[Politics] Trump and Concentration Camps

[tstorm823]

Damn near half the workforce was involved.

If half our doctors are fucked up, that means the system is fundamentally broken

The Facebook group was half the size of border patrol. Some of the group members were verified CBP agents. I've seen nothing indicating that all or even most of that Facebook group were actually border patrol.

Basically, if people are free to leave, it's a refugee camp. If they aren't, then it's a concentration camp.

For the record, this is precisely what I'm saying.

 

[Saelune]

Damn near half the workforce was involved.

If half our doctors are fucked up, that means the system is fundamentally broken

The Facebook group was half the size of border patrol. Some of the group members were verified CBP agents. I've seen nothing indicating that all or even most of that Facebook group were actually border patrol.

Basically, if people are free to leave, it's a refugee camp. If they aren't, then it's a concentration camp.

For the record, this is precisely what I'm saying.

So you agree that Trump has concentration camps?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Ah, then the answer is 1.

Well, I meant "come from" to mean "is citizen of" not "was born in", but yeah.

Sometimes it seems like GOP's anti-immigration strategy is to make America more terrible than any current Third World country.

Not just the anti-immigration strategy, but yeah. Doubt it's a plan they've sat down and discussed, but it doesn't look that different.

 

[Saelune]

Again, reminder that if Obama 'made the camps', why didn't Trump unmake them? Why didn't Trump do a better job than Obama? Why did Trump make them even worse than they were? Why is this THE ONE THING OF OBAMA'S THAT TRUMP DOESNT UNDO!?

Cause Trump is a racist Nazi white supremacist piece of garbage who criticizes everyone else for his own horribleness.

We warned you that Trump would do literally what he has been doing, but we were told we were wrong, we were told to 'wait and see' and we were proven right time and again, but still here we are, people are literally advocating for concentration camps, people are literally advocating for child torture.

 

[tstorm823]

Again, reminder that if Obama 'made the camps', why didn't Trump unmake them? Why didn't Trump do a better job than Obama? Why did Trump make them even worse than they were? Why is this THE ONE THING OF OBAMA'S THAT TRUMP DOESNT UNDO!?

Cause Trump is a racist Nazi white supremacist piece of garbage who criticizes everyone else for his own horribleness.

We warned you that Trump would do literally what he has been doing, but we were told we were wrong, we were told to 'wait and see' and we were proven right time and again, but still here we are, people are literally advocating for concentration camps, people are literally advocating for child torture.

You are still wrong, you're just especially talented at convincing yourself otherwise. You made your intelligence a dangerous thing.

 

[Saelune]

Again, reminder that if Obama 'made the camps', why didn't Trump unmake them? Why didn't Trump do a better job than Obama? Why did Trump make them even worse than they were? Why is this THE ONE THING OF OBAMA'S THAT TRUMP DOESNT UNDO!?

Cause Trump is a racist Nazi white supremacist piece of garbage who criticizes everyone else for his own horribleness.

We warned you that Trump would do literally what he has been doing, but we were told we were wrong, we were told to 'wait and see' and we were proven right time and again, but still here we are, people are literally advocating for concentration camps, people are literally advocating for child torture.

You are still wrong, you're just especially talented at convincing yourself otherwise. You made your intelligence a dangerous thing.

Are these concentration camps or not? Answer the question.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Damn near half the workforce was involved.

If half our doctors are fucked up, that means the system is fundamentally broken

The Facebook group was half the size of border patrol. Some of the group members were verified CBP agents. I've seen nothing indicating that all or even most of that Facebook group were actually border patrol.

Basically, if people are free to leave, it's a refugee camp. If they aren't, then it's a concentration camp.

For the record, this is precisely what I'm saying.

Having the option of accepting deportation-- or one's absent parents having that option-- is not the same thing as being free to leave. These are people held under armed guard. If they try to walk out of the facility, they will be stopped by those armed guards.

The idea that whether something is a concentration camp would turn on having an option of going to an entirely different country is absurd. Well, Hitler said you can go to Madagascar, guess it's not a concentration camp now! No.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Well, Hitler said you can go to Madagascar

Fucking what now?

googles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

Why have I never heard of this?

 

[CaitSeith]

......have you ever seen someone own themselves so hard, pointing out their own issues, completely missing the thick raining irony in like 20 words.

Everywhere, all the time. At this point I'm pretty sure it's not a bug, but a feature.

 

[tstorm823]

Are these concentration camps or not? Answer the question.

No, they aren't. There is no such thing as a concentration camp you enter voluntarily. Nor is there such a thing as a concentration camp you can choose to leave. Currently, the majority of people caught by CBP are released within the day, and the majority of people detained willingly turned themselves in. I've posted a source in this thread with that info. Unless you can show me otherwise, you have nothing at all but the desire to demonize others.

To those suggesting it's like Madagascar: no, deporting people to the nation they are citizens of is not the same thing as forcibly relocating people to a prison colony on an island off a different continent.

 

[Saelune]

Are these concentration camps or not? Answer the question.

No, they aren't. There is no such thing as a concentration camp you enter voluntarily. Nor is there such a thing as a concentration camp you can choose to leave. Currently, the majority of people caught by CBP are released within the day, and the majority of people detained willingly turned themselves in. I've posted a source in this thread with that info. Unless you can show me otherwise, you have nothing at all but the desire to demonize others.

To those suggesting it's like Madagascar: no, deporting people to the nation they are citizens of is not the same thing as forcibly relocating people to a prison colony on an island off a different continent.

Just chiming in to say:

They're concentration camps.

Any historian will tell you that that is the correct term to use. [https://www.vox.com/first-person/2019/6/20/18693058/aoc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-concentration-camps-immigration-border]

If any of you have a different opinion and can provide your documented expertise, then you are welcome to.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Ok, fine, despite fitting the definition of concentration camps, they aren't concentration camps for no defensible reason.

Either way, in these, let's call them Super Happy Fun Camps, people are subjected to appalling treatment, deliberately. So, maybe the way this Super Happy Fun Camps business could do with a rethink?

 

[generals3]

Well, Hitler said you can go to Madagascar

Fucking what now?

googles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

Why have I never heard of this?

Because History books prefer not to mention the fact the main plan of the Nazis was to get jews out rather than de-facto killing them. Because once you get into that chapter you also come across the one which shows the Allies did as little as they could to help Jews immigrate to their country because they didn't want them either.

But that's off topic.

On topic, while I firmly believe what the Trump administration is doing to be wrong due to the conditions in which this is all happening immigration is probably one of the morally most difficult issues to handle. On one hand opening the borders entirely may appear to be the moral thing to do. But on the other hand it's just not that simple.

Regardless of one's opinion about it mass migration has a tendency to lead to conflicts and tensions with the natives in the host nation. And these conflicts can escalate.
But that is not the main issue, the main issue is that opening your borders tends to exacerbate the problem by inciting more people to try and cross it. And the question than becomes, how to properly integrate all those masses? Many come from nations with different cultures, they speak different languages, may not have skills required in the job market or even worse they may import local conflicts in the host nation.
Another issue is that allowing unhappy people out of one nation is also reducing the pressure in that nation against the governing bodies and may slow down the necessary evolution the country needs to go through. Very often people emigrating are those who have the financial means necessary to make the journey, the physical capabilities or have sufficient professional skills to hope for a much better future in the host nation. These profiles are typically the ones a country in turmoil needs to get through a crisis and recover afterwards.

But off course all of this doesn't justify detention in inhumane conditions.

 

[Trunkage]

Well, Hitler said you can go to Madagascar

Fucking what now?

googles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

Why have I never heard of this?

Killing Commies/Jews/Romanis wasn't an idea til late 41. While they didn't mind killing them and encouraged citizens to commit violence, they were more about deporting them.

Then France surrendered. Meaning a lot of these Undesirables they had kicked out were now back in German hands. This was deemed ineffective way of dealing with them. Hence a final solution

Also, while we are talking about crazy deportation to Africa. Lincoln stated he wanted to continue the Liberia plan. Because he wasnt an abolitionist. He was a Free Soiler and letting former slave run around would ruin the economy

 

[Saelune]

Trump is a Nazi.



Reminder, LITERALLY everything Trump blames Omar for in this video, TRUMP HIMSELF HAS DONE.


Trump is an anti-semitic, US soldier hating, vulgar obsenety spewing piece of Nazi garbage who runs cocnentration camps to torture and murder children to brown for him to be sexually aroused by, because he is also a pedophile who wants to fuck his own daughter.

 

[Saelune]

Republicans: If you hate America, go somewhere else

Also Republicans: How dare these people leave their countries they aren't happy in and come here!?

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Trump is an anti-semitic, US soldier hating, vulgar obsenety spewing piece of Nazi garbage who runs cocnentration camps to torture and murder children to brown for him to be sexually aroused by, because he is also a pedophile who wants to fuck his own daughter.

Do you think it's possible you're being a wee bit hyperbolic here? Because that's quite a laundry list of accusations.

 

[Kwak]

Trump is an anti-semitic, US soldier hating, vulgar obsenety spewing piece of Nazi garbage who runs cocnentration camps to torture and murder children to brown for him to be sexually aroused by, because he is also a pedophile who wants to fuck his own daughter.

Do you think it's possible you're being a wee bit hyperbolic here? Because that's quite a laundry list of accusations.

Could you please start a thread explaining your choice of avatar? I mean, what the fuck dude?