as Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy show that this series isn't even close to getting stale, 5 games for a JRPG is not that much, heck Final Fantasy wasn't even out of its infancy really by the time FFV came around.

Pokemon is not going away anytime soon and the games are getting better (although G/S/C crystal will always be my favourite) by tackling balancing issues and finally adding an interesting story. It's always funny how the people who grew up with Gen 1 dismiss the new games.

My order of personal preference:

Gen 2 > Gen 3 > Gen 5 > Gen 1 > Gen 4

 

[Krion_Vark]

The least creative pokemon game with the worst designed pokemon and least innovation gets direct sequalage.

Red/Blue/Green/Yellow = Team Rocket = Typical World Domination
Gold/Silver/Crystal = Team Rocket = Typical World Domination Goals
Ruby/Saphire/Emerald = Team Aqua/Magma = Create more water/land for Pokemon to live
Diamond/Pearl/Platinum = Team Galactic = Create a new world by destroying the current one.
Black/White = Team Plasma = N who wants to free all pokemon from human servitude. Ghetsis who wants to rule the world and control all pokemon in the Unova region.

The main Antagonists have actually gotten better throughout the series and with it the story line.

Almost none of the Pokemon in any region is really original.
I do agree with you that Johto was the best region so far. But I would also like for you to go look at a map of NYC and of the Unova Region. As for pokemon like the garbage one or Vanillite May I point out Grimer and Jynx?

 

[Phlakes]

People still enjoy the games. That's as good a reason as any to keep making them. I'm sorry if their existence offends you.

 

[SuperSuperSuperGuy]

I must disagree.

Pokémon Black 2/White 2 are more than just rehashes like Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, etc. were. They've got entirely new stories and improvements to the region. There're new player characters, an expanded regional Pokédex, a new starting town, and even a few new gym leaders.

I know what you're thinking: "Story? In a Pokémon game? You must be off your nut!" I think that it's a great idea. Story has always been the weakest link in a Pokémon game, and the developers decided to improve upon it. This has led to some mixed results, however: the game is a bit slower in the beginning and it's a lot more linear. However, the story aspect is improving quite a bit.

As for the designs, every generation had some good ones and some dumb ones. Generation 1 had the awesomeness that is Charizard and the it's-just-three-of-the-first-form-ness Magneton. Gen 2 had Umbreon (awesome), but also Ledyba (dumb). Gen 3 had Absol (cool), but also Volbeat (not cool). Gen 4 had Empoleon (yay), but also Budew (nay). Gen 5 had Galvantula, one of my favourite Pokémon, but it had Alomomola, one of my least favourite.

Gen 5 brought a lot to the table. From streamlined interface to quickened battle pace, from monthly seasonal changes which add to the time mechanics to giving Pokémon interesting new moves and abilities to play with. It's better than it ever was. The only thing that I disliked in 5th Gen was the linearity. I, for one, am extremely excited for B2/W2.

 

[Luca72]

Wow. I thought you had to insult ponies or start a conversation on games and feminism to get people to lose their minds on the internet. Turns out all you have to do is be unimpressed by the Pokemans.

I don't think what the OP is saying is that out of line. I have no opinion on which generation is better or worse because nostalgia makes it impossible for me to see realistically. But I do know that each new game only seems to fix one or two issues, which should have been fixed a long time ago. Thank God there's a special/physical attack split, but why did that take so long? Why did online battling without friends codes take so long? I haven't felt good about beating the Elite Four since I was 8, can we try something else? I'd be willing to play as Team Rocket at this point just to get some variety in the game.

Sure, mechanics get tighter, new moves and abilities make the metagame better. It's still almost the EXACT. SAME. GAME. Every year! Nintendo can keep its little money generator running, but I KNOW they have the funds and creativity to come up with something better.

I'd be willing to play a game where I'm on a Pokemon ranch or something, where I just focus on breeding Pokemon for good stats so I can battle them online. I don't even need the samey "exploration" of the main quest. And yeah, I could just go play Shoddy Battle or something, but that's missing the point, since it took fans of the game to port its mechanics to something playable if you're over 10.

 

[Innegativeion]

Oh boy, someone who thinks his opinion about the design of the new Pokes is a fact...

Isn't that exactly what you're doing by implying that I'm wrong?

You clearly misunderstand the concept of "popular opinion".

Enough people were of the opinion that black and white was worth their 40$, despite (or because of?) the new pokemon being readily viewable on the internet long before its release to warrant a new game starring the same pokemon. I don't doubt for a second that there will be more new pokemon in the next major release. This is an interesting experiment nonetheless. Never has there been a direct sequel within one generation.

I loved 5th gen. Bisharp and volcarona are among my favorite pokemon ever. Deal with it.

 

[Gxas]

Oh boy, someone who thinks his opinion about the design of the new Pokes is a fact...

Isn't that exactly what you're doing by implying that I'm wrong?

You clearly misunderstand the concept of "popular opinion".

Enough people were of the opinion that black and white was worth their 40$, despite (or because of?) the new pokemon being readily viewable on the internet long before its release to warrant a new game starring the same pokemon. I don't doubt for a second that there will be more new pokemon in the next major release. This is an interesting experiment nonetheless. Never has there been a direct sequel within one generation.

I loved 5th gen. Bisharp and volcarona are among my favorite pokemon ever. Deal with it.

Don't you mean...

EH!? EH!? YEAH!?

OT: I don't see how people can say that this franchise is dying. Have you tried breeding? Have you attempted contests or online battles or Battle Subway? Have you even thought about removing those rose-tinted glasses and seeing what the franchise actually has become?

I'm sorry, but Pokémon still stands, in my eyes, as having one of the best metagames of all time. It's only getting better as time goes on.

 

[Innegativeion]

Battle Subway?

Gaaaaah! You've just reminded me that I've got to rack up some battle points this summer to buy TM Swagger for Tempest (Manaphy ^_^) so I can heart-swap troll the endgame content in B&W 2.

 

[Lukirre]

So Black and white 2 is/are coming out soon. Oh joy. The least creative pokemon game with the worst designed pokemon and least innovation gets direct sequalage.

It is not the least creative Pokemon game in the series, and its Pokemon are not better or worse than any other generation. I get that you personally don't care for them. I hate Vanillite/Vanniluxe/other thing and Trubbish/Garbodor. But I don't look at the game and say "Wow hey that's like every pokemon they must all suck."

In an effort to not completly ruin what was a massive part of my childhood, I've been replaying the decent pokemon games in an effort to remind me that what was once good cannot be tainted by it's future sucking the hole at the bottom of the barrel to get some of the magic back.

You must give little value to your childhood experiences. It's interesting that you would discount them entirely.

As I "Upgraded" to the 3ds, I've been playing a lot of soulsilver...

"Guys, black and white 2 will be hellspawn because I am tired of Nintendo not innovating! They are totally milking cash cows and I hate it! By the way I totally love the Gold/Silver remake!"

I used to love pokemon. I would defend it to the death. Pokemon was a major part of my childhood, something I will be showing to my kids if and when I have them...

Good!

Pokemon is, essentially, always the same game. Which is fine, because it's a good game, and the plot isn't overly complex etc. It's simple fun, and the greatest thing about it,

So then why did you even bother to comment on Black/White's purported lack of innovation?

The pokemon largely suck and there aren't going to be many new ones.

Uhhhh...the pokemon in B/W are as different from previous generations as G/S/C was to R/B/Y; R/S/E to G/S/C, etc..

Heres the thing: Kanto was great, Johto was perfect, Hoenn... Good pokemon, didn't like the layout of the region, Sinnoh was pretty good all round, Unova... Crap pokemon, Okay layout, Crap pokemon.

Nope. I had a lot of fun in Unova. Since my opinion is no more or less valid than yours, it immediately cancels out your claim. So, sorry about that.

What I'm really saying is, Pokemon is not very far over the "Can't even remember what I saw in it" point yet.

That's a problem with you personally, not the series.

Remember the great times we had, the first pokemon we caught, the first pokemon we evolved, everything great that we did on our grand adventure in the world of pokemon. Share the adventure with our sons and daughters, let them carry on as we did, and always remember how great it was.

Or you could just introduce it to them and let them choose their favourites.

And If nintendo still wants to milk the cash cow, they can remake until there balls drop off.
No New games, we know you guys have run out of variants on every animal name ever.

I'd like to re-iterate that you bought SoulSilver when you could have most likely gone back and re-played your old copy of Silver.

I'd like to state that Pokemon Silver was my most beloved game in the series and the only game that I've completed the Pokedex in. Twice.

I'm sure I'll come off as a Game Freak fanboy or whatever, but it was just a lot of fun to pick apart this post. Much wrong with the logic.

 

[Terminate421]

I think you have the wrong guy snip.

Dude, you have the wrong guy, I was in support of more pokemon. I want Black and White 2 and I look forward to them doing more pokemon.

 

[Furioso]

snip and I am fucking angry.

Exhibit A:

Here we have a game that is fucking awesome that no-one seems to notice that does in fact DO SOMETHING NEW WITH POKEMON. It also takes advantage of the newer pokemon that are out as well. Providing with a new game altogether.

You know you're right, I have seen maybe 2 people say anything about this game since it came out, and I have no idea why. It's a fantastic spin off that deserves some acknowledgement. I have 70 hours in that game and still have more to go.

OT: Black and White are one of my favorite versions of the series, they actually tried to give the bad guys more of a plot (in that it doesn't end halfway through the game) and I feel the same about the designs as any other of the games, some I hate, some I love, and some I'm "meh" about