Pokemon Research Proves Squirtle To Be Best Starter
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Not in X/Y they aren't. And I can't find a decent grass-type aside from Simisage.Cognimancer said:
And Charizard is the coolest Pokémon in the universe. FACT.
I like the Smash Bros. Brawl approach: Squirtle is best stage 1, Ivysaur is best stage 2, Charizard is best stage 3.
Although I also agree with Tanis above me; Chikorita is objectively the best of all starters in all games, and I'll stab anyone who says otherwise.
Although I also agree with Tanis above me; Chikorita is objectively the best of all starters in all games, and I'll stab anyone who says otherwise.
I think the research probably failed to take into account that Charmander is objectively the best starter
Charizard can mega evolve into a dragon. Therefore it is objectively the best. I dare you to say its not to its face!
...although squirtle is pretty awesome too.
...although squirtle is pretty awesome too.
Doesn't matter who you are, where you're from, or where you've been...
Swampert's got your number.
Swampert's got your number.
The biggest mistake that this study and most pokemon players make is that your attacks being super effective is not the most important thing. The most important thing is that your enemy's attacks are not very effective. The best defense is a good offense doesn't always apply.
So, this guy's scientific research amounts to "his stats get better when he evolves" and "overall Water types are effective against the Kanto League"?
My science project on whether or not there's always room for ice cream was more scientific than that!
My science project on whether or not there's always room for ice cream was more scientific than that!
Disagree. Bulbasaur is the best one. Charmander gives the player an awful start, while Squirtle is consistently average, and Bulbasaur makes the beginning of the game really easy, and once its usefulness wears out, you have more options to work with. Bulbasaur has access to the ridiculously overpowered Toxic/Leech Seed combination, as well.
Does this study take into account alternatives to the starters? I ask because there are many, frankly better, alternatives to Squirtle, and fewer for Bulbasaur and Charmander. Even then, Fire-type Pokémon weren't very good in generation 1, anyway, so Charmander's sadly pretty irrelevant. Squirtle's alternatives as a Water-type include Slowbro, who gets Amnesia, Starmie, who is just awesome in general, Lapras, who is also awesome, Poliwrath, who's pretty good all around, Tentacruel, who's actually really underrated, Vaporeon, who has massive amounts of HP, and Gyarados, who has extremely high attacking stats. Starmie and Slowbro in particular stand out because they are so significantly better moveset-wise than Squirtle; the former learns Psychic and Thunderbolt, in addition to the Ice and Water moves that Squirtle gets, and while Slowbro lacks Thunderbolt, it gets the hilariously overpowered Amnesia, which basically lets it do anything, ever. Bulbasaur's alternatives extend to Victreebel, Vileplume, Tangela, Parasect and Exeggutor. While you can make a case for Victreebel and Exeggutor, the other three are basically worse in every way; Parasect has no good STAB, though Spore is awesome, and its stats are bad, Tangela is just bad, and anything Vileplume can do, Venusaur can do better. You could make a case about Victreebel being a good alternative, but it lacks Leech Seed and is slower and more frail. The only awesome alternative to Venusaur is Exeggutor, and even then, the only thing, besides better stats, more than Venusaur that Exeggutor brings to the table is Psychic, which is admittedly quite helpful, but does not make as significant of a difference as Starmie getting Thunderbolt, in addition to Psychic, makes when compared to Blastoise.
TL;DR: Bulbasaur offers a good start, allowing the player to hit the ground running early-on, and gets a powerful combination of moves. It also has fewer good alternatives than Squirtle, and the better alternatives to Venusaur are less significantly better than the good alternatives to Blastoise. Even if this doesn't automatically tip the scale in Bulbasaur's favour, it's something important to think about. Charmander, on the other hand, isn't very good in generation 1, so it isn't relevant to the discussion.
Does this study take into account alternatives to the starters? I ask because there are many, frankly better, alternatives to Squirtle, and fewer for Bulbasaur and Charmander. Even then, Fire-type Pokémon weren't very good in generation 1, anyway, so Charmander's sadly pretty irrelevant. Squirtle's alternatives as a Water-type include Slowbro, who gets Amnesia, Starmie, who is just awesome in general, Lapras, who is also awesome, Poliwrath, who's pretty good all around, Tentacruel, who's actually really underrated, Vaporeon, who has massive amounts of HP, and Gyarados, who has extremely high attacking stats. Starmie and Slowbro in particular stand out because they are so significantly better moveset-wise than Squirtle; the former learns Psychic and Thunderbolt, in addition to the Ice and Water moves that Squirtle gets, and while Slowbro lacks Thunderbolt, it gets the hilariously overpowered Amnesia, which basically lets it do anything, ever. Bulbasaur's alternatives extend to Victreebel, Vileplume, Tangela, Parasect and Exeggutor. While you can make a case for Victreebel and Exeggutor, the other three are basically worse in every way; Parasect has no good STAB, though Spore is awesome, and its stats are bad, Tangela is just bad, and anything Vileplume can do, Venusaur can do better. You could make a case about Victreebel being a good alternative, but it lacks Leech Seed and is slower and more frail. The only awesome alternative to Venusaur is Exeggutor, and even then, the only thing, besides better stats, more than Venusaur that Exeggutor brings to the table is Psychic, which is admittedly quite helpful, but does not make as significant of a difference as Starmie getting Thunderbolt, in addition to Psychic, makes when compared to Blastoise.
TL;DR: Bulbasaur offers a good start, allowing the player to hit the ground running early-on, and gets a powerful combination of moves. It also has fewer good alternatives than Squirtle, and the better alternatives to Venusaur are less significantly better than the good alternatives to Blastoise. Even if this doesn't automatically tip the scale in Bulbasaur's favour, it's something important to think about. Charmander, on the other hand, isn't very good in generation 1, so it isn't relevant to the discussion.
The real question is this: Which Pokemon is the cutest in Moemon?
YOU DECIDE, VIEWER!
(BTW, its Charmander)
YOU DECIDE, VIEWER!
(BTW, its Charmander)
I think its interesting how they set up the play style in the beginning with Bulbasaur= easy mode, Squirtle= normal mode, and Charmander= hard mode. Even if I was a gen-wunner, my Cyndaquil would like to disagree that Squirtle is anywhere near the best when there is Charmander and better Water types available in the game.
Anywho, Kurama the Delphox reigns as my new favorite now.
Anywho, Kurama the Delphox reigns as my new favorite now.
Pshh, the Oshawott family is so much better than the Squirtle family it's not even funny.
Don't worry Oshawott, I still think you are the best water starter! :3
My favorite of the Kanto starters would be Charmander. I would go far enough to say in the context of the red/blue and FireRed/LeafGreen games, that Squirtle has the least amount of positives. Fire types are fairly rare, and you can use Charizard as a designated flyer for the team.
Bulbasaur is one of the best grass types in that generation, and it's fairly versatile.
Blastoise is just a decent water type, and the likes of Vaporeon, or Lapras are just as good to use for a designated water type.
Don't worry Oshawott, I still think you are the best water starter! :3
My favorite of the Kanto starters would be Charmander. I would go far enough to say in the context of the red/blue and FireRed/LeafGreen games, that Squirtle has the least amount of positives. Fire types are fairly rare, and you can use Charizard as a designated flyer for the team.
Bulbasaur is one of the best grass types in that generation, and it's fairly versatile.
Blastoise is just a decent water type, and the likes of Vaporeon, or Lapras are just as good to use for a designated water type.
Charmander all the way. No question. Why? Because ultimately dragon, end of discussion.
Of course, I got to the point where all I needed was my overleveled Persian to take out my friends' legendaries at the school lunch table, but he and my Charizard were a tagteam to be feared.
Of course, I got to the point where all I needed was my overleveled Persian to take out my friends' legendaries at the school lunch table, but he and my Charizard were a tagteam to be feared.
Everyone knows Piplup is the best starter because he evolves into Empoleon
and Empoleon is best:
Also Piplup can learn peck. He is the only water starter naturally capable of having a move super effective against grass types.
and Empoleon is best:
Also Piplup can learn peck. He is the only water starter naturally capable of having a move super effective against grass types.
one of the great failings of science is that it rarely takes "rad" into account. For shame.Cognimancer said:
Companionship, protection, transportation AND breakfast? Truly the greatest,Fiz_The_Toaster said:You damn right Charizard is rad as hell.
How rad?
Squirtle squad forever baby.
Anyhow, I've thought for a long time that Squirtle was the greatest starter. Why?
He can learn Ice and Water moves.
-Water > Rock, fire (Charmander), ground
-Ice > Grass (Bulbasaur), ground, flying (many Gen1 legendaries), dragon (some of the strongest Gen1 Pokemon)
You may say that Bulbasaur can also counter the ice of Squirtle with grass, but it's an interesting point that Squirtle can put up a really good offense against something that would (for the two other of the trio) would be difficult to do.
Also, he's outright the coolest.
Yeah, dragons are more or less common in the Pókemon Universe, so Charizard wasn't that impressive. The flower reduced Venusar's coolness factor. But Blastoise? Blastoise was unique. Blastoise had motherfucking guns. No other Pokémon has guns. Not only guns, but cannons. And he is so cool he doesn't have to use them to kickass. Why? Because he is the only being in the Pokémon Universe with guns that means that he would rule the world, not humans, Blastoise with guns. He would strait up murder everything in existance with those guns. He is a riot control machinge, and he could just up the pressure and a little rock for a water jet cutter. Now that is cool. Dragons and flowers are meh, water canons are cool.
And in the animé Squirtle wears sunglasses. He Horatioed before Horatio, I'm sure.
For the final nail in the coffin now we have SCIENCE!
Yeah, Squirtle wins by a huge margin.
And in the animé Squirtle wears sunglasses. He Horatioed before Horatio, I'm sure.
For the final nail in the coffin now we have SCIENCE!
Yeah, Squirtle wins by a huge margin.