[Politics] Nazis Attack LGBT Pride Parade

[Terminal Blue]

Yeah, till Stalin died.

Who would win the 1935 Zunyi conference?

28 Bolsheviks, with the full backing of the comintern and a solid education in orthodox Marxist-Leninism

One peasant boi

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

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You are correct, you do not see them here as I do. I have seen them marching through the streets and protesting at the court house here where I live. I have to listen to what people are saying standing in line at the market. I also have seen that many of those doing so live in these neighborhoods:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Buffalo-Creek_Rockwall_TX
https://www.redfin.com/city/30856/TX/Heath/luxury-homes
https://www.zillow.com/mclendon-chisholm-tx/

When this happens in your neighborhood, you tend to know a bit more about the people involved. The people involved here are more likely to suffer from "affluenza" than poverty. They also often send their children to " pray away the gay camps" and only allow their children to associate with people of their own race and culture. I don't think many are as bad off as you seem to think they are. If these organizations were made up of the poor, they would not be as well funded as they currently are.

EDIT: It isn't just here either:
https://pressprogress.ca/meet-the-wealthy-toronto-elites-who-funded-white-nationalist-faith-goldys-campaign-for-mayor/
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys
https://thinkprogress.org/these-wealthy-institutions-are-quietly-financing-white-nationalism-5313db89b185/

Wealthy racists are not a new thing btw, the south was founded by wealthy racist landowners. Not much has changed in that regard.

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I know a little about the plantation system in the south and how the land-owning, slave-owning elite perpetuated this racial divide to justify their exploitation of the slaves and simultaneously take care of the unrest of the poor whites by directing it towards blacks, and away from their real masters. I can understand how the same is happening, which is why I've said before and I'll stress again - those people who are pushed to these ideology by circumstance can be saved, they can be redeemed, as long as the ringleaders are addressed. Clumping them all together, without any nuance to their situation, writes off many people whose minds are not broken beyond repaid and can be rehabilitated. The same way prisoners can be rehabilitated from their negative behaviors, some of those people can be redeemed and given a second chance.

I believe you, and I often try to argue not against you, but argue that you do not see the entire picture from your angle.

I got called a nazi apologist, even a supporter, in a different thread. I always doubt whether or not the people who attack me understand who I am.

I apologize, I should have been more clear, I agree with you on the points you made about some of the reasons for this happening, and I also agree with you on that I do not see these people as "unredeemable". I was pointing out that many of which we also deal with in this current time do not fit into the category of "desperate people" being taken advantage of, but rather those who are pretty well off and insulated from reality. This is becoming popular in the suburbs and the well off rather than just the rural outliers. I do see the other angles, that is why I think we have to address the promotion and propaganda for what it is. If we can outlaw people inciting violence by screaming fire in a theater, we very well should be outlawing the promotion of hate fueled genocidal propaganda. There is no benefit to society by allowing Nazis to promote, recruit, organize and mobilize their efforts to control the government so they can inflict harm upon the citizens they do not deem " pure enough" for their tastes, only harm so it serves no purpose to allow something this harmful to continue. Considering we ban far less than Nazi Propaganda, I see no reason why it should be protected.

I do believe people can be redeemed, that is why we have to address this with the truth and prevent them from indoctrinating more into their terrorist organizations. For those that have already been indoctrinated, they need to be shown the truth and how and why things are the way they are rather than just allow the endless propaganda to continue. It really is no different than how you deal with anyone who has been indoctrinated into a cult or other extremism. When you have some of these kids growing up isolated in communities that promote these backwards ideas or even isolated further being homeschooled and only allowed to associated with others of the same mindset, many do not really even know anything else. In the south this is not that uncommon, even among those well off.

We have to start with how we address the topic to begin with. If we allow them to continue to indoctrinate people publicly and promote genocide without treating it the same as we treat inciting violence or making threats and other criminal behavior, we are validating it by showing that it is accepted as a relevant political belief when it should be treated no different than any other horrific crime. I see that is where they are currently making the mistake, they are treating it as if it is an actual political platform when it does not deserve such status, it should be treated as no different than promoting any other terrorism and with the same repulsion. The second you start treating this as an actual political platform, allowing actual politicians to court them, you legitimize them, and that should never be happening. That is why it is currently growing and has to be addressed to prevent it from gaining more traction than it already has.

Yea I have been called absurd things before as well, I wouldn't take it seriously. I think sometimes things can be misunderstood or taken wrong or people spend far too much time arguing with their own thoughts rather than trying to understand what someone else is trying to convey, or of course they could simply have their head up their arse. Even with some of the out there stuff you posted that I thought you were just pulling my chain over, I never once thought you to be a Nazi Sympathizer, that is one for the books. XD

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

.I am personally attacked. Your opinion on them is a bad one.

I have learned to bite my tongue, even if you don't realize that. But I have far more warnings that I deserve to have.

It was a picture of a mass grave of Nazi victims. Nazis have lost any right to exist, due to their actions in the 1940's. They are terrorists, plain and simple.


Reason is thinking that the most villianous group in mdern history is villanous. They literally are the standard for 'evil fascist organization'. When people make fiction and want you to know who the bad guys are, they make them some form of Nazi.

Or are you unfamiliar with Star Wars?

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Do you know who I am?

I do not attribute the actions of the Germans on my people and the peoples of the world to the detached neo-nazis that parrot their beliefs in your country. The comparisons are in bad taste, as I have repeatedly told you before. Treat them with respect to their beliefs and actions. They have done, plan to do, and dream of doing awful and horrible things. Some of them are the very same things they idolize the German Nazis for doing (that young white man, who decided to attack a synagogue during Passover dinner, killing a women and injuring 3 others). It should be attributed to the movement, not the actions of those they idolize, some 80 years ago.

Many of these promoting this now are directly linked to those who did these things during WW2. My neighbor growing up was a literal SS officer and everyone knew it. His son is just as racist as he was and idolizes his father. Look at the men in the OP, they are gray and balding and they knew what they were supporting here. We are still dealing with the descendants of the Nazis who fled to the US after WW2. They were able to pick up life in the US after the war because there were still plenty of communities within the US that supported them. My neighbor was not the only one here walking around in his SS uniform handing down his beliefs to his children. Beliefs and ideology like this are often handed down and indoctrinated into the communities, people are taught these things and they are frequently handed down like other religious beliefs. It is not always a separated movement.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/why-us-government-brought-nazi-scientists-america-after-world-war-ii-180961110/
https://ips-dc.org/the_cias_worst-kept_secret_newly_declassified_files_confirm_united_states_collaboration_with_nazis/
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/american-nazis-jewish-gangsters-history
https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

I'm not going to come out and question whether you're really gay or something

I will. I know he's banned now, but I know for a fact that members of far-right groups go on propaganda missions on the internet where, among other things, they pretend to be members of some minority group. Pretty obvious why, when you look at some of the stuff that The Lunatic said here and in the past. And we all know he's not the only one on this website.

And that is why we shouldn't discuss politics here.

 

[Saelune]

.I am personally attacked. Your opinion on them is a bad one.

I have learned to bite my tongue, even if you don't realize that. But I have far more warnings that I deserve to have.

It was a picture of a mass grave of Nazi victims. Nazis have lost any right to exist, due to their actions in the 1940's. They are terrorists, plain and simple.


Reason is thinking that the most villianous group in mdern history is villanous. They literally are the standard for 'evil fascist organization'. When people make fiction and want you to know who the bad guys are, they make them some form of Nazi.

Or are you unfamiliar with Star Wars?

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Do you know who I am?

I do not attribute the actions of the Germans on my people and the peoples of the world to the detached neo-nazis that parrot their beliefs in your country. The comparisons are in bad taste, as I have repeatedly told you before. Treat them with respect to their beliefs and actions. They have done, plan to do, and dream of doing awful and horrible things. Some of them are the very same things they idolize the German Nazis for doing (that young white man, who decided to attack a synagogue during Passover dinner, killing a women and injuring 3 others). It should be attributed to the movement, not the actions of those they idolize, some 80 years ago.

Do you know who -I- am?

You could be a gay black Jewish person for all I know, but if you defend Nazis, you defend Nazis. If you're a gay black Jewish person defending Nazis, then you're a suicidal defender of Nazis.

Evil wins when good does nothing. You advocate doing nothing.

 

[Saelune]

I'm not going to come out and question whether you're really gay or something

I will. I know he's banned now, but I know for a fact that members of far-right groups go on propaganda missions on the internet where, among other things, they pretend to be members of some minority group. Pretty obvious why, when you look at some of the stuff that The Lunatic said here and in the past. And we all know he's not the only one on this website.

And that is why we shouldn't discuss politics here.

I do not doubt for one second that The Lunatic was not a legit full on White Supremacist. I don't know if they were really gay or not, but it is not an excuse. A gay white supremacist is still a white supremacist.

The Lunatic was also a troll, and a shining example of how unfair it is that calling out someone who was as blatant a troll as he was is more likely to be punished than the troll themselves. He lasted far too long, but I am glad he finally was dealt with. Better late than never.

I am glad to no longer have to dance around that.

 

[TheIronRuler]

.I am personally attacked. Your opinion on them is a bad one.

I have learned to bite my tongue, even if you don't realize that. But I have far more warnings that I deserve to have.

It was a picture of a mass grave of Nazi victims. Nazis have lost any right to exist, due to their actions in the 1940's. They are terrorists, plain and simple.


Reason is thinking that the most villianous group in mdern history is villanous. They literally are the standard for 'evil fascist organization'. When people make fiction and want you to know who the bad guys are, they make them some form of Nazi.

Or are you unfamiliar with Star Wars?

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Do you know who I am?

I do not attribute the actions of the Germans on my people and the peoples of the world to the detached neo-nazis that parrot their beliefs in your country. The comparisons are in bad taste, as I have repeatedly told you before. Treat them with respect to their beliefs and actions. They have done, plan to do, and dream of doing awful and horrible things. Some of them are the very same things they idolize the German Nazis for doing (that young white man, who decided to attack a synagogue during Passover dinner, killing a women and injuring 3 others). It should be attributed to the movement, not the actions of those they idolize, some 80 years ago.

Do you know who -I- am?

You could be a gay black Jewish person for all I know, but if you defend Nazis, you defend Nazis. If you're a gay black Jewish person defending Nazis, then you're a suicidal defender of Nazis.

Evil wins when good does nothing. You advocate doing nothing.

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I do not advocate doing nothing. You've clearly demonstrated you don't read my posts. I do not share your opinions, however I do not defend nazis. I defend people you love to demonize, some of which can be returned to normalcy. You can't distinguish the difference between opinions other than your own.
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The Lunatic was also a troll, and a shining example of how unfair it is that calling out someone who was as blatant a troll as he was is more likely to be punished than the troll themselves. He lasted far too long, but I am glad he finally was dealt with. Better late than never.

I am glad to no longer have to dance around that.

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This stuff? A long time tradition here.
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.I am personally attacked. Your opinion on them is a bad one.

I have learned to bite my tongue, even if you don't realize that. But I have far more warnings that I deserve to have.

It was a picture of a mass grave of Nazi victims. Nazis have lost any right to exist, due to their actions in the 1940's. They are terrorists, plain and simple.


Reason is thinking that the most villianous group in mdern history is villanous. They literally are the standard for 'evil fascist organization'. When people make fiction and want you to know who the bad guys are, they make them some form of Nazi.

Or are you unfamiliar with Star Wars?

.
Do you know who I am?

I do not attribute the actions of the Germans on my people and the peoples of the world to the detached neo-nazis that parrot their beliefs in your country. The comparisons are in bad taste, as I have repeatedly told you before. Treat them with respect to their beliefs and actions. They have done, plan to do, and dream of doing awful and horrible things. Some of them are the very same things they idolize the German Nazis for doing (that young white man, who decided to attack a synagogue during Passover dinner, killing a women and injuring 3 others). It should be attributed to the movement, not the actions of those they idolize, some 80 years ago.

Many of these promoting this now are directly linked to those who did these things during WW2. My neighbor growing up was a literal SS officer and everyone knew it. His son is just as racist as he was and idolizes his father. Look at the men in the OP, they are gray and balding and they knew what they were supporting here. We are still dealing with the descendants of the Nazis who fled to the US after WW2. They were able to pick up life in the US after the war because there were still plenty of communities within the US that supported them. My neighbor was not the only one here walking around in his SS uniform handing down his beliefs to his children. Beliefs and ideology like this are often handed down and indoctrinated into the communities, people are taught these things and they are frequently handed down like other religious beliefs. It is not always a separated movement.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/why-us-government-brought-nazi-scientists-america-after-world-war-ii-180961110/
https://ips-dc.org/the_cias_worst-kept_secret_newly_declassified_files_confirm_united_states_collaboration_with_nazis/
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/american-nazis-jewish-gangsters-history
https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/

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You've mentioned that before...
Can you stop making me feel like shit for a little while? I only see glimpses into the images you see daily and my stomach turns.

 

[CaitSeith]

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Oh and we both kinda forgot Mao's China and all the people who starved there too. You gotta add those to the deathcount as well.

Do you think that Maoist China and Stalinist Russia followed the same state ideology?

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Yeah, till Stalin died.
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I sense hostility because I ask to treat these people as reasonable humans, that can be convinced to stop what they're doing... and understand their mistakes.

I treat them as humans. Humans that can be believe in lies and even can convince themselves that their terrible acts are no mistake. There is a reason that consumer protection laws exist: because it's easy to con reasonable people.

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Pass a law that requires all promoters of nazi ideology to put a label on everything related to it, with pictures of people in concentration camps, saying "this ideology may lead to the wanton murder of millions of people".

It's a joke, though. Don't take this seriously, Saelune.

You may joke, but the senses that getting red-pilled gives them are as addictive as opium (metaphorically speaking).

 

[Abomination]

It isn't " get them first" to set an acceptable standard for society.

Sounds like conservative propaganda, but okay.

 

[Saelune]

.I am personally attacked. Your opinion on them is a bad one.

I have learned to bite my tongue, even if you don't realize that. But I have far more warnings that I deserve to have.

It was a picture of a mass grave of Nazi victims. Nazis have lost any right to exist, due to their actions in the 1940's. They are terrorists, plain and simple.


Reason is thinking that the most villianous group in mdern history is villanous. They literally are the standard for 'evil fascist organization'. When people make fiction and want you to know who the bad guys are, they make them some form of Nazi.

Or are you unfamiliar with Star Wars?

.
Do you know who I am?

I do not attribute the actions of the Germans on my people and the peoples of the world to the detached neo-nazis that parrot their beliefs in your country. The comparisons are in bad taste, as I have repeatedly told you before. Treat them with respect to their beliefs and actions. They have done, plan to do, and dream of doing awful and horrible things. Some of them are the very same things they idolize the German Nazis for doing (that young white man, who decided to attack a synagogue during Passover dinner, killing a women and injuring 3 others). It should be attributed to the movement, not the actions of those they idolize, some 80 years ago.

Do you know who -I- am?

You could be a gay black Jewish person for all I know, but if you defend Nazis, you defend Nazis. If you're a gay black Jewish person defending Nazis, then you're a suicidal defender of Nazis.

Evil wins when good does nothing. You advocate doing nothing.

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I do not advocate doing nothing. You've clearly demonstrated you don't read my posts. I do not share your opinions, however I do not defend nazis. I defend people you love to demonize, some of which can be returned to normalcy. You can't distinguish the difference between opinions other than your own.
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The Lunatic was also a troll, and a shining example of how unfair it is that calling out someone who was as blatant a troll as he was is more likely to be punished than the troll themselves. He lasted far too long, but I am glad he finally was dealt with. Better late than never.

I am glad to no longer have to dance around that.

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This stuff? A long time tradition here.
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You are defending Nazis. That is a fact.

The people I 'demonize' are Nazis. I 'demonize' them because I am stating facts about them, and the facts are Nazis are like demons, evil, murderous bigoted monsters. If you cant understand that, that's your failing.


If you want me to not think you're just like all the others who try to condemn me, maybe stop repeating their tired lines. If opposing genocide is wrong, then I dont want to be right.

 

[CaitSeith]

It isn't " get them first" to set an acceptable standard for society.

Sounds like conservative propaganda, but okay.

Oh, you didn't just play the p-card, did you?

 

[TheIronRuler]

.You are defending Nazis. That is a fact.

The people I 'demonize' are Nazis. I 'demonize' them because I am stating facts about them, and the facts are Nazis are like demons, evil, murderous bigoted monsters. If you cant understand that, that's your failing.


If you want me to not think you're just like all the others who try to condemn me, maybe stop repeating their tired lines. If opposing genocide is wrong, then I dont want to be right.

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You are wrong. That is a fact.

You are abrasive. That is a fact.

You are flooding the forums with your nonsense. That is a fact.

See here, I can also make facts.

I don't repeat lines other than my own. I don't care if you clump me with 'all the others'. I'm trying to have a conversation with you and I'm failing miserably.
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You may joke, but the senses that getting red-pilled gives them are as addictive as opium (metaphorically speaking).

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I made a mistake of visiting pol a few times. Woah. What an experience, it's like driving through a safari full of jackals and I'm a fresh piece of meat. You observe with curiosity their strange mating rituals and do not get out of your vehicle...

 

[Abomination]

It isn't " get them first" to set an acceptable standard for society.

Sounds like conservative propaganda, but okay.

Oh, you didn't just play the p-card, did you?

I mean, if there are laws on the books allowing certain political ideologies to be ostracized, which party do you think would be the first to abuse said powers?

We need to curtail these evildoers to ensure our family values are upheld... etc. etc.

 

[Marik2]

lol, lunatic got banned. im gonna miss his gay furry alt right shenanigans.

 

[SolidState]

lol, lunatic got banned. im gonna miss his gay furry alt right shenanigans.

Without making commentary on how he got banned, I will just say that that's yet another very highly tenured and high post-count account that has been banned.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't noticed any actual new people joining in a very very long time. Say what you will of the ban, but all that's happened here is our small community has just gotten even smaller.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

I'm not going to come out and question whether you're really gay or something

I will. I know he's banned now, but I know for a fact that members of far-right groups go on propaganda missions on the internet where, among other things, they pretend to be members of some minority group. Pretty obvious why, when you look at some of the stuff that The Lunatic said here and in the past. And we all know he's not the only one on this website.

And that is why we shouldn't discuss politics here.

I disagree. It is EXACTLY the reason we need to discuss politics here.

This is a gaming website's forum. We come together due to our love of pixels, Ai routines and Booleans, and voice acting so horrible we love it. And not even here are we free from those people and those mindsets. I first came into this place because I saw a random link to Zero Punctuation about Ninja Gaiden 2. I wanted to talk about that. And then I saw what people were talking about, and I had to respond.

Think about how many people cry out for an end of diversity being shoved down our throat. we know that Lunatic and, as you said, others here are interspersed with regular gamers. That leads to one questioning the response of "We just need stories, not representation". Are those fellow gamers bringing up a sentiment that bares exploring given we just might be 'too sensitive... or do they have an agenda to wipe segments of people out of conscious for whatever reason?

This is why the concept of "We need to free spaces from politics" doesn't hold water. There is no space like that. Even trying to devoid a situation of politics is a political move, one that holds its own restriction, mores, and minefields.

Many of these promoting this now are directly linked to those who did these things during WW2. My neighbor growing up was a literal SS officer and everyone knew it. His son is just as racist as he was and idolizes his father. Look at the men in the OP, they are gray and balding and they knew what they were supporting here. We are still dealing with the descendants of the Nazis who fled to the US after WW2. They were able to pick up life in the US after the war because there were still plenty of communities within the US that supported them. My neighbor was not the only one here walking around in his SS uniform handing down his beliefs to his children. Beliefs and ideology like this are often handed down and indoctrinated into the communities, people are taught these things and they are frequently handed down like other religious beliefs. It is not always a separated movement.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/why-us-government-brought-nazi-scientists-america-after-world-war-ii-180961110/
https://ips-dc.org/the_cias_worst-kept_secret_newly_declassified_files_confirm_united_states_collaboration_with_nazis/
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/american-nazis-jewish-gangsters-history
https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/

Although the numbers will never be truly clear, there were a lot of Nazi sympathizers in the United States. Coupled with many Americans thinking that World War 2 and our allies falling were not our problem [https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/us-public-opinion-world-war-II-1939-1941], not to mention the strong anti-semitism movement in America, it was highly fertile ground.

"Hey, not only did your own government send millions of your sons, brothers, and husbands to die in a war that you had no business being in, but they did it to aid the Jew that has so much power over your country. We Germans are a small nation, but we took so much. Through our beliefs, our discipline. Match that with the raw power of the American People, and we can truly take our true place as Kings of this world!"

Nazis, the original Pitchmen...

 

[Red Sentinel]

Wow. Of all the hills one might choose to die on, he chose to die on a hill defending literal Nazis.
Literal goose-stepping, swastika-wearing, Hitler-saluting Nazis.

You couldn't make this shit up if you tried.

 

[RaikuFA]

Wow. Of all the hills one might choose to die on, he chose to die on a hill defending literal Nazis.
Literal goose-stepping, swastika-wearing, Hitler-saluting Nazis.

You couldn't make this shit up if you tried.

I guess they really were a lunatic.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Wow. Of all the hills one might choose to die on, he chose to die on a hill defending literal Nazis.
Literal goose-stepping, swastika-wearing, Hitler-saluting Nazis.

You couldn't make this shit up if you tried.

Yeah, even I'm willing to say that people wearing swastika armbands and calling themselves the "National Socialist Movement" are probably Nazis. Like, legitimate actual Nazis, and not just people on the right. Probably.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Wow. Of all the hills one might choose to die on, he chose to die on a hill defending literal Nazis.
Literal goose-stepping, swastika-wearing, Hitler-saluting Nazis.

You couldn't make this shit up if you tried.

Yeah, even I'm willing to say that people wearing swastika armbands and calling themselves the "National Socialist Movement" are probably Nazis. Like, legitimate actual Nazis, and not just people on the right. Probably.

Some people are willing to dig a pretty deep hole for irony?s sake. Although I would hope not as deep as this.