Poll: A compromise for Skyrim's children
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I have yet to see a logical argument for the child killing side so I'll stick to my emotional one. You can't always go pure logic, you're a human not a robot >.>Ultratwinkie said:
Whatever happened to not downloading the mod... People are fucking stupid. Fallout, Fallout NV, and Oblivion had the same mods, so why should Skyrim be any different?
After Skyrim no more online MMORPG for me.
Little Big Adventure 2 had some gobbly little shit children in, but also had the mechanic that if you hit one they would cry, and say they were going to get their big brother on you, then their big brother would aproach and hit you, knocking down your health... This was done in a cut scene, and you couldn't defend yourself!
In your home town thwere is a school, where if you hit all the kids in there, the teacher pleads with you, and all the kids cry, and then when you exit the school there is an entire line of brother waiting to give you beatings! Doesn't stop making it funny though! Especially as I was a kid when I used to do it!
In your home town thwere is a school, where if you hit all the kids in there, the teacher pleads with you, and all the kids cry, and then when you exit the school there is an entire line of brother waiting to give you beatings! Doesn't stop making it funny though! Especially as I was a kid when I used to do it!
It has to do with roleplaying, as far as I'm concerned at least.Conza said:
Basically, when you're able - nay encouraged - to play as a merciless murderer of innocents, it creates some jarring dissonance when there are characters in the game whom you cannot kill.
There's nothing like seeing your axe pass through someone's neck without having them react to remind you that you are in fact playing a game.
Not everything you kill in a roleplaying game you kill for rewards.
It's simply a wish for the rules of the world we're offered to live in to be consistent.
If you're going to make certain npcs unharmable, you should make them all so.
I understand that the creators don't want us to be killing children in their games, but that wish was carried through in the worst way possible.
Oblivion's solution of not including kids was far better.
I just dont like the witnesses that cant die is all, let me intimidate them or lie to remove my bounty if they're the last witness and I'll remove the mod =3
I played tag with one kid and helped two others who were fighting over a crush. I think the kids are fine. It just feels like PC bullshit to make them "special" immortal characters. I wouldn't try to kill them, but I can't understand why you would build a special game mechanic to put them off sides.DustyDrB said:
They aren't real
They aren't kids
They are scripts and pixels. Making them immortal just adds an unessessary moral aspect that bows its heads to the crowd who blame school shootings on GTA. It just feels like humoring the idiots.
So I appose it for that reason. I want to point out the game already arrests your characters for commiting crime. The solution here which would effectively do the same thing would be to make a death penaly. If you kill a kid you get sentenced to death and if you escape, you can never go back to that hold or everyone will try to kill you.
That feels real and would really motivate people to not kill the kids.
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To be fair to Bethesda, If they didn't make the kids immortal Fox news would probably do a report on it being a kid killing simulator and bring in experts on how letting your kid play Skyrim would cause them to kill their classmates.
So I might give them shit over it, but I'm not going to complain too much.
I do like the kid that helps her mother sell fruit I played games with her for a whole day. Im a master at hide n seek.
Other then that I hate so many of the children in Skyrim. Most are little shits like the Jarls son in Whiterun. That kid who complain there are no sweetrolls etc. They would be on my hit list if I could. I guess I could just disable them. I once raged and went on a killing spree It did make me rage more when I couldn't kill the kids and other important characters. I never save the kill sprees though. I wouldn't kill the kids for the hell of it but when Im on a spree let me kill everyone.
Other then that I hate so many of the children in Skyrim. Most are little shits like the Jarls son in Whiterun. That kid who complain there are no sweetrolls etc. They would be on my hit list if I could. I guess I could just disable them. I once raged and went on a killing spree It did make me rage more when I couldn't kill the kids and other important characters. I never save the kill sprees though. I wouldn't kill the kids for the hell of it but when Im on a spree let me kill everyone.
Why on earth would you want to kill a kid in a game I?m sorry I just don?t see how it ruins immersion for you they don?t have anything you need don?t really give anything towards quests so killing them would be an utter waste of time... not to mention a little twisted.
They don't have anything you need cause Bethesda didn't bother giving them anything since you can't kill them. Most adults don't have loot that is worth killing for, that does not mean I don't want them to be killable. Do you want everyone who is a waste of time killing to become imortal? Well then I think we must make about 75% of Skyrims population unkillable.Kramcake2516 said:
I want children to be as mortal as their parents because it adds realism. And don't come with any of those shitty arguments like "you can't ask for realism in a fantasy game, it's not realistic with magic and dragons". Even if the world itself is a fantasy I still want it to act like it could be real, like a mirror of our own world but with magic and giants and elves etc. Making children imortal because our societys norms say it's worse to kill a child than killing an adult is retarded. Let the player decide his/her own morals and norms please.
The protagonist is not able to kill or injure children.
However, children are not immortal.
My compromise would be simple (however, it should be noted that I haven't played the game, so I speak from a general game design principle, not a Skyrim related one)
As I understand it you are supposed to be a hero in Skyrim, and heroes don't kill children unless it is absolutely necessary. However, simply making children immortal is a crude solution.
What about animal attacks, bandit raids, other NPC murderers? If you find a village destroyed by a dragon, but the children are miraculously alive then it would break immersion. However, if you are supposed to be playing a hero, no matter how morally questionable, murdering children is a line that shouldn't be crossed.
It's not about children having the ability to die, it's about wanting to kill children. There is a difference there, and it doesn't seem to be one that gamers can understand. When you want children to be able to die as part of the gaming experience, that's fine. When you want the ability to kill children it's a little different.
However, children are not immortal.
My compromise would be simple (however, it should be noted that I haven't played the game, so I speak from a general game design principle, not a Skyrim related one)
As I understand it you are supposed to be a hero in Skyrim, and heroes don't kill children unless it is absolutely necessary. However, simply making children immortal is a crude solution.
What about animal attacks, bandit raids, other NPC murderers? If you find a village destroyed by a dragon, but the children are miraculously alive then it would break immersion. However, if you are supposed to be playing a hero, no matter how morally questionable, murdering children is a line that shouldn't be crossed.
It's not about children having the ability to die, it's about wanting to kill children. There is a difference there, and it doesn't seem to be one that gamers can understand. When you want children to be able to die as part of the gaming experience, that's fine. When you want the ability to kill children it's a little different.
And even if your character isn't a hero but a villain, what sort of villain would do that? A character who kill indiscriminatly for the giggles is, to me, not a very convincing villain but simply a dysfunctional madman. I doubt an assassin would waste time and draw attention to himself by killing people that doesn't matter for no real reason. Or that an aspiring warlock would kill of potential future underlings.
All the other immoral actions you can already commit in the game at least have a greater goal and agenda. When you aid the Thalmor and persecute innocent people for Talos-worship, you do so to further their agenda of Elven domination over the globe. Or when you kill for the Brotherhood, you follow through a contract and appease the god of your cult. At least it's commiting immoral acts towards a goal.
And honestly, what immersion is there remaining to be lost if you just kill random NPCs because you can?
All the other immoral actions you can already commit in the game at least have a greater goal and agenda. When you aid the Thalmor and persecute innocent people for Talos-worship, you do so to further their agenda of Elven domination over the globe. Or when you kill for the Brotherhood, you follow through a contract and appease the god of your cult. At least it's commiting immoral acts towards a goal.
And honestly, what immersion is there remaining to be lost if you just kill random NPCs because you can?
