Right the perks are .. what? Copping a feel on a dead woman? Getting killed? Adrenaline junkies who need the high of shoot outs, speed chases and busting in doors and unloading their guns to get off? We have to address this basic problem of changing the perks here if we want to change who it attracts to do the job. What would it take to have ANYONE here take the job? If the perks suck too bad for you to take the job, then how do we expect to get anyone better in there?
So you think that the first thing we need to do is make sure the cops who oppress everyone can afford to live better than everyone they oppress, and then the good people they’ve fucked over will take their jobs, leaving them with the lower salaries of all the people they used to oppress?
I'll be honest, Revy, I believe the operative problem here is "LA County". That shit is out of whack. NYC and Houston starting salaries are 40-42.5k for cops.
I wouldn't go through med school for just 70k a year.
I didn't say that was the first thing. The first thing I said we have to do is accountability. You can't just take apart what I said needed to be done in bits and pieces. It is a whole package here.
More cameras? Does nothing. Civilian oversight? Steam-rolled by unions. More cops watching cops? They’ll just pat them on the back and cover for them. None of that is meaningful.
No one said that. Revy is getting crapped on by Space X. No one is blaming him for the widespread underpayment by employers. He can only afford to live in the ghetto there because those calling the shots at Space X are taking and pocketing what they should be paying Revy. They are essentially dipping into his paycheck and others and stealing what they should earn and keeping it for themselves.
Devils I looked for jobs for a fucking year and settled for dramatically less than Space X doing work that is far more meaningless. Yes, all employers are fucking their workers over, but cops are not the ones getting fucked over particularly hard here. Their salaries are solid, their benefits are amazing, and they often get overtime pay to the tune of an entire extra half year of work. They are not the most oppressed part of the working class. The people whose necks they’re stomping on are. The class traitors have been solidly compensated.
That isn't all of what I said. More prosecutions and arrests, not waiting for people to be murdered and then let them off. Actually firing and charging bad cops for all their abuses, not wait to collect the bodies and the buildings are burnt down, then they have to prevent bad cops from being rehired. You counter unions with higher pay, less hours more safer work environment and increased benefits. You offer a better deal than protecting bad cops.
None of the cops that work in my area can afford to live in my area themselves. That is the core of the problem. They are adrenaline junkies, criminals and necro creeps because that is all the job currently attracts. Making that worse means you only get MORE of those types, not less. Adrenaline junkies do not care about class. They just want to get their" fix". You want us to ignore what former cops that chose to do something better are telling us why they left. We should listen. They don;t want you to see them the way you do or treat them like shit either. The adrenaline junkies we have as a result of the current situation don't really care about what you think about them. They just care about their adrenaline fix. They are as bad as meth addicts.
Nobody here has argued that giving cops more take home pay is the only means necessary or required to make them better. I think that they need higher hiring and training/education standards. There are plenty of professions regulated via licensing boards to maintain a level of competence and accountability for the public good. One of my own fields, surveying, requires 3 recommendations from senior surveyors, a 4 year degree, and a notoriously difficult exam for the junior license. For the senior license, you need at least 2 years of experience (after getting the junior license, not before) broken down very precisely between several different aspects of the job (which means in practice a lot of people need more than 2 years), you need to submit a full urban and a full rural survey plat (a map you draft of the property), and you need to pass another exam. Both levels of licenses require several hours of continuing education credits a year. Engineers, lawyers, doctors, they all have a hand in public safety and have similar standards to uphold.
Nobody can afford to live anywhere, this is a separate problem from cops!
Are all their cops running around with guns? They redefined the role of their police officers. EXACTLY what I said needed to be done. However, the UK and most western nations have a more socialized safety net so they also do not have as much to worry about paying for out of pocket. My neighbor who was a cop couldn't even afford his daughters braces. ( not teeth , LEG BRACES).
Then why are they building so many new homes in my area if NO ONE can afford to live?
I get paid more than a cop in my region with my 4 year degree.
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