That's true, some systems do have a dedicated GPU along side there little Intel thingie. The HD 4000 was probably not the best example to give... That said, it is kind of funny how common it is, and like I mentioned later: lots of GPUs on the list with a similar amount of power (or lack thereof)Zipa said:
But, as I also mentioned in my original post, I find 30 FPS smooth and responsive. And unless a developer ties game speed to framerate (which, from what I've read, is a horrible practice), then I can't even tell the difference between 30 FPS and 60 FPS.Strazdas said:
This is not possible. 30 FPS is neither smooth nor responsive. that is a fact that cannot be avoided without breaking laws of physics. Now it is possible that your standards are so low as to find 30 FPS acceptable responsiveness. But that one is on you. If you genuinely cannot tell the difference then i highly suggest contacting a phisician, because there is a medical condition that prevents some people from telling a difference.MysticSlayer said:
So you're telling me that all those enjoyable gaming sessions at 30 FPS never actually happened? I'm guessing that you'll also claim that movies, which generally run around 24 FPS, are like watching a slideshow?Strazdas said:
What laws of physics?
Or you could be suffering a placebo.
And what possible medical condition would that be?
No, im telling you that those gaming sessions were not running the game smoothly and response time was higher than it should have been. I never used the term slideshow nor were we talking about movies. there is no response time in movies for one thing. Secondly, movies have real motion blur, which alievates the effort somewhat. but yes, i would like movies to have higher framerate as well.MysticSlayer said:
The ones that determine motion and human perception of it.
No, all scientific evidence points to the contrary, that you are the one suffering placebo thinking 30 FPS is smooth.
It may be a form of Akinetopsia
There is nothing hyperbolic about 60 fps being objectively better than 30 fps. Nor that increased framerate results in smoother game experience (both visual and gameplay) and reduces input lag. What i am trying to acomplish is to show that the thing you claim to care so much about are in fact governed by the thing you claim you do not care about, so you would better understand what causes the things you enjoy (and presumably find enjoyable things easier). I dont have to prove superiority of 60 fps. it is a self evident fact. Yes, some people are stubborn disbelievers, just like there are people that think the sun rotates around the earth or that the earth is 3000 years old, but that does not change the actual fact.
It was a joke comment based on the idea that 30 FPS can't be smooth.Strazdas said:
Glad we're moving on from not being specific to being specific. /sarcasm
Apparently, not overwhelming enough, because I can't find whatever source you're using anywhere.
Did you just do a quick Google search for an inability to perceive motion? Because my understanding of Akinetopsia is that it is extreme enough that anyone with it would be able to tell something is wrong without needing video games to tell them something is wrong.
No, but when you start citing science you can't explain and medical conditions that you clearly have little to no understanding of, it does become severely hyperbolic.
I've cared enough about it to read on the subject, which is one reason I'm seriously doubting your claims to science and medicine. I've heard plenty of people make similar claims, but all my reading indicates that any perceptible differences are nowhere near as extreme as you're claiming them to be. In that regard, I do care, because I'm wondering where in the world you and others are getting your information from.
All the way back in 2002 this was already over and done with http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.htmlMysticSlayer said:
Actually i learnt about Akinetopsia last year. What you descibe is acute cases, however there are also less acute cases that often goes undiagnozed for years because people think that is normal way things look and if the case is as mild as to only become visible when needing to see objects change position over 30 times per second one could easily live his life fully without realizing he has a problem. Its like most nearsighted people dont actually know they are nearsighted because they never saw the difference and just think this is how it normally looks. We are getting better with nearsighted people thanks to mandatory vision tests, testing movement perception is much harder though. To add to that we dont really know what exactly causes that so no known cure exists.
I can explain the science, but i didnt think writing a thesis on human vision is necessary for you to understand my point.
Have you ever though that if everyone but you sees the difference maybe you are not seeing it because of a problem rather than the entire world is lieing?
Only if your standards are very low or you are physically unable to see the difference or feel the input lag.
You are correct that i do not play games if they are locked at 30 FPS. 60 FPS should be the bare minimum standard for videogames. I can understand when a person plays at lower framerate due to his hardware, but not out of choice. If that makes me autistic so be it.Affordablequote said:
